(11-22-2016 01:56 PM)50Cent Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/TomGroeschenQuotes

He wants to be an AD next. -- Maybe we replace Bohn with Tubs.

Still clings to program in best shape ever -- most ridiculous statement ever

He didn't come here to move on to the pros or another coaching job. -- who would take him??!! Please?!!

Says Bohn understands what he (Tubs) is doing -- help us!

Offered 21 local guys last year. -- and got 1. This is one reason to fire him...has been a major fail. I thought recruiting was about closing not offering.

We are building it the right way --

70 freshman or sophomore on roster -- I mean I'm not sure that is terribly different from other programs. That's 3 classes with red shirts. I just don't know that there is a ton of talent in that group.

(11-22-2016 01:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  somebody needs to show tubs the speech from glengarry ross; abc--- always be closing.

Quote:Offered 21 local guys last year. -- and got 1. This is one reason to fire him...has been a major fail. I thought recruiting was about closing not offering.

Quote:Upon Tuberville's arrival, controversy arose from allegations that the new Cincinnati staff wouldn't honor the commitments of any recruits in the 2013 class that had been landed by Jones' staff. Specifically, quarterback Kyle Kempt of powerhouse Massillon Washington. As detailed by Friday Night Ohio, head coach Jason Hall stated that Kempt assumed he'd follow Jones to Tennessee, having actually committed to UC over the Volunteers earlier in the season. When Tennessee offered another quarterback, Hall alleges that Kempt wasn't allowed to "fall back" on his commitment to Cincinnati, and because of that, Tuberville's staff would not be welcomed at Washington High School.

Hall did not respond to multiple interview requests. Tuberville cited NCAA recruiting guidelines in not commenting specifically about Kempt and Washington High.

Of the 15 players committed under Jones, four signed with Cincinnati. Kempt ultimately signed with Oregon State, but some believe that regardless of the specific timeline of events, Tuberville has damage to undo.

"He burned a lot of bridges quickly," said Josh Helmholdt, Rivals' midwest recruiting analyst. "The toughest part of recruiting isn't so much the end but the beginning, the initial building of relationships. It's about getting respect from the high school programs and starting the process off right. When a new head coach comes in, in some ways that program speaks for itself, and they're able to build upon that with the area high school coaches. There was a strong foundation laid by Kelly and Jones, and now he's going to have to play catch-up to get to where they used to be."

(11-23-2016 08:59 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Sigh, making me stick up for TT.....People always point to that example, but Massillon is in no way local. If he signed a kid from 3.5-4 hours away we would give him 0 credit for "signing a local kid" so it's not very fair to use that as why he's bad locally.

Pretty much every one of the Indiana kids he's been recruiting are closer than Massillon.

(11-23-2016 12:15 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(11-23-2016 08:59 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Sigh, making me stick up for TT.....People always point to that example, but Massillon is in no way local. If he signed a kid from 3.5-4 hours away we would give him 0 credit for "signing a local kid" so it's not very fair to use that as why he's bad locally.

Pretty much every one of the Indiana kids he's been recruiting are closer than Massillon.

You make a fair point, but UC will not achieve consistent long-term success unless non-5* kids from Massillon, Youngstown, Cleveland, Akron and Canton see UC as a viable alternative to Ohio $tate rather than opting for Pitt, WVU, Louisville and Toledo.

(11-22-2016 01:56 PM)50Cent Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/TomGroeschenQuotes

He wants to be an AD next. -- Maybe we replace Bohn with Tubs.

Still clings to program in best shape ever -- most ridiculous statement ever

He didn't come here to move on to the pros or another coaching job. -- who would take him??!! Please?!!

Says Bohn understands what he (Tubs) is doing -- help us!

Offered 21 local guys last year. -- and got 1. This is one reason to fire him...has been a major fail. I thought recruiting was about closing not offering.

We are building it the right way --

70 freshman or sophomore on roster -- I mean I'm not sure that is terribly different from other programs. That's 3 classes with red shirts. I just don't know that there is a ton of talent in that group.

(11-23-2016 01:06 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Surprised he doesn't want to be the next President of the University...

(11-22-2016 02:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I could understand the youth argument but there simply has been no improvement with this group. If anything the second half of the season has demonstrated regression, a lack of toughness and a team that is not motivated to play for its coaches. As the head coach that falls on TT.

(11-23-2016 01:06 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 01:56 PM)50Cent Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/TomGroeschenQuotes

He wants to be an AD next. -- Maybe we replace Bohn with Tubs.

Still clings to program in best shape ever -- most ridiculous statement ever

He didn't come here to move on to the pros or another coaching job. -- who would take him??!! Please?!!

Says Bohn understands what he (Tubs) is doing -- help us!

Offered 21 local guys last year. -- and got 1. This is one reason to fire him...has been a major fail. I thought recruiting was about closing not offering.

We are building it the right way --

70 freshman or sophomore on roster -- I mean I'm not sure that is terribly different from other programs. That's 3 classes with red shirts. I just don't know that there is a ton of talent in that group.

Surprised he doesn't want to be the next President of the University...

(11-23-2016 02:01 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 02:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I could understand the youth argument but there simply has been no improvement with this group. If anything the second half of the season has demonstrated regression, a lack of toughness and a team that is not motivated to play for its coaches. As the head coach that falls on TT.

I think there may be some merit to the youth argument, but it's a tough sell when you try to identify impact players. This senior class may not be big and certainly didn't have great results this year as a team, but it did include most of our proven backbone and impact players: Kiel at times, Bond, Cole, Dowdy, Edwards, Tion, Kinard, Leahy, Pace, Tyson, Wilson, Ray, Sione...

Meanwhile, very few of those FR/SO guys have shown on the field that they have a high likelihood of being AAC studs. Our returning QBs are all unproven. Boone is back if healthy, but he's a SR and the rest of the RBs are unproven. I'd count Lewis as a young impact guy, but he's probably the only one who's proven it among the WR and TE. Stoudt could be a standout OL down the line. The DL has a few: Broughton, Mouhon, Copeland and Ashworth have the makings of a very strong group before they are gone. I'm not sure any young LBs have shown anything we can count on except maybe Perry Young. DBs like Gilbert and Thomas are young guys who now have experience, but I'm not sure I see any standouts there yet.

So there's a few, but it's not like a lot of those 70 FR and SO have shown much on the field yet where one can confidently say better days are soon ahead.