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College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
Sorry, meant to say white quarterback. You can all calm down now.
Quote:Switzer:
I've always said I'd never recruit a white quarterback. The only way I'd ever recruit a white quarterback to play for me was if his mom and daddy would have to both be black, and that's the only way I would do it."
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
Wow. Even if you aren't a fan of the traditional drop back style, you wouldn't want Manziel?
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
A white QB for the Sooners looked pretty good against the Criminal Tide last month.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
Yep my bad.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
The funny thing is there are really only a few truly effective dual threat guys every year (super-talents like Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton, Jamis Winston etc.) and everyone is recruiting them. The average dual threat QB tends to be useless. This is why ODU has been successful so quickly offensively. Our QB broke all kinds of HS records and nobody wanted him because he is a drop back guy at 6 feet. Now we have a 4-star drop back guy coming in.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is funny because after Switzer left Nebraska, they had a couple white guys, Eric Crouch and Scott Frost
that were more than capable as running QBs. Switzer's assumption that you won't go wrong with the
black guy so just recruit them isn't always the right model. But virtually every college program does this
which is why you can't find a white RB very often, they get moved to FB or LB.
But this is very much a racist point of view for Barry. Not offended though.
...what's really funny is he coached at OU
This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 07:51 AM)stinkfist Wrote: ...what's really funny is he coached at OU
This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote: This. But he also ran a wishbone option. Which means that you essentially have a RB at QB. You don't see many great white RBs. Still a racist comment. That being said, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow, any Navy QB would have fit well into his system.
Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
Switzer...LOL
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.
Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only three successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
Yes, for some reason black QB's can do great in college, but they don't last long in the NFL... I mean, look at Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:21 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only three successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
Yes, for some reason black QB's can do great in college, but they don't last long in the NFL... I mean, look at Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell.
Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell fell into the, "he has a strong arm and he can run" category, which doesn't make a good pro-QB. Russell had zero work ethic and Vince Young didn't have anything in-between the ears.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.
Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.
Under Pat Dye...ECU had a white wishbone QB....Mike Weaver. He was BTW damn good. Best I ever saw at holding the ball until the last second on the pitch. He also rarely turned it over. Switzer would have been very impressed with him.
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RE: College coach would never recruit a black quarterback
(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote: Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.
I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.
But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...
Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.
Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.
Good call. Garrard was at least as good in the NFL. Leftwich was better in college IMO. Of course throwing to Randy Moss didn't hurt,
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