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CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Maize - 06-11-2014 09:28 AM
From the Article:
Be a team player
BYU was known in certain Mountain West circles as overpowering, and maybe that's because it could get away with it.
But no one wants to hire an employee who's difficult to deal with. BYU would have to blend its culture with a set of new schools that make a ton of money and aren't about to disrupt the pot.
Be willing to sing the company line.
Set up killer football schedules
If BYU can continue to schedule tough in football despite its outlier status, that would show the Big 12 it handles difficult situations deftly.
Word out of the SEC meetings two weeks ago was at least one SEC school was talking with BYU about a home-and-home before the league approved an 8 + 1 model that suppressed negotiations. Still pulling off at least one SEC game would be impressive.
Play the Big 12 more. Get into Texas and Oklahoma backyards. After the Texas game this year, BYU plays one game from that conference in the next two years -- a 2016 matchup with West Virginia in Landover, Md.
Call Oklahoma's Joe Castiglione every day. Agree to three consecutive games in Norman.
Play to your strengths
You can argue BYU is a top-40 program, which means it might be better than 25 so-called power conference teams.
Football success hinges on quarterback play, and you've had it: Ty Detmer, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, and to a lesser extent -- Taysom Hill. Play that up.
Show your value system is a strength, a different voice for the conference room.
And hope for a phone call.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jeremy-fowler/24584691/so-byu-is-full-frontal-about-big-12-desires-time-to-go-all-out
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - MWC Tex - 06-11-2014 09:55 AM
Reeks of Desperation and their Ego being badly bruised.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Rich52c - 06-11-2014 10:40 AM
(06-11-2014 09:55 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: Reeks of Desperation and their Ego being badly bruised.
BYU has one game with PAC 12.Thats one P5 school.
The ACC and SEC are not playing BYU.
And whats the likelihood of the B10 and 9 game conference wanting to play BYU? Not high.
Then there is the B12?
Where is BYU going some type of arrangement with the AAC with the likes UCinn,UConn,USF,UCF.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Tbringer - 06-11-2014 10:49 AM
Among other things this is a major obstacle that BYU or anyone faces in terms of getting into the Big 12 conference:
From the above linked article:
After several conversations with Big 12 officials, it's clear the league is ready to ride out the first wave of College Football Playoff play with a 10-team setup.
Those 10 teams split $220 million, and that doesn't include third-tier rights. That's one way to make a living.
The Big 12 doesn't need to expand and doesn't have to expand. If someone wants in, they need to recognize the Big 12 holds the power there, and they must do whatever they can to make themselves valuable to that conference, not make demands about how the league should change to accommodate them.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Tbringer - 06-11-2014 10:57 AM
The interesting thing about the recent BYU talk is that the national media is joining in on the conversation. Obviously the national media are the primary driver in making such a move possible or not. If Fox and Espn want BYU then they would make sure the Big 12 can add that school and another and the existing membership will not lose anything anywhere revenue wise.
Along with Big 12 members, the leaders at BYU should probably be convincing the Big 12s media partners that they would bring alot to the table as well.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - TodgeRodge - 06-11-2014 11:04 AM
the PAC 12 is going to have to break down and schedule BYU some
even if at first BYU is forced into scheduling MWC, Sunbelt, MAC and CUSA games for the most part.....if BYU ends up winning most of those games and they are the king of the nerds well they will still be stronger than the other available nerds
the PAC 12 has the issue where the closest "P5" teams are 1 to 2 timezones away (two time zones for most of the conference)
the PAC 12 has a 9 game conference schedule so one season 5 home conference games and one season 4 conference home games
if you are angling for 6 home games at a min that means one season you need one home OOC game and one season you need 2 home OOC games
if you are angling for games in the OOC with "P5" teams well most if not all of those "P5" schools are going to demand a home and home game
so take year 1 when random PAC 12 team has 4 home conference games and 5 away conference games and then 3 OOC games
if they desire 6 home games and all games with "P5" members then they need to schedule 2 OOC home games with "P5" teams and one away
so those 2 home "P5" schools are going to of course demand home and home (why would they not if their conference is telling them to not play "G5" schools and BYU surely their conference will tell them to not play one and done games against other "P5" programs right otherwise you have defeated the whole purpose and you might as well go back to buying in games against "G5" schools and BYU)
so PAC 12 school has 4 home conference games, 5 away conference games and 2 OOC home games and 1 away OOC game and to get that away OOC game they have to travel halfway across the country with the exception of CU)
well next year comes and the PAC 12 school has 5 home conference games and 4 away conference games and 3 OOC games.........well to "pay back" for the two prior year home OOC games they now have to travel 2 times halfway across the country at least 2 time zones away (for all but CU) and they have one home OOC game
so what really screws a PAC 12 team is every year when they have their "desirable" 5 home conference schedule they will be screwed into traveling halfway across the country for 2 games to play other "P5" schools and there is no way to get around that unless you say screw it and only have 5 home games one season because you are going to have to schedule the "P5" teams home and home and that means you always have to travel away to match a team traveling to you period
and yes the "two away games during the season when you have 5 home conference games" is an issue for every team in a conference that plays 9 conference games, but the difference is every other conference that does that has a large number of readily available "P5" teams in other conferences to choose from in the same timezone or at worst 1 timezone away, but from a travel distance perspective really not that far
the PAC 12 has both timezones and distance to contend with for EVERY SINGLE OOC GAME they desire to play against a "P5" team outside their conference and it is all the worse when that hits every season when you have your desirable 5 in conference home games
from a travel and fatigue perspective the PAC 12 will be at a major disadvantage relative to other conferences if they desire to have an "all "P5" " schedule
and if they decide to exclude BYU from that equation it makes it all the worse especially if BYU is beating down other "G5" programs regularly and ending the seasons looking better than programs like Indiana and Illinois and KU and Wake Forest and Syracuse
it makes no sense to travel greater distances and more timezones away to "P5 it" when the "P5" you are playing sucks relative to a team like BYU or even Boise that is right close by that you are suppose to avoid
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - jrj84105 - 06-11-2014 11:18 AM
(06-11-2014 11:04 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the PAC 12 is going to have to break down and schedule BYU someAlmost every team in the PAC12 is scheduled to play BYU. There's no problem there.
When did travelling become such a huge obstacle for football teams? The typical non-Cali PAC school will play 9 conference games, 1 FCS school at home, and one California Go5 school for recruiting purposes on a 1:1 schedule. The remaining spot will be another P5 school most years. The 9 game conference schedule and need to maintain exposure in Cali (or Texas) severly limits scheduling BYU on an annual basis for PAC teams. The Cali schools have ND with BYU as the stand in when they are not playing ND.
PS: Utah and Arizona are in the Mountain time zone as is Colorado (although AZ doesn't observe daylight savings from spring to fall- as an Arizonan who has sunrise before 5 AM now, that's Arizona's fault for being retarded). There is a one hour time difference from Utah to Alabama for instance. I don't think Alabama struggles going 1 time zone East to play Georgia and Florida.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - prp - 06-11-2014 11:36 AM
(06-11-2014 11:04 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote: the PAC 12 is going to have to break down and schedule BYU some
even if at first BYU is forced into scheduling MWC, Sunbelt, MAC and CUSA games for the most part.....if BYU ends up winning most of those games and they are the king of the nerds well they will still be stronger than the other available nerds
the PAC 12 has the issue where the closest "P5" teams are 1 to 2 timezones away (two time zones for most of the conference)
the PAC 12 has a 9 game conference schedule so one season 5 home conference games and one season 4 conference home games
if you are angling for 6 home games at a min that means one season you need one home OOC game and one season you need 2 home OOC games
if you are angling for games in the OOC with "P5" teams well most if not all of those "P5" schools are going to demand a home and home game
so take year 1 when random PAC 12 team has 4 home conference games and 5 away conference games and then 3 OOC games
if they desire 6 home games and all games with "P5" members then they need to schedule 2 OOC home games with "P5" teams and one away
so those 2 home "P5" schools are going to of course demand home and home (why would they not if their conference is telling them to not play "G5" schools and BYU surely their conference will tell them to not play one and done games against other "P5" programs right otherwise you have defeated the whole purpose and you might as well go back to buying in games against "G5" schools and BYU)
so PAC 12 school has 4 home conference games, 5 away conference games and 2 OOC home games and 1 away OOC game and to get that away OOC game they have to travel halfway across the country with the exception of CU)
well next year comes and the PAC 12 school has 5 home conference games and 4 away conference games and 3 OOC games.........well to "pay back" for the two prior year home OOC games they now have to travel 2 times halfway across the country at least 2 time zones away (for all but CU) and they have one home OOC game
so what really screws a PAC 12 team is every year when they have their "desirable" 5 home conference schedule they will be screwed into traveling halfway across the country for 2 games to play other "P5" schools and there is no way to get around that unless you say screw it and only have 5 home games one season because you are going to have to schedule the "P5" teams home and home and that means you always have to travel away to match a team traveling to you period
and yes the "two away games during the season when you have 5 home conference games" is an issue for every team in a conference that plays 9 conference games, but the difference is every other conference that does that has a large number of readily available "P5" teams in other conferences to choose from in the same timezone or at worst 1 timezone away, but from a travel distance perspective really not that far
the PAC 12 has both timezones and distance to contend with for EVERY SINGLE OOC GAME they desire to play against a "P5" team outside their conference and it is all the worse when that hits every season when you have your desirable 5 in conference home games
from a travel and fatigue perspective the PAC 12 will be at a major disadvantage relative to other conferences if they desire to have an "all "P5" " schedule
and if they decide to exclude BYU from that equation it makes it all the worse especially if BYU is beating down other "G5" programs regularly and ending the seasons looking better than programs like Indiana and Illinois and KU and Wake Forest and Syracuse
it makes no sense to travel greater distances and more timezones away to "P5 it" when the "P5" you are playing sucks relative to a team like BYU or even Boise that is right close by that you are suppose to avoid
Why would the Pac 12 team need to be scheduling 2 P5 OOC games when hardly any of the rest of country is doing it? 1 P5 OOC plus 9 conference games puts them on par or above just about everyone else. There's really no problem. That still leaves two slots for home games against G5 or FCS. Getting to 6 or even 7 home games a season is doable with or without BYU in the mix.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - TrojanCampaign - 06-11-2014 11:58 AM
(06-11-2014 10:49 AM)Tbringer Wrote: Among other things this is a major obstacle that BYU or anyone faces in terms of getting into the Big 12 conference:
From the above linked article:
After several conversations with Big 12 officials, it's clear the league is ready to ride out the first wave of College Football Playoff play with a 10-team setup.
Those 10 teams split $220 million, and that doesn't include third-tier rights. That's one way to make a living.
The Big 12 doesn't need to expand and doesn't have to expand. If someone wants in, they need to recognize the Big 12 holds the power there, and they must do whatever they can to make themselves valuable to that conference, not make demands about how the league should change to accommodate them.
Exactly why I find all the BYU talk to the Big 12 foolish. BYU at most is honestly worth maybe six million a year. And every other team available is worth even less. Adding two teams to the big 12 right now would not increase the money or competition.
They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Tbringer - 06-11-2014 12:21 PM
(06-11-2014 11:58 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:(06-11-2014 10:49 AM)Tbringer Wrote: Among other things this is a major obstacle that BYU or anyone faces in terms of getting into the Big 12 conference:
From the above linked article:
After several conversations with Big 12 officials, it's clear the league is ready to ride out the first wave of College Football Playoff play with a 10-team setup.
Those 10 teams split $220 million, and that doesn't include third-tier rights. That's one way to make a living.
The Big 12 doesn't need to expand and doesn't have to expand. If someone wants in, they need to recognize the Big 12 holds the power there, and they must do whatever they can to make themselves valuable to that conference, not make demands about how the league should change to accommodate them.
Exactly why I find all the BYU talk to the Big 12 foolish. BYU at most is honestly worth maybe six million a year. And every other team available is worth even less. Adding two teams to the big 12 right now would not increase the money or competition.
They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.
When teams have moved into power conferences, they get pro rata shares of revenue -at a buy in rate for awhile in the valuable conferences. Revenues probably aren't an issue as far as BYU getting an increase eventually to full share, but BYU being added would mean that bowl money, playoff money, ncaa money would be split off more ways for the existing members there. The Big 12 has clauses in their contracts though to accommodate expansion on a pro rata basis
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - jrj84105 - 06-11-2014 12:22 PM
(06-11-2014 11:58 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.Exactly. Some of the better Go5 schools have a limited ceiling for growth while some of the Go5 schools with very high ceilings are performing far below their potential either athletically or academically. When one of those high ceiling schools starts realizing its potential, there will be a spot open.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Captain Bearcat - 06-11-2014 12:59 PM
(06-11-2014 12:22 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:(06-11-2014 11:58 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.Exactly. Some of the better Go5 schools have a limited ceiling for growth while some of the Go5 schools with very high ceilings are performing far below their potential either athletically or academically. When one of those high ceiling schools starts realizing its potential, there will be a spot open.
I presume you mean that UC is one of the high-ceiling schools. We have 42,000 students and more living alums than any other G5 school (and every Big 12 school except the Longhorns for that matter). We're in a football-crazed city with rich recruiting grounds, and we only have to share them with one P5 in-state competitor (as opposed to 3 in Florida).
And we're climbing up the academic rankings quickly (21 spots in US News in the last 4 years). We've always had a solid research base but even that's improving (46th in the country in research funding among all universities, up 7 spots from last year).
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - jrj84105 - 06-11-2014 01:13 PM
(06-11-2014 12:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:(06-11-2014 12:22 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:(06-11-2014 11:58 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.Exactly. Some of the better Go5 schools have a limited ceiling for growth while some of the Go5 schools with very high ceilings are performing far below their potential either athletically or academically. When one of those high ceiling schools starts realizing its potential, there will be a spot open.
I presume you mean that UC is one of the high-ceiling schools. We have 42,000 students and more living alums than any other G5 school (and every Big 12 school except the Longhorns for that matter). We're in a football-crazed city with rich recruiting grounds, and we only have to share them with one P5 in-state competitor (as opposed to 3 in Florida).
And we're climbing up the academic rankings quickly (21 spots in US News in the last 4 years). We've always had a solid research base but even that's improving (46th in the country in research funding among all universities, up 7 spots from last year).
Yes- your school is academically undervalued especially in the health sciences arena.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - TodgeRodge - 06-11-2014 03:46 PM
(06-11-2014 11:36 AM)prp Wrote: Why would the Pac 12 team need to be scheduling 2 P5 OOC games when hardly any of the rest of country is doing it? 1 P5 OOC plus 9 conference games puts them on par or above just about everyone else. There's really no problem. That still leaves two slots for home games against G5 or FCS. Getting to 6 or even 7 home games a season is doable with or without BYU in the mix.
the whole deal with BYU is a "lesser school" is because conferences like the SEC and ACC are TALKING (we will see if they act) about moving to schedule almost exclusively "P5" schools
now again we will see if either of those conferences actually acts on that and how it works for them if he do act on it, but if they do try and act on it and the PAC 12 follows it will create difficulty for the PAC 12 more than other conferences
and the reality is that it is more than likely that the SEC and ACC are full of BS and they either will not be able to or won't like trying to schedule all "P5" schools and all their talk about deciding where BYU stands will just be stupidity and foolishness
but it is not and those conferences and others try and follow through the PAC 12 will have the most difficulty
(06-11-2014 11:18 AM)jrj84105 Wrote: Almost every team in the PAC12 is scheduled to play BYU. There's no problem there.
When did travelling become such a huge obstacle for football teams? The typical non-Cali PAC school will play 9 conference games, 1 FCS school at home, and one California Go5 school for recruiting purposes on a 1:1 schedule. The remaining spot will be another P5 school most years. The 9 game conference schedule and need to maintain exposure in Cali (or Texas) severly limits scheduling BYU on an annual basis for PAC teams. The Cali schools have ND with BYU as the stand in when they are not playing ND.
PS: Utah and Arizona are in the Mountain time zone as is Colorado (although AZ doesn't observe daylight savings from spring to fall- as an Arizonan who has sunrise before 5 AM now, that's Arizona's fault for being retarded). There is a one hour time difference from Utah to Alabama for instance. I don't think Alabama struggles going 1 time zone East to play Georgia and Florida.
and Alabama to Florida is a very short trip timezone or not and I mentioned not just time, but distance as well
travel wears on a team and when you add in long distance travel (the time of travel is real no matter what the clock says) and you add in timezone or timezones to the mix (when what the clock says is different than that your body feels after your body has traveled 4-6+ hours in real time that makes a difference in how you play and how you feel
and I realize how the PAC 12 schedules NOW, but the whole "ranking and placement of BYU" discussion by the SEC and ACC is designed around their TALK about playing only other "P5" schools and BYU not being deemed "worthy" of fitting into that equation
I am personally going to wait and see if the SEC and ACC actually follow through on that (and I have my doubts they will or that it will work for them if they attempt it), but what has set this whole discussion of BYU off again and "BYU needing a conference" is the fact that BYU was deemed "not worthy" of being on the schedules for the SEC and ACC
and if BYU is "not worthy" then surely members of the Sunbelt, MWC, MAC and CUSA are not worthy either because BYU is better than many of them and BYU is better than many of the programs at the lower level of the "P5" conferences
on the MWC forum everyone is talking about how "BYU needs the MWC now" because the SEC and ACC won't play them when the reality is joining back into the MWC does nothing to get the ACC or SEC to schedule BYU (IF they follow through on their TALK) and the reality is BYU can still get pretty much any "G5" program on the schedule and it is my opinion that BYU will still be getting on the schedule of the PAC 12 especially so they don't NEED to join a conference no matter what the SEC and ACC deem them worthy of and in fact they might make the SEC and ACC eat their words
but again all of this BYU talk and BYU looking for conference ect is predicated on the fact that the SEC and ACC have said they do not feel that BYU is worthy of scheduling and while I feel that is just ignorance if other conferences follow through it will make it the most difficult for the PAC 12
because even if the PAC 12 avoids BYU for some reason based on their "not worthy" status from the ACC and SEC and the PAC 12 keeps scheduling other western "G5" schools that still means the PAC 12 is avoiding a nearby school that will often be far stronger than other "G5" schools for no good reason and if the PAC 12 moves towards an all "P5" schedule the actual hours and distance of travel to accomplish that along with timezone issues really works against them the most
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - jrj84105 - 06-11-2014 03:57 PM
(06-11-2014 03:46 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: ...the PAC 12 keeps scheduling other western "G5" schools that still means the PAC 12 is avoiding a nearby school that will often be far stronger than other "G5" schools for no good reason...
The good reason is recruiting exposure. The PAC schools get plenty of Utah exposure relative to the number of D1 prospects by playing Utah alone. The non-Cali PAC schools would rather play a Cali school or Hawaii to get additional Cali exposure or exposure in HI/Pacific Islands.
If the SEC/ACC decided to play a full P5 schedule (stifling laughter), the B1G PAC scheduling alliance would be revisited.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - TodgeRodge - 06-11-2014 04:12 PM
(06-11-2014 03:57 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:(06-11-2014 03:46 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: ...the PAC 12 keeps scheduling other western "G5" schools that still means the PAC 12 is avoiding a nearby school that will often be far stronger than other "G5" schools for no good reason...
The good reason is recruiting exposure. The PAC schools get plenty of Utah exposure relative to the number of D1 prospects by playing Utah alone. The non-Cali PAC schools would rather play a Cali school or Hawaii to get additional Cali exposure or exposure in HI/Pacific Islands.
If the SEC/ACC decided to play a full P5 schedule (stifling laughter), the B1G PAC scheduling alliance would be revisited.
I understand this, but most people think this is just another BYU to the Big 12 thread (which is what they want to turn it into)
but the only reason all of this BYU talk is starting is because of the SEC and ACC saying that "BYU is not worthy" and I will be the first to say that is probably the SEC and ACC especially just making themselves look stupid, but if they follow through on it then the PAC 12 has the biggest issues if they attempt the same
which is why I think all of the "BYU not worthy" talk will die soon enough
and as for the scheduling alliance I am sure the PAC 12 would love that, but I think that would be foolish for the Big 10 and I am not sure the Big 10 would go for it
the Big 10 has moved far eastward with the latest two teams added and there are plenty of "P5" teams in Big 10 country outside of the Big 10 for them to schedule so they will see the same thing I am seeing and that is traveling that distance will not make sense on a regular basis
and even if the Big 10 agrees to it in some form it will still be Big 10 teams taking a single trip most years while for the PAC 12 they will generally be stuck making 2 long trips the same year they have the "preferred" 5 home conference games
each PAC 12 team still has those slots to fill and those "P5" teams are all far away while the Big 10 could still make one long trip and one short trip even in years when they play two "P5" schools away
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - lumberpack4 - 06-11-2014 04:19 PM
No one in a decision making capacity in the ACC or SEC is talking about going to all P-5 schedules. First the math does not work, second it's an economic killer to the big stadium schools like Bama, Florida, FSU, Clemson, TN, LSU, Auburn, etc., because they will lose a 7th home game, third some of them have regional rivalries that are more important than a P-5 game with someone they don't have anything in common with and political pressure can be brought to bear on that - UNC and NC State have to play ECU from time to time. I suspect the same is true in Mississippi with Ole Miss, MSU and Southern Miss, as well as their natural desire to play Memphis. Louisville would likely see that with Cincinciatti, and Florida and Florida State will be under some pressure to play USF and UCF as well as other Florida schools from time to time.
All P-5 games would become another NFL and if the ACC and SEC did that, then it's just the re-assembling of the old 23 team Southern Conference that existed until 1933 with some additional teams - Mizzou, Arkansas, TAMU, Miami, FSU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, ND, Louis
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - jrj84105 - 06-11-2014 04:38 PM
(06-11-2014 04:12 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: ....and as for the scheduling alliance I am sure the PAC 12 would love that, but I think that would be foolish for the Big 10 and I am not sure the Big 10 would go for it
You do know that the B1G and PAC12 already reached a scheduling agreement, but that the Cali schools ultimately pulled out as they felt that the 9 game conference schedule + ND + B1G (11 P5 games) was excessive relative to ACC/SEC scheduling.
Now if somebody at BYU could come up with a convincing model for getting ND to drop its affiliation with the ACC to preserve the traditional series with USC, Furd, Michigan as part of a B1G-PAC-ND scheduling agreement with BYU stepping in to fill in tricky schedule conflicts, then BYU would be golden as an independent and would have no problem claiming a spot in the P5.
RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - Kittonhead - 06-11-2014 04:42 PM
I've always said the ACC should double down in Florida with USF and UCF. Turn themselves into the Florida conference.
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RE: CBS Sports: So BYU is full frontal about Big 12 desires? Time to go all out - goofus - 06-11-2014 04:49 PM
(06-11-2014 12:22 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:(06-11-2014 11:58 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: They are better off waiting ten years until USF and UCF get out of infancy.Exactly. Some of the better Go5 schools have a limited ceiling for growth while some of the Go5 schools with very high ceilings are performing far below their potential either athletically or academically. When one of those high ceiling schools starts realizing its potential, there will be a spot open.
I believe New Mexico is a classic example of a potential high ceiling school. A state with no pro sports and a higher growth rate. If they could just put together a decent football program, they would already be in a P5 conference.
other examples of potential long - term power teams are UNLV, Boise, Hawaii, Arkansas State, and Missouri State.