(07-12-2017 11:58 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote: (07-11-2017 09:12 PM)pesik Wrote: (07-11-2017 07:56 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote: I watched at least 8 full Houston games last season. I'm college basketball junkie. I saw both games against UC, I watched the UCONN game, I watched the LSU game, the UCONN AAC tourney game they lost in, I watched the SMU game as well and bits and pieces of others.
A person who looks at scoring only would think Gray Jr is your best player.
Who is better in the following stats (kenpom):
Offensive rating: Dotson (by a full 10 points)
Effective FG%: Dotson (who also shot more 3's) and 85th in the country
True SHooting %: Dotson
Off reb %: Dotson
Def Reb %: Dotson (2x Gray's)
Turnover Rate: Dotson
Literally the only thing Gray had on Dotson was scoring and getting fouled more. Dotson was a better rebounder, Better defender, Better Shooter and much more efficient player.
So I went through all of Houston's big AAC losses and wins and I found a pretty crazy pattern. When Gray was the leading scorer and Dotson had an Off game, Houston LOST. When Dotson was way on his game, Houston WON and usually was the Kenpom MVP of the game.
Win against Memphis: Dotson MVP 31 points
Win against UCONN: Dotson MVP
Loss against SMU: Gray leading scorer,
Win against UCF: Dotson MVP 31 points
Loss Against SMU: Dotson played near perfect but gray didn’t
Loss against UCF: Gray was leading scorer
Loss against memphis: gray was leading scorer
Loss Against UC: Gray was the leading scorer
Literally the only outlier in this group is the Loss to SMU, where Dotson played absolutely perfect and had a kenpom rating of 130 something but still lost (this tells me houston just couldn't beat SMU on any night, but neither could UC).
So what I see from this is that when Gray is the guy taking all the shots, Houston loses bigs games but when Dotson is playing the star role, they win.
Also I'll throw this last one in there too.
When Houston played Mid Major Akron in the tourney, Gray lead the team in scoring and shots taken and thus points scored. they lost too.
more or less you just watched the end of the season...when dotson took over...like i said dotson dominated for half a season...and thats when he had no choice as everyone figured out to focus on gray
Our best 2 wins of the season
vermont (29-6): gray had 20 pts 5 asts (leading scorer)
rhode island (top 25 most of the season, beat UC): rob had 30 points 5 assists 7rbs
--dotson barely produced any points in those games
this is why i mentioned selective stats..you chose a selection of games, not the full season, because you wanted to present bias...
When Gray was the leading scorer and Dotson had an Off game, Houston LOST. when Dotson was way on his game, Houston WON and usually was the Kenpom MVP of the game.
gray went 9 for 24 in the memphis lose you listed (an off game) and rimmed out on a shot to take it to overtime...the game was lost on gray being off not dotson...seeing how gray had a chance to win it in the end and shot at a low percentage
we beat uconn twice...the first time we beat them gray was the leading scorer and that was @ UConn ..why did you only mention one
your are the definiton of PURE BIAS!! You are a manipulator who twists stats to fit their narrative...
ps we lost to akron because akron had 300lb center who we didnt have the size to stop...gray and dotson both played great in that game....and both dont play center, so blaming that lose on either of them is stupid ..insinuating because gray scored 24 and Dotson only score 19 is why we lost is why you have lost ALL credibility with me....flip their points the outcome would have been the same...we were guard heavy Last season and didnt have the size to play a team like akron....
Haha dude I chose conference play. It’s hard for me to choose the non conference because outside a few games, the competition is weak.
The span of games I selected spanned the 3 months of conference play.
And the numbers show that when teams tried to shut down Dotson and they had success with it, then Houston lost. Gray was the leading scorer in A lot of losses.
I know this: when UC prepares for Houston, they keyed in on Dotson and held Houston to like 45 points. They let gray get his garbage buckets
Either way. Your clearly going to say every statistical fact I post is fake news so I quit. You win. Rob Gray is a winning player who is the greatest player in the conference and nba player Dotson sucks.
No need to lay out your case again, your right . Houston will win the league out right on the dominate big 4 of gray, Davis, vanbeck and Robinson. The the top 5 recruiting class coming in that will whoop the ass of all the established talent in the league.
In Sampson we trust.
thats not true at all!!!
in your UC game it was completely focused on gray...you put tall guards on him and regularly doubled him, that made it difficult to shoot. dotson was open most of the game...we literally discuss this in the gamethread on the houston forum how everyone was focusing on gray, that our only chance was for someone else to step up
here is your coach talking about how his focus on houston was rob gray
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/c.../96238792/
"As for Gray, Cronin said:
“He can score all three ways. Catch and shoot, score off the dribble attacking the basket, and get to the foul line. He can do all three, and he doesn’t need his teammates to get him open. He’s a true scorer in every sense of the word.”
“You’ve got to think back to when SK was a senior for us, could we have won a game without him in the conference?” Cronin said. {referencing his importance for houston}
it was obvious the game plan was to stop rob....you make up complete BS..did you even watch the game!!!! rob wasnt even able to score till the game was out of reach becuase he was doubled every play till it WAS decided
you dont speak fact at all...rhode island beat you but they are not good now????..
you insinuated a 6rb per game and top 10 defensive rating player in the league for ucf whoo was a starter was a meaningless warm body... and second player who had 13 double digit games for ucf who was a starter was a meaningless warm body, but tried to hype up the lose of our 9th player of the bench because he led the team in blocks....what nonsense
you have no clue about basketball..you see what you want to see and manipulate the data to prove your point...
you are so biased it blows my mind..why not just use the best games FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (and ignore the weak ones)..oh wait that proves gray is good..instead let me just use the good conference games...BIAS!! FAKE NEWS!!! LOL
i never said rob gray was the greatest player ever, just the best on our team last year..
i didnt say he was the most winning player ever, just that he is a winner everywhere he has been (clearly talking record)
i didnt say dot was bad, i said we are a dramatically deeper team than last year in all positions, we can replace his production with a combination of multiple players
nothing i said was outlandish, even a little, i never even said we were winning the league and had us at #4..my coach and your coach have said everything i said
You say crazy nonsense , and then twisted my words like i was the one saying nonsense ..it mind boggling how manipulative you are