Just for fun ....... if you could add two teams to each major conference (ACC, SEC, BIG, PAC, Big 12) based on CULTURAL fit only and with no regard to adding states (footprint), TV markets, etc., who would be your choice for each conference. For this scenario, assume that any school can be picked regardless of current conference, GOR, etc.. And don't worry about what each conference may end up looking like that you pick schools from.
My picks:
ACC: Kentucky, Vanderbilt
SEC: Clemson, Tie: Va Tech or FSU
BIG: Kansas, Missouri
Big 12: Texas A&M, Nebraska
PAC: Not a clue!!
ACC: Vanderbilt, South Carolina (Northwestern)
SEC: Florida State, Oklahoma
B1G: Missouri, Kansas (Iowa State)
Big 12: A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, Arkansas
PAC: I'm with you IR4CU....I can't think of a single one
(12-22-2013 04:09 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Just for fun ....... if you could add two teams to each major conference (ACC, SEC, BIG, PAC, Big 12) based on CULTURAL fit only and with no regard to adding states (footprint), TV markets, etc., who would be your choice for each conference. For this scenario, assume that any school can be picked regardless of current conference, GOR, etc.. And don't worry about what each conference may end up looking like that you pick schools from.
My picks:
ACC: Kentucky, Vanderbilt
SEC: Clemson, Tie: Va Tech or FSU
BIG: Kansas, Missouri
Big 12: Texas A&M, Nebraska
PAC: Not a clue!!
Kentucky in the ACC as a cultural fit?
I'd pick:
Big 10: Missouri, Cincinnati
SEC: Clemson, FSU
ACC: UConn, Baylor
PAC: Texas, Maryland
ACC - Vandy, Tulane
SEC - Clemson, Va Tech
B1G - Kansas, UConn
B12 - Arkansas, Nebraska
PAC - San Diego State, New Mexico?
Big Ten: Iowa State, Missouri. Alternate: Pitt
SEC: Clemson, Florida State
Alternate: Georgia Tech
ACC: MD (duh), Penn State
alternate: Rutgers
Pac-12: Hawaii, Nebraska
Alternate: Kansas
Big 12: Missouri, Nebraska
Alternate: Arkansas
ACC - Indiana, PSU
SEC - WVU, Louisville
B1G - Kansas, Missouri
B12 - Arkansas, Houston
Pac - BYU, BSU ( skip Religion debate) PAC already has Multi schools in most states so 2 from Utah not a factor.
(12-22-2013 06:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Kentucky in the ACC as a cultural fit?
I can see his argument: UK's strong basketball program in a conference with such names as Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Pitt, and Notre Dame.
As for me?
ACC: Maryland, Penn State
B1G: Kansas, Missouri
Big 12: Arkansas, Texas A&M
Pac: BYU and Boise
SEC: GA Tech and Clemson
(12-22-2013 06:13 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]ACC: Vanderbilt, South Carolina (Northwestern)
SEC: Florida State, Oklahoma
B1G: Missouri, Kansas (Iowa State)
Big 12: A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, Arkansas
PAC: I'm with you IR4CU....I can't think of a single one
Oddly enough, most of your picks had issues with the conference you want to place them in.
B1G turned down Mizzou so they could eventually take Rutgers.
BigXII (I mean UT) ran off all four of those teams
SEC: turned down FSU (Florida is blocking). Rumors were that OU was approached by the SEC but OU wanted to stay with Texas.
ACC: South Carolina was in the ACC, but left it after fighting with Clemson and the other ACC football schools over scholarship rules.
PAC: San Diego State is a very good fit (similar to Arizona State) and Texas (would be a perfect "cultural" fit).
B12: Memphis and BYU (good fit with the other religious institutions, particularly Baylor).
ACC: UConn and Cinci (good paring with UL). Villanova & Georgetown would also be a good.
SEC: NCSU and Clemson. Florida State and ECU would be good fits as well. WVU, on the other hand, does not fit "culturally" with the SEC.
B10: UVA and UNC. Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech would also be great pics.
If its pure cultural fit, my first pick for the Big Ten is AAU member Pitt ~ but obviously a zero-revenue school, so it only ever happens if there is a 15th so compelling that a non-revenue 16th is on the table.
ACC- (Maryland should have remained) Penn State, South Carolina
Big Ten - Kansas, (I don't know) Buffalo/Temple/Pittsburgh/Syracuse
SEC - Oklahoma, Texas
Pac 12 - Colorado State, BYU
Big XII - Houston, Tulane
(12-22-2013 09:56 PM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- (Maryland should have remained) Penn State, South Carolina
Big Ten - Kansas, (I don't know) Buffalo/Temple/Pittsburgh/Syracuse
SEC - Oklahoma, Texas
Pac 12 - Colorado State, BYU
Big XII - Houston, Tulane
Temple has nothing in common cultural wise with B10 schools and neither does Buffalo.
BYU fits geographically but is not culturally alike to PAC12 schools. In fact, it might be the most the biggest culture clash out there. Those schools in the PAC12 would never invite a faith based university (with the exception of Notre Dame).
(12-22-2013 10:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-22-2013 09:56 PM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- (Maryland should have remained) Penn State, South Carolina
Big Ten - Kansas, (I don't know) Buffalo/Temple/Pittsburgh/Syracuse
SEC - Oklahoma, Texas
Pac 12 - Colorado State, BYU
Big XII - Houston, Tulane
Temple has nothing in common cultural wise with B10 schools and neither does Buffalo.
BYU fits geographically but is not culturally alike to PAC12 schools. In fact, it might be the most the biggest culture clash out there. Those schools in the PAC12 would never invite a faith based university (with the exception of Notre Dame).
So definitive, you are.
For the record, Buffalo (or SUNY-Buffalo) is AAU and a large state university. Buffalo fits all the criteria for a school that the Big Ten would find of interest with the exception of athletic relevance.
Temple, while not AAU, is a large state university. Like Rutgers, Temple has ignored their athletic department into irrelevance.
Concerning BYU and the PAC 12- I recognize that BYU is not considered by the PAC 12. In the past, that may have changed if BYU would have more liberal with their athletic teams playing on Sunday. Religious or not, scheduling around a school is tough for any conference.
ACC: Texas and Oklahoma They like the Country Club and probably already know the membership secretary.
SEC: Choose from these four: Clemson, Florida State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame
These four all know what football is really about. Every Saturday it is a zealous/religious holy war and your entire existence for the week if not the year depends upon it. That is the cultural fit for the SEC. Don't worry about accent, academics, or geography, their fan bases all get it.
Big 10: Any team that favors a smash mouth defensive unit wearing black shoes and still has a power running game. Missouri does come close on the defensive side but is too finesse offensively to fit. I Think Stanford definitely qualifies and Syracuse looks the part. And if Delany could find his way to Utah and overlook the religious issues B.Y.U. plays their style of ball too.
PAC 12: They don't like the religious angle but Baylor plays a great brand of West Coast ball and would draw numbers against Arizona State and Oregon. Throw Oklahoma State and Houston into that mix too.
Big 12: Colorado State and B.Y.U. for the markets. A conference that has teams in the corn fields of Iowa, the Appalachian Mountains, West Texas, East Texas, the Native American and Cowboy influenced climes of Oklahoma, and includes the Plains wont have any difficulty adopting Mormons and the wine and cheese and grass culture of the Rockies. How do you say anyone is "not" a cultural fit for the Big 12.
(12-22-2013 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]ACC: South Carolina was in the ACC, but left it after fighting with Clemson and the other ACC football schools over scholarship rules.
They weren't fighting with Clemson, in fact Clemson just about left with them. Sadly our administration got cold feet at the last minute and we stayed.
Culturally Vanderbilt is as SEC as LSU.
(12-22-2013 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (12-22-2013 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]ACC: South Carolina was in the ACC, but left it after fighting with Clemson and the other ACC football schools over scholarship rules.
They weren't fighting with Clemson, in fact Clemson just about left with them. Sadly our administration got cold feet at the last minute and we stayed.
Kaplony you are dead right. Spurrier even said two years ago that he had no objection to Clemson in the SEC. Florida sponsored Florida State in 1992 when the Noles slipped off to the ACC at the last second. And for the record the "gentlemen's agreement" was a term that Slive used to address the presidents of the 12 SEC schools about additions #13 and #14. He asked that there be a gentlemen's agreement not to nominate schools within the existing footprint because the contract renegotiation clause would not be activated unless two new markets were acquired. He said that after additions #13 & #14 that the existing footprint restriction would be lifted and that the preference would be for those teams who added the most profit whether that was through additional markets or content by value of brand.
It was message board posters who cooked up the Georgia/Florida /Kentucky/South Carolina blockade of rivals theory. It has been repeated so many times now in so many locations that the concept has reached the status of myth. Maybe there are some schools that feel that way (Texas A&M), but Florida and South Carolina aren't among them. I don't know about Kentucky or Georgia. But no school is going to alienate representatives of their respective State Houses when a goodly portion of their budgets are derived from the same. That's simply bad business. And many of them are worried that if their rivals aren't included that scheduling them in the future would only become significantly more difficult as conferences grow. Most athletic budgets rely upon those instate rivals to spur donations. It's the networks that were unwilling to pay for the moves that really stopped efforts in that direction and their motives are wholly other.
To those saying A&M needs to go back to the B12...yeah no. The Big 12 is a cultural Frankenstein that never should have happened and we're far more SEC than we ever were B12.
My picks:
PAC: UT, Rice
ACC: UConn, Cincinatti
B12: Houston, BYU
SEC: Virginia Tech, NC State
B1G: Syracuse, Kansas
Geography not an obstacle.
My picks:
ACC: Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, Indiana, UConn
SEC: Clemson, Va Tech, FSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, OSU, Mich, PSU
BIG: Kansas, Missouri, Rutgers
Big 12: Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Houston, SMU
PAC: San Diego St, BC
Boston, the only place in the East with as many liberal smucks per capita as California.
ACC = big basketball
SEC = Big football no private schools sorry USC
B1G = UNC UVA and Duke are really not cultural fits.
Big 12 = The middle of the country and I want to play in Texas conference.
PAC = The left coast. UConn could fit in here too.