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(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:40 PM)elon77 Wrote:  At one point last night next years starting five was on the floor, Porter, Carver, Caver, B.J., and Green. What you say?

I think next year will not be the downgrade some think. Thats a good lineup. We lose Haynes and Branden (and Vassor). We bring in McClinton, Kithcart and the three new guys, plus hopefully another freshman big and a transfer. If McClinton is decent and can help ease the pain of losing Branden, I think we should be better next season. Which adds fuel to my thoughts that if JJ doesn't make the tourney by next season its time for a change.

And this year was supposed to be a marked improvement from last year and look how that's turning out.

Some of our fans just cannot see the Forest for the trees.

(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Just saying it doesn't make it so. Three of the other four starters "fired at will" more than Haynes did last night. He only shot 7 times, and made 4 of them including 2 of 5 from the arc (40%).

Green, subbing in off the bench also shot 7 times and missed all 7. Obviously I think Green is a better player than that, but he is not a true freshman like Hueitt and Godwin are, or even how Fields was last season. He's had a year with the program to learn the system and become acclimated to the college environment. Whatever is making him miss so badly, he needs to figure it out.

When a poster posts 4 straight posts in a row, are they really trying to have a conversation, or are they trying to ensure that their favorite talking points are adequately covered.

Asking for a friend.........

(12-07-2017 11:43 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When a poster posts 4 straight posts in a row, are they really trying to have a conversation, or are they trying to ensure that their favorite talking points are adequately covered.

Asking for a friend.........

I think it could be both Smitty. I think Razor is primarily on late nights and is playing catch-up with his responses. Of course he is consistent and sometimes spirited with his opinions/thoughts too. He wants ODU's basketball team to be successful and is a die hard fan from my perspective (as most of the posters on here are whether we agree or disagree about the particulars from time to time).

He wouldn't be happy if ODU was successful.

(12-08-2017 12:28 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  He wouldn't be happy if ODU was successful.

And with this post you just encouraged numerous redundant responses of "I want us to be successful but we will never get there with Jones."

(12-08-2017 12:35 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:28 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  He wouldn't be happy if ODU was successful.

And with this post you just encouraged numerous redundant responses of "I want us to be successful but we will never get there with Jones."

Or Taylor, Capel, Purcell, Pat Riley, or Phil Jackson. It is just comical at this point. I hate that we used to have really good conversations about our program that honestly aren't possible anymore.

(12-07-2017 09:30 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 08:16 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:15 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Fire Coach Mooney!! Oh wait.

Still laughing at this - reading this thread and all our Bipolar fans is hilarious

Youre about as knowledgeable on psychology as you are on college hoops.

If anything this fanbase is the exact opposite of bi-polar. The people who want a new coach still want a new coach and that never changed.

The people who think he's a good coach still, for some inexplicable reason, still think he is and we just need more time.

I see no one changing their opinion although I do see fans deciding that they are impressed which is their right to do.

So be it.

You are right maybe it’s PDD-
The main sign of persistent depressive disorder (PDD) is low, dark, or sad mood that occurs for most of the day, for more days than not, for at least two years. People with PDD often describe their mood as consistently sad or "down in the dumps." Other symptoms can include:

Poor appetite or overeating
Sleep disturbances
Low energy or fatigue
Low self-esteem
Poor concentration
Feelings of hopelessnes

(12-08-2017 01:21 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:30 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 08:16 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:15 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Fire Coach Mooney!! Oh wait.

Still laughing at this - reading this thread and all our Bipolar fans is hilarious

Youre about as knowledgeable on psychology as you are on college hoops.

If anything this fanbase is the exact opposite of bi-polar. The people who want a new coach still want a new coach and that never changed.

The people who think he's a good coach still, for some inexplicable reason, still think he is and we just need more time.

I see no one changing their opinion although I do see fans deciding that they are impressed which is their right to do.

So be it.

You are right maybe it’s PDD-
The main sign of persistent depressive disorder (PDD) is low, dark, or sad mood that occurs for most of the day, for more days than not, for at least two years. People with PDD often describe their mood as consistently sad or "down in the dumps." Other symptoms can include:

Poor appetite or overeating
Sleep disturbances
Low energy or fatigue
Low self-esteem
Poor concentration
Feelings of hopelessnes

Are there any medications that can help?

Ps, about the actual game.

It is stunning to me that we opened the second half on a 20-0 run. Is that an ODU record I wonder? That is simply stunning. You would not expect that to happen even if we were playing flipping Lake Taylor High School! I hope the coaches play the team the tape of that over and over and hammer in this is exactly how we want you to play. Dang impressive.

(12-08-2017 07:11 AM)mac Wrote:  Ps, about the actual game.

It is stunning to me that we opened the second half on a 20-0 run. Is that an ODU record I wonder? That is simply stunning. You would not expect that to happen even if we were playing flipping Lake Taylor High School! I hope the coaches play the team the tape of that over and over and hammer in this is exactly how we want you to play. Dang impressive.

I thought predicting a 10-0 run was unrealistic .. the defense played an important role in blocks and forced turnovers ... our transition ran smoothly as we converted almost every trip..

If you guys would just ignore him, he will go away. People that do nothing but post antagonizing posts are just looking for responses; not actual analysis. The people that quote him are just as much to blame. Just put him on ignore and move on.

haha, wow. Just re-watched 2nd half. Go to 13:55 when BJ forgets how to dribble. JJ turns and stands and stares at his dad like "WTF" and dad just shakes his head and JJ slams his fist down on the table. haha I know some see that as breaking the kids spirit and all but he didn't yank BJ. He didn't yell AT him. But he was visible frustrated with that, as he should be.

I know I've read critics say he doesn't show emotion or get mad enough but, I believe, it's those same people are saying he's abusive to the point of destroying their fragile little brains.

Either way, I found that little moment telling. He's as frustrated as we are at those little things. Which brings me to my point. Yes, it all falls on the coach but sometimes you just expect a D1 player to be able to dribble.

(12-08-2017 09:43 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  haha, wow. Just re-watched 2nd half. Go to 13:55 when BJ forgets how to dribble. JJ turns and stands and stares at his dad like "WTF" and dad just shakes his head and JJ slams his fist down on the table. haha I know some see that as breaking the kids spirit and all but he didn't yank BJ. He didn't yell AT him. But he was visible frustrated with that, as he should be.

I know I've read critics say he doesn't show emotion or get mad enough but, I believe, it's those same people are saying he's abusive to the point of destroying their fragile little brains.

Either way, I found that little moment telling. He's as frustrated as we are at those little things. Which brings me to my point. Yes, it all falls on the coach but sometimes you just expect a D1 player to be able to dribble.

Particularly when he was a 4 star recruit. Coaching hard does not equal breaking spirit, regardless of what the posting pundits think.

(12-08-2017 08:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If you guys would just ignore him, he will go away. People that do nothing but post antagonizing posts are just looking for responses; not actual analysis. The people that quote him are just as much to blame. Just put him on ignore and move on.

Id rather read his posts about striving for better than yours which only criticizes his.

My question to you is this. How long do we give JJ to reach the NCAA tournament? After how many years missing the tournament is it acceptable to fire him and move in a new direction IN YOUR EYES? I want to know.

And BTW I doubt hes going anywhere being that he wants our program to return to better days. The more and more I read his posts, the more I agree about mediocrity and some of our fans getting hyped up about beating no-bodies.

(12-07-2017 11:43 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When a poster posts 4 straight posts in a row, are they really trying to have a conversation, or are they trying to ensure that their favorite talking points are adequately covered.

Asking for a friend.........

Smitty's question is a very good one. And it got glossed over.

There is a difference between a conversation where both parties are expressing a point of view and a broadcast where one side just creates a post count of who can last the longest and complain the loudest because everyone hasn't bought in after game 3, 4, or 5 of a season. Leaving it at that.

I believe that Mac's post from another thread spells out the bone of contention quite well.

Quote:If all you care about is making the NCAA's, you will probably be disappointed.

That's where the "negative" guys like us see the issue. We want to be excited about March Madness again. It's been too long, and we don't see any signs of that changing in the near future. Even with our current recruits, it'll be March of 2020 before that have that kind of impact.

He was a 4 star recruit out of high school, when UVA recruited him. He left UVA for a reason and it wasn't just so he could play for Dad. Most mid-majors get kids who have a flaw in there game of some sort, inconsistency, lack of jump shot, poor handle, can't make foul shots you name it. They can play, but there is still a flaw somewhere. BJ's no different.

(12-08-2017 10:03 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He was a 4 star recruit out of high school, when UVA recruited him. He left UVA for a reason and it wasn't just so he could play for Dad. Most mid-majors get kids who have a flaw in there game of some sort, inconsistency, lack of jump shot, poor handle, can't make foul shots you name it. They can play, but there is still a flaw somewhere. BJ's no different.

Well stated Old Dominion. I remember Kent had much the same issues putting the ball on the floor. I also remember watching Kent in the gym during his sophomore year working hard to correct that very thing. I watched him doing the dribble a ball in each hand at the same time drill while making cutting moves up and down the floor. It didn't turn him into Curly Neal, but it definitely helped to make him a better dribbler. Bottom line - BJ needs to put in some hours on his own working on this shortcoming.

(12-08-2017 09:43 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  haha, wow. Just re-watched 2nd half. Go to 13:55 when BJ forgets how to dribble. JJ turns and stands and stares at his dad like "WTF" and dad just shakes his head and JJ slams his fist down on the table. haha I know some see that as breaking the kids spirit and all but he didn't yank BJ. He didn't yell AT him. But he was visible frustrated with that, as he should be.

I know I've read critics say he doesn't show emotion or get mad enough but, I believe, it's those same people are saying he's abusive to the point of destroying their fragile little brains.

Either way, I found that little moment telling. He's as frustrated as we are at those little things. Which brings me to my point. Yes, it all falls on the coach but sometimes you just expect a D1 player to be able to dribble.

I noticed that his dad got right in his ear and barked at him as he came off the floor after he had a turnover caused by poor dribbling. It could have been after the one you mentioned here. Surely they are aware of that part of his game being weak. Hopefully they are working with him on improving it.