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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - NoDak - 06-15-2017 06:36 PM
(06-15-2017 06:27 PM)Old Blue Wrote: The only thing I know about CSU is, they seem to be very poor. If you are very poor you don't spend money on extraneous expenses, like Div. 1 athletics. If you are very poor you focus on academics and stuff like paying the light bill. To sum it up, Very poor no Div. 1 athletics. That is all.
Alcorn St and Mississippi Valley St have remarkably low resources, but they even offer football. Think Chicago St is very shoddy managed, but having no endowment shouldn't be a criteria for DI.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Old Blue - 06-15-2017 07:11 PM
(06-15-2017 06:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:I thought I read somewhere that CSU was having trouble providing hot water for their students to bathe in. Like I said very very poor. Nothing to be ashamed of not having an athletic program. After all it's a luxury and not a necessity. MVS produced Jerry Rice, so all is forgiven there.(06-15-2017 06:27 PM)Old Blue Wrote: The only thing I know about CSU is, they seem to be very poor. If you are very poor you don't spend money on extraneous expenses, like Div. 1 athletics. If you are very poor you focus on academics and stuff like paying the light bill. To sum it up, Very poor no Div. 1 athletics. That is all.
Alcorn St and Mississippi Valley St have remarkably low resources, but they even offer football. Think Chicago St is very shoddy managed, but having no endowment shouldn't be a criteria for DI.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - johnbragg - 06-15-2017 08:20 PM
(06-15-2017 06:27 PM)Old Blue Wrote: The only thing I know about CSU is, they seem to be very poor. If you are very poor you don't spend money on extraneous expenses, like Div. 1 athletics. If you are very poor you focus on academics and stuff like paying the light bill. To sum it up, Very poor no Div. 1 athletics. That is all.
Except that athletics is part of the reason for the school to continue to exist.
They only had 86 freshmen enroll this year. A good chunk of those are athletes, who probably aren't going to Chicago State if they're not recruited by those coaches. They're either going to a better school (they can't go to a worse one), or just not going to college.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Fighting Muskie - 06-15-2017 08:25 PM
If Chicago St's only reason to be in existence is to enroll athletes whose scholarships are provided by the university (in reality, Illinois tax payers) the school needs shut down and its funding used to keep WIU and EIU going.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - johnbragg - 06-15-2017 08:30 PM
(06-15-2017 08:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: If Chicago St's only reason to be in existence is to enroll athletes whose scholarships are provided by the university (in reality, Illinois tax payers) the school needs shut down and its funding used to keep WIU and EIU going.
To be clear, a lot of athletes aren't on full or even partial athletic scholarships. But I suspect that 20-30 of those 80 freshmen are only going to Chicago State because at CSU they can be on the track team or women's hockey or whatever.
The school probably needs to be shut down, in my opinion. Nobody's asking me, and rightly so--I'm pretty far from the situation.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - MplsBison - 06-16-2017 08:04 AM
I think downsizing the athletic dept (both in terms of number of sports and total dollars spent) would be a wise first move, and hopefully they can get accepted into the Chicago-area NAIA conference that Stugray mentioned.
That's what I'd like to see, at first. Then go from there.
Chicago St will not be in the WAC moving forward. That is all but set in stone. Actually, what are they waiting for to make the announcement??
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - chargeradio - 06-16-2017 09:34 AM
CSU is still contracted for another year in the WAC, so any announcement won't be made until Spring 2018.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - MplsBison - 06-16-2017 10:00 AM
Ah, thanks.
2017 is their last year in the WAC. No possible way that isn't true.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Stugray2 - 06-16-2017 11:05 AM
Chicago State's contract is through the 2017-18 season. It ends June 30th, 2018
37 of 86 Freshmen played on Sports teams.
Scholarship athletes cost considerably more than general students. AT Chicago State the average male athlete in 2014-15 cost $11,308 and female $18,419. This compares to the average student getting $6,934 in aid for $9,032 tuition.
I included the above to explode the myth that Athletes can help the bottom line. The donations and gate numbers are effectively zero.
For 2015 Chicago State's income
Ticket sales $15,434
Donations $0
All rights $140,716
Other $460,219
// "other" includes things like WAC distributions, guarantees for some road games
Student fees $1,280,820 (this works out to over $350 per student)
The school kicks in the rest, which in 2015 was about $1200 per student enrolled (on paper, rumored to be half that in reality).
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - C2__ - 06-16-2017 04:27 PM
Donations=0 ?
That's hard to do. Sounds like they have no alumni support, time to throw in the towel.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Fighting Muskie - 06-16-2017 05:03 PM
(06-16-2017 11:05 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: Chicago State's contract is through the 2017-18 season. It ends June 30th, 2018
37 of 86 Freshmen played on Sports teams.
Scholarship athletes cost considerably more than general students. AT Chicago State the average male athlete in 2014-15 cost $11,308 and female $18,419. This compares to the average student getting $6,934 in aid for $9,032 tuition.
I included the above to explode the myth that Athletes can help the bottom line. The donations and gate numbers are effectively zero.
For 2015 Chicago State's income
Ticket sales $15,434
Donations $0
All rights $140,716
Other $460,219
// "other" includes things like WAC distributions, guarantees for some road games
Student fees $1,280,820 (this works out to over $350 per student)
The school kicks in the rest, which in 2015 was about $1200 per student enrolled (on paper, rumored to be half that in reality).
I'm inclined to send them a dime in the mail so that I can claim to be the athletics depts biggest donor.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - The Cutter of Bish - 06-16-2017 05:10 PM
(06-16-2017 05:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(06-16-2017 11:05 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: Chicago State's contract is through the 2017-18 season. It ends June 30th, 2018
37 of 86 Freshmen played on Sports teams.
Scholarship athletes cost considerably more than general students. AT Chicago State the average male athlete in 2014-15 cost $11,308 and female $18,419. This compares to the average student getting $6,934 in aid for $9,032 tuition.
I included the above to explode the myth that Athletes can help the bottom line. The donations and gate numbers are effectively zero.
For 2015 Chicago State's income
Ticket sales $15,434
Donations $0
All rights $140,716
Other $460,219
// "other" includes things like WAC distributions, guarantees for some road games
Student fees $1,280,820 (this works out to over $350 per student)
The school kicks in the rest, which in 2015 was about $1200 per student enrolled (on paper, rumored to be half that in reality).
I'm inclined to send them a dime in the mail so that I can claim to be the athletics depts biggest donor.
Well, look at moneybags over here!
It's been stated that it's bad; numbers like that are criminal.
Geez, shut that **** place down.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - teamvsn - 06-16-2017 06:38 PM
(06-16-2017 11:05 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: Scholarship athletes cost considerably more than general students. AT Chicago State the average male athlete in 2014-15 cost $11,308 and female $18,419. This compares to the average student getting $6,934 in aid for $9,032 tuition.
Where do you get your "cost" figures?
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - SoCalBobcat78 - 06-17-2017 07:47 PM
(06-16-2017 09:34 AM)chargeradio Wrote: CSU is still contracted for another year in the WAC, so any announcement won't be made until Spring 2018.
It is a five year commitment. It is not really a contract. Chicago State had to pay a $450,000 entry fee to join the WAC and there was a five year commitment. Neither the WAC nor Chicago State have given any indication that the relationship is ending and it will like likely roll over, like it will for every other school. The WAC is in no position to ask any school to leave.
Chicago State has new leadership, but the new leadership can't move forward without a state budget. The state budget crisis has cost them about $40 million over the past two years in funding. This is to happening to all public schools in Illinois.
Chicago State has had zero APR penalties since joining the WAC. They are hurting the WAC with their RPI in basketball, but they are not the worst D1 school in Illinois. That honor would belong to either Western Illinois or SIUE. Chicago State had an RPI of 318 last season, Western Illinois 325 and SIUE 334. Chicago State swept a home-and-home from WIU the past two seasons. They also beat WIU in average attendance last season, 1,046 to 777.
For revenue, Chicago State got about $500,000 from money games in basketball from 2015-2016. Add their cut from the NCAA Tournament revenue of at least $250,000 and it is not hard to see why they would not want to drop down. Also, they have a ten year old 7,000 seat arena that was built and paid for by the State of Illinois, the Jones Convocation Center. They are not dropping down from D1.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Stugray2 - 06-17-2017 09:52 PM
Chicago State has not paid for the last year. They are delinquent
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - SoCalBobcat78 - 06-17-2017 11:28 PM
(06-17-2017 09:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: Chicago State has not paid for the last year. They are delinquent
Paid what?
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Stugray2 - 06-18-2017 12:16 AM
For those who don't know, this is the FOIA document that started it
Athletics: We are in our third year of a five year contract with the WAC. Next year, the university will need to discuss moving forward with conference. Athletics requests are part of the contract, Tennis needs an assistant coach, would like lights for the courts, night time play. Soccer fields needs to be built and basketball court needs floor replacement for safety. WAC requirement calls for a Director of Basketball, a Head Coach for Men’s Soccer, and the renovation of the outdoor track; our facility does not currently meet WAC requirements. Coaches total cost is $100,000 total; this is our are #1 priority. Currently, we are Division 1, we may want to study the benefits of being Division 1 or another division.
csu.edu/financialaffairs/ubc/documents/minutes_Apr26_2016.pdf
Despite multiple requests to clarify CSU's status since, Jeff Hurd has been noncommittal since then. Here was the first attempt to get an answer in 2016 by a Las Cruces reporter
https://twitter.com/mrudi19/status/708472879411646464
He was equally noncommittal and vague to a NYT reporter 6 months later. And all requests for clarification since have not been answered. Of the record either he or a member of his staff told the NYT reporter that CSU was not in compliance with their WAC contract on several issues from staffing to safety.
Hurd gave very different, effusive and complete answers about how UT-RGV has passed it's contract term in flying colors, giving praise and saying how everyone in the league was impressed at how far they have come. It is very clear the non comments from Hurd speak loudly about the less than secure state of Chicago State in the WAC. But the league has to play it out for another year before Cal Baptist comes on board. So do not expect a direct answer until Spring next year.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - SDHornet - 06-18-2017 02:31 AM
I think Chicago State athletics at the D1 level will be done soon. Fortunately the WAC landed a new member in SoCal (CBU) that will likely lead to landing another SoCal member within the next decade (APU). The WAC can rid itself of Chicago State and be just fine...
...however that would really put UMKC on an island but they have nowhere else to go so...meh.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - Fighting Muskie - 06-18-2017 08:54 AM
(06-16-2017 05:10 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(06-16-2017 05:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(06-16-2017 11:05 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: Chicago State's contract is through the 2017-18 season. It ends June 30th, 2018
37 of 86 Freshmen played on Sports teams.
Scholarship athletes cost considerably more than general students. AT Chicago State the average male athlete in 2014-15 cost $11,308 and female $18,419. This compares to the average student getting $6,934 in aid for $9,032 tuition.
I included the above to explode the myth that Athletes can help the bottom line. The donations and gate numbers are effectively zero.
For 2015 Chicago State's income
Ticket sales $15,434
Donations $0
All rights $140,716
Other $460,219
// "other" includes things like WAC distributions, guarantees for some road games
Student fees $1,280,820 (this works out to over $350 per student)
The school kicks in the rest, which in 2015 was about $1200 per student enrolled (on paper, rumored to be half that in reality).
I'm inclined to send them a dime in the mail so that I can claim to be the athletics depts biggest donor.
Well, look at moneybags over here!
It's been stated that it's bad; numbers like that are criminal.
Geez, shut that **** place down.
I don't want to be too generous to Chicago St--I have a daughter on the way so I have to start saving up to make sure she doesn't end up at Chicago St but considering what a wreck the place is I don't see it still being in business in 18 years.
RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1? - MplsBison - 06-18-2017 09:37 AM
(06-18-2017 02:31 AM)SDHornet Wrote: I think Chicago State athletics at the D1 level will be done soon. Fortunately the WAC landed a new member in SoCal (CBU) that will likely lead to landing another SoCal member within the next decade (APU). The WAC can rid itself of Chicago State and be just fine...
...however that would really put UMKC on an island but they have nowhere else to go so...meh.
Sure they do, back to the Summit.