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Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
As I was looking at some college conference baseball standings I saw that Chicago St is 11-36. I then looked at their basketball and other athletics records this year:

Women's Basketball: 0-29
Men's Basketball 6-26
Soccer 1-16
Volleyball: 3-26

It just has me wondering if they continue on? Do they gets fans to their games? Will they be in the WAC next year?
05-13-2017 10:23 PM
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Next year is probably the last lap for Chicago State. Their contract with the WAC will not be renewed.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-13-2017 10:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Next year is probably the last lap for Chicago State. Their contract with the WAC will not be renewed.

Is that something that's been planned? Will the WAC kick them out? Can they?
05-13-2017 10:32 PM
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-13-2017 10:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 10:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Next year is probably the last lap for Chicago State. Their contract with the WAC will not be renewed.

Is that something that's been planned? Will the WAC kick them out? Can they?

Conference memberships are not normally on a contract basis, but in this case Chicago St only has next year left and then needs a renewal. With GCU getting fully DI this summer, the WAC will have enough full DI members to not renew them assuming that no one else leaves.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
I suspect not. A new Administration is taking over, and every unnecessary expense is getting axed (e.g., the 2nd campus). The reformers will soon have all the leverage and overwhelming board support they need when Rauner appoints replacements for Vallas (now the Chief Administrator) and Zollar, who resigned after failing to block Lindsey and Vallas, and along with Hatch, one of the two most intransigent unrepentant Wayne Watson supporters on the board.

After 2017-18, Chicago State will no longer have a D-I conference, as their contract will have run out. They failed to meet most of terms required by the WAC for membership, including staffing level minimums and major safety issues for D-I facilities. With Cal Baptist starting the WAC will no longer have need of Chicago State either.

Back to the basics, Chicago State never came close to the budget levels the WAC demanded, and are below 50% of that. Basically they are funded at below average D-II level. This funding comes almost 100% from tuition, meaning it is all institutional money. Donations and gate are close to zero. Given that they wont have a conference, and it is extremely unlikely the funding flood gates will open -and even if they did they would not be for athletics- rather the school is going to have to grind it's way out of it's present condition (at least the right leadership to do that is taking shape).

I wont go so far as to say they will drop down, but the math strongly points to Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (CCAC) as the best match. Similar sized schools -including Governors State-, with similar budgets, all within a couple hours of Chicago. It's NAIA except Basketball which is D-II. The same budget would go much farther, as travel costs would be almost eliminated.

We shall see what they do. The WAC is looking at California (other schools than UCSD), and that door appears closed. I just don't any options for Chicago State in D-I.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-13-2017 10:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  As I was looking at some college conference baseball standings I saw that Chicago St is 11-36. I then looked at their basketball and other athletics records this year:

Women's Basketball: 0-29
Men's Basketball 6-26
Soccer 1-16
Volleyball: 3-26

It just has me wondering if they continue on? Do they gets fans to their games? Will they be in the WAC next year?

They don't get fans to come as many of their students are older commuter age and they haven't won in forever. Why would any Chicago resident go? They have a rather new arena though courtesy of the Illinois legislature.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Chicago State is in the fourth year of a five-year contract with the WAC. The WAC needed teams, and Chicago State needed a conference. This is not a permanent membership like most schools obtain.

However, things have become worse for Chicago State. I'd be shocked if they were in the WAC after the 2017-2018 school year.

The state budget crisis and sharp enrollment decrease at Chicago State has been documented. The school is barely staying alive.

I came across another message board thread discussing the Chicago State situation:

http://www.scout.com/sports/college/cfn/...ath-spiral

They are doing well to offer classes at this point. They have no business trying to run a Division I athletic program.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
UMKC almost certainly leaves the WAC after next year. Their AD has been quoted about the need for geographic rivals and lower expenses. WAC needs Chi St.

Chicago St's arena is very unique. I don't think there's a D1 venue like it. Great sightlines to watch a game. Only a few hundred show up. Very accessible. South siders missing a hidden gem.
05-14-2017 01:31 AM
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(05-13-2017 10:57 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Chicago State is in the fourth year of a five-year contract with the WAC. The WAC needed teams, and Chicago State needed a conference. This is not a permanent membership like most schools obtain.

However, things have become worse for Chicago State. I'd be shocked if they were in the WAC after the 2017-2018 school year.

The state budget crisis and sharp enrollment decrease at Chicago State has been documented. The school is barely staying alive.

I came across another message board thread discussing the Chicago State situation:

http://www.scout.com/sports/college/cfn/...ath-spiral

They are doing well to offer classes at this point. They have no business trying to run a Division I athletic program.

They've been nothing except technically a D-I sports program for decades now. They honestly should have applied for membership in the SWAC or MEAC. As a matter of fact, that may be their last hope of staying D-I.
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