(11-11-2017 02:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  1-8... two years in a row. Fun times.

(11-11-2017 05:37 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  1-8... two years in a row. Fun times.

Are we still supposed to be hating the coaches and hailing the seniors? Or can we put some blame on the seniors now?

(11-11-2017 05:37 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  1-8... two years in a row. Fun times.

Are we still supposed to be hating the coaches and hailing the seniors? Or can we put some blame on the seniors now?

(11-11-2017 05:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 05:37 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  1-8... two years in a row. Fun times.

Are we still supposed to be hating the coaches and hailing the seniors? Or can we put some blame on the seniors now?

Only if you think they're doing it on purpose/capable of more and yet choosing not to do so/haven't earned their scholarships.

I say that different from the coaches in that coaches are paid professionals and they chose the players. If the players simply aren't good enough, then the coaches did a poor job of teaching or evaluation. If the players aren't earning their scholarships in terms of their effort, then being a 'good guy' who 'gets rice' has worked against us.

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

(11-11-2017 09:54 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

To me, that screams a lack of accountability from the coaches.

The problem is the culture in the program. First task for the new coach is eliminating this "anything goes" country club atmosphere that seems to permeate the program.

17-21 year olds are kids. Heck, when we were in college we did whatever we could get away with.

(11-11-2017 10:12 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:54 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

To me, that screams a lack of accountability from the coaches.

The problem is the culture in the program. First task for the new coach is eliminating this "anything goes" country club atmosphere that seems to permeate the program.

17-21 year olds are kids. Heck, when we were in college we did whatever we could get away with.

That said, IMO, it's when there is clear leadership in the locker room, with one voice, that the rest of the team is willing to listen to, that a team finally can rise up and do more. Question all you want about how much of an all-time team the 2013 team might have been, they don't get anywhere near that championship without the offensive and defensive leaders emerging after that horrible start to 2012. And probably same with the leaders emerging in 2007 to be more competitive by the end of the season and to lead into that 2008 campaign.

To me, it's the one thing that I can see lacking on the field and sideline the last few years. It's never seemed like a cohesive team. Coaches can certainly try to foster it all they want, but in the end, a hard-ass doesn't work if no one wants to listen to him, either.

For starters, musical QB chairs almost never help that leadership emerge.

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

(11-11-2017 11:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

I wasn't there, but there's no way.

(11-11-2017 10:22 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 10:12 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:54 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

To me, that screams a lack of accountability from the coaches.

The problem is the culture in the program. First task for the new coach is eliminating this "anything goes" country club atmosphere that seems to permeate the program.

17-21 year olds are kids. Heck, when we were in college we did whatever we could get away with.

That said, IMO, it's when there is clear leadership in the locker room, with one voice, that the rest of the team is willing to listen to, that a team finally can rise up and do more. Question all you want about how much of an all-time team the 2013 team might have been, they don't get anywhere near that championship without the offensive and defensive leaders emerging after that horrible start to 2012. And probably same with the leaders emerging in 2007 to be more competitive by the end of the season and to lead into that 2008 campaign.

To me, it's the one thing that I can see lacking on the field and sideline the last few years. It's never seemed like a cohesive team. Coaches can certainly try to foster it all they want, but in the end, a hard-ass doesn't work if no one wants to listen to him, either.

For starters, musical QB chairs almost never help that leadership emerge.

Part of that problem, as you allude to in your last sentence, is the lack of a clear offensive leader. In 2007 and 2012 we had guys under center who were solid under center and able to lead by example.

Right now we don't have a guy who is capable of being an offensive example, someone who the team can follow. Glaesmann and Tyner haven't gotten it done and Smalls is a freshman. So there is no one who can stand up and lead.

I focus on offense as a leader for two reasons 1. the QB is key 2. Rice defense has been a dumpster fire under Bailiff, without exception; we had 2 NFL starters in the backfield and managed a bottom half defense.

(11-11-2017 11:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

I wasn't there, but there's no way.

(11-11-2017 11:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 11:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

I wasn't there, but there's no way.

Right. Let me tell that to the Rice fan in front of me who yelled “show some heart” to the bench, which resulted in a current player flipping him off.

(11-11-2017 11:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 11:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 09:44 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I sat ten rows behind the Rice bench in Australia. The players gave up in the first quarter and were half assing it most of the game. Zero heart.

I wasn't there, but there's no way.

Right. Let me tell that to the Rice fan in front of me who yelled “show some heart” to the bench, which resulted in a current player flipping him off.

(11-11-2017 05:43 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 05:37 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  1-8... two years in a row. Fun times.

Are we still supposed to be hating the coaches and hailing the seniors? Or can we put some blame on the seniors now?

I find it hard to point fingers at a group of 21 year olds.

This comes down squarely on the highly paid adults who have failed to get the seniors capable and ready.