Quote:A Democrat-backed study meant to expose illicit online gun sales instead seemed to show the opposite -- with hardly any sellers taking the bait when undercover investigators tried to set up dozens of illegal firearm transactions.

Quote:Over the course of the two-and-a-half year investigation, agents tried to buy firearms illegally on the “Surface Web” and the “Dark Web,” generally by sharing their status as “prohibited individuals” or trying to buy across state lines.

But the GAO revealed that their 72 attempts outside of the dark web were all “unsuccessful.”

Quote:On the dark web, GAO agents successfully purchased two guns illegally, as the serial numbers on the weapons were “obliterated” and “shipped across state lines.” But in the attempt to purchase, the GAO agents “did not disclose any information indicating they were prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

Quote:The National Rifle Association seized on the report to claim that online sales are in fact regulated, calling the study an "embarrassment" for the gun control lobby.

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Quote:“Private sellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited from possessing a firearm,

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

(01-08-2018 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Why would anyone expect this to replicate a real-world scenario? If the potential buyers knew they weren't allowed to buy them, they would have lied, not told the truth.

(01-08-2018 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

What part of "what I have heard" don't you understand?

(01-08-2018 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:“Private sellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited from possessing a firearm,

Really...the premise is that buyers are going online and telling the sellers they aren't allowed to buy guns...but then expecting to actually still buy them?

Why would anyone expect this to replicate a real-world scenario? If the potential buyers knew they weren't allowed to buy them, they would have lied, not told the truth. Or they simply would have looked elsewhere.

So bottom line, this study was worthless and a waste of time and money. It was never going to prove anything illegal.

(01-08-2018 03:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

What part of "what I have heard" don't you understand?

so your answer to both is 0

(01-08-2018 04:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

What part of "what I have heard" don't you understand?

so your answer to both is 0

That's right. I have never attended a gun show or attempted to purchase a gun illegally.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

(01-08-2018 04:12 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

What part of "what I have heard" don't you understand?

so your answer to both is 0

That's right. I have never attended a gun show or attempted to purchase a gun illegally.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

how do you feel about voter fraud? I mean, you've never committed it and never seen it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Correct?

I'm sure you'll reply to "stay on topic" but I'm just trying to understand how you left wing kooks do the mental gymnastics you do jumping back & forth from one side to the other depending on topic.

(01-08-2018 04:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No lets stay on topic. How often does voter fraud occur and how often does illegal guns get bought and sold and what are the consequences of each?

(01-08-2018 04:22 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No lets stay on topic. How often does voter fraud occur and how often does illegal guns get bought and sold and what are the consequences of each?

according to liberals, voter fraud doesn't exist and gun show purchases are rampant.

(01-08-2018 04:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No lets stay on topic. How often does voter fraud occur

Quote:
and how often does illegal guns get bought and sold and what are the consequences of each?

(01-08-2018 04:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

What part of "what I have heard" don't you understand?

so your answer to both is 0

That's right. I have never attended a gun show or attempted to purchase a gun illegally.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

(01-08-2018 04:22 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No lets stay on topic. How often does voter fraud occur and how often does illegal guns get bought and sold and what are the consequences of each?

according to liberals, voter fraud doesn't exist...

(01-08-2018 04:06 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:“Private sellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited from possessing a firearm,

Really...the premise is that buyers are going online and telling the sellers they aren't allowed to buy guns...but then expecting to actually still buy them?

Why would anyone expect this to replicate a real-world scenario? If the potential buyers knew they weren't allowed to buy them, they would have lied, not told the truth. Or they simply would have looked elsewhere.

So bottom line, this study was worthless and a waste of time and money. It was never going to prove anything illegal.

Ask the Dems. It was at their request.

(01-08-2018 03:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never heard any one say that the trouble with guns are online sales.

What I HAVE heard is the "gun show loop hole".

Just out of curiosity-

1) how many gun shows have you attended?
2) how many guns did you attempt to purchase at a show?

Quote:Omar Mateen, the Orlando mass shooter, used semi-automatic weapons. So did the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, the San Bernardino killers, and at least 70 percent of shooters listed in a database of all mass shootings in America since 1982 compiled by Mother Jones.

Our data analysis shows that semiautomatic weapons comprised at least 1 in 4 firearms listed on Armslist in the days following the Orlando shootings.

Those shooters acquired their firearms in a variety of ways, and there's no evidence that any of them used Armslist. But this site, and others like it, are coming under increased scrutiny by law enforcement, gun control advocates, and researchers as debate over access to these kinds of weapons heats up.

In October, New York City's Department of Consumer Affairs subpoenaed Armslist for transaction and advertising records. "Through this investigation into Armslist, DCA is stepping up and doing its part to keep our city safer for every New Yorker — civilians and officers alike," NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio said at the time.

Quote:The changes are particularly meant for online gun merchants, who often avoid conducting background checks despite making high-volume gun sales through websites like armslist.com.

“Right now it’s really an Internet loophole,” Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch said Monday. “Gun sales are moving online.”

Quote:The problem is some gun sellers have been operating under a different set of rules. A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked.

Quote:Senate Democrats plan to unveil a list of gun control principles on Thursday that they plan to use as the foundation for sweeping gun control legislation.

The three-part proposal — spearheaded by Senate Democratic Policy and Communications Center Chairman Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) — includes closing background check loopholes for Internet and gun show sales, expanding the background check database and cracking down on the illegal gun market, according to a letter to Senate colleagues obtained by The Washington Post.