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(11-09-2017 02:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, you also have higher pay where you live. If you made 100k in Norfolk, it would be like making 160k in Washington DC.

I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

(11-09-2017 02:24 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, you also have higher pay where you live. If you made 100k in Norfolk, it would be like making 160k in Washington DC.

I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

The bigger issue is $100k jobs in Hampton Roads are very scarce unless you're a government contractor. Most people I know there (white collar, college educated professionals too) are in the $40-70k range. Hard to buy a $200k+ home with that.

(11-09-2017 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:24 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, you also have higher pay where you live. If you made 100k in Norfolk, it would be like making 160k in Washington DC.

I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

The bigger issue is $100k jobs in Hampton Roads are very scarce unless you're a government contractor. Most people I know there (white collar, college educated professionals too) are in the $40-70k range. Hard to buy a $200k+ home with that.

Maybe I am ignorant, as a business owner, I think your estimate is low. I go by the people I associate with (obviously), but also what I pay my people and what people in these types of industries make. Look at nurses, they make that much if they work part time. Engineers make more than that. Real estate agents (serious, full-time ones) make more than that.

When I am looking to hire someone right out of ODU, they typically are seeking something more than 40k per year and I'm assuming they get it if they turn me down. So, if entry level is 40k, I'm guessing the average is higher.

(11-09-2017 04:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:24 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, you also have higher pay where you live. If you made 100k in Norfolk, it would be like making 160k in Washington DC.

I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

The bigger issue is $100k jobs in Hampton Roads are very scarce unless you're a government contractor. Most people I know there (white collar, college educated professionals too) are in the $40-70k range. Hard to buy a $200k+ home with that.

Maybe I am ignorant, as a business owner, I think your estimate is low. I go by the people I associate with (obviously), but also what I pay my people and what people in these types of industries make. Look at nurses, they make that much if they work part time. Engineers make more than that. Real estate agents (serious, full-time ones) make more than that.

When I am looking to hire someone right out of ODU, they typically are seeking something more than 40k per year and I'm assuming they get it if they turn me down. So, if entry level is 40k, I'm guessing the average is higher.

Probably so if you're in the engineering or high tech fields. I work in communications/marketing and I know plenty of people, several with masters degrees, in the 40k range with 15+ years experience down there. My friend with a masters recently interviewed for a job at Dollar Tree corporate, and was told the job would start at $28k. Though I also know guys in IT pulling in 65 -70k+. But thats a pretty nice salary for Hampton Roads. I guess it depends on the industry. I know I was able to double my salary simply by moving to the DC area and doing nearly the exact same job. I've also looked at moving back to Norfolk but everything still pays the same as when I left or worse. Even if I'm willing to take a significant pay cut, I can't afford to move back to Hampton Roads with salaries what they are. Maybe its just my field.

(11-09-2017 05:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  Maybe its just my field.

Bingo.

I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

(11-09-2017 05:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 04:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:24 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, you also have higher pay where you live. If you made 100k in Norfolk, it would be like making 160k in Washington DC.

I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

The bigger issue is $100k jobs in Hampton Roads are very scarce unless you're a government contractor. Most people I know there (white collar, college educated professionals too) are in the $40-70k range. Hard to buy a $200k+ home with that.

Maybe I am ignorant, as a business owner, I think your estimate is low. I go by the people I associate with (obviously), but also what I pay my people and what people in these types of industries make. Look at nurses, they make that much if they work part time. Engineers make more than that. Real estate agents (serious, full-time ones) make more than that.

When I am looking to hire someone right out of ODU, they typically are seeking something more than 40k per year and I'm assuming they get it if they turn me down. So, if entry level is 40k, I'm guessing the average is higher.

Probably so if you're in the engineering or high tech fields. I work in communications/marketing and I know plenty of people, several with masters degrees, in the 40k range with 15+ years experience down there. My friend with a masters recently interviewed for a job at Dollar Tree corporate, and was told the job would start at $28k. Though I also know guys in IT pulling in 65 -70k+. But thats a pretty nice salary for Hampton Roads. I guess it depends on the industry. I know I was able to double my salary simply by moving to the DC area and doing nearly the exact same job. I've also looked at moving back to Norfolk but everything still pays the same as when I left or worse. Even if I'm willing to take a significant pay cut, I can't afford to move back to Hampton Roads with salaries what they are. Maybe its just my field.

Wife just graduated from ODU with a degree in Marketing. Can't find a job that pays more than $35k in Hampton Roads. Trying to convince her we should move. I'll be graduating in the spring in engineering. Already being offered 2x what she has been. This area sucks for some industries.

(11-09-2017 05:49 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 04:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 02:24 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  I realize that. Thats why I said you can't really compare the two locations that much.

The bigger issue is $100k jobs in Hampton Roads are very scarce unless you're a government contractor. Most people I know there (white collar, college educated professionals too) are in the $40-70k range. Hard to buy a $200k+ home with that.

Maybe I am ignorant, as a business owner, I think your estimate is low. I go by the people I associate with (obviously), but also what I pay my people and what people in these types of industries make. Look at nurses, they make that much if they work part time. Engineers make more than that. Real estate agents (serious, full-time ones) make more than that.

When I am looking to hire someone right out of ODU, they typically are seeking something more than 40k per year and I'm assuming they get it if they turn me down. So, if entry level is 40k, I'm guessing the average is higher.

Probably so if you're in the engineering or high tech fields. I work in communications/marketing and I know plenty of people, several with masters degrees, in the 40k range with 15+ years experience down there. My friend with a masters recently interviewed for a job at Dollar Tree corporate, and was told the job would start at $28k. Though I also know guys in IT pulling in 65 -70k+. But thats a pretty nice salary for Hampton Roads. I guess it depends on the industry. I know I was able to double my salary simply by moving to the DC area and doing nearly the exact same job. I've also looked at moving back to Norfolk but everything still pays the same as when I left or worse. Even if I'm willing to take a significant pay cut, I can't afford to move back to Hampton Roads with salaries what they are. Maybe its just my field.

Wife just graduated from ODU with a degree in Marketing. Can't find a job that pays more than $35k in Hampton Roads. Trying to convince her we should move. I'll be graduating in the spring in engineering. Already being offered 2x what she has been. This area sucks for some industries.

Send me a PM if she would be interested in working in real estate.

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

No because they have unrealistic salary expectations. Parents are just enabling that.

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(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

(11-09-2017 07:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

Because you cannot self-actualize in that situation. It is also horrible for self-esteem. You cannot begin accumulating responsibilities when you aren't even taking care of yourself. My kids are getting the boot as soon as they are out of school.

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(11-09-2017 07:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

Because you cannot self-actualize in that situation. It is also horrible for self-esteem. You cannot begin accumulating responsibilities when you aren't even taking care of yourself. My kids are getting the boot as soon as they are out of school.

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Good luck with that

(11-09-2017 07:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  That probably has to do with the fact that it has become socially acceptable to live at the parents' house until they are in their 30s and the parents allow it.

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Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

Because you cannot self-actualize in that situation. It is also horrible for self-esteem. You cannot begin accumulating responsibilities when you aren't even taking care of yourself. My kids are getting the boot as soon as they are out of school.

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Good luck with that

What's that supposed to mean?

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Giles, you are hiring ODU grads?
What sector are you in?

(11-09-2017 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:46 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Qualified applicants turn down crappy pay because they live with their parents?

With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

Because you cannot self-actualize in that situation. It is also horrible for self-esteem. You cannot begin accumulating responsibilities when you aren't even taking care of yourself. My kids are getting the boot as soon as they are out of school.

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Good luck with that

What's that supposed to mean?

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A lot of people are having trouble landing "career" jobs directly out of college and if they have student debt, it's going to be hard for them initially to live without help. It can be done to be sure, people make due with far less, but the days of living well just because you graduated from college are over. Wages haven't come anywhere close to keeping up with inflation so many are struggling despite the degree.

But as you said, this can teach character or it can break someone. Tough to know which it will be though.

(11-09-2017 08:08 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  With the cost of student loans and housin costs, it only makes sense for kids to stay home longer. Why wouldnt you?

Because you cannot self-actualize in that situation. It is also horrible for self-esteem. You cannot begin accumulating responsibilities when you aren't even taking care of yourself. My kids are getting the boot as soon as they are out of school.

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Good luck with that

What's that supposed to mean?

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A lot of people are having trouble landing "career" jobs directly out of college and if they have student debt, it's going to be hard for them initially to live without help. It can be done to be sure, people make due with far less, but the days of living well just because you graduated from college are over. Wages haven't come anywhere close to keeping up with inflation so many are struggling despite the degree.

But as you said, this can teach character or it can break someone. Tough to know which it will be though.

Life is hard. Better to learn that at 22 with no responsibility to anyone but yourself than learn it when you are 42 and responsible for property, a wife, and 3 kids. The fall is much softer and the rebound is much lighter.

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(11-09-2017 08:40 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Movement mortgage bought part or all of military circle mall from the city I believe.

I know at the very least they totally renovated it. It's not going anywhere.

I also happen to think the arena is a terrible idea.

Not having a dedicated tenant already is a recipe for disaster.

Btw, the oceanfront is becoming more and more of a dump as well. So glad I moved out of Hampton Roads lol.

Where did you move?

I'm looking to get out of here as well, but unfortunately the money in my profession is in Northern Virginia and that is not an option I am willing to take. You are right though, Chesapeake and Virginia Beach are both turning into dumps unless you are so far off the beaten path that you are commuting an hour just to work. My house in Newport News is worth about $50k less than when I bought it 10 years ago. While the neighborhood and quality of life is still decent, it is going nowhere and once my 3rd grade son hits middle school, we'll have to shell out $12k per year for private school because our middle school is garbage and frankly dangerous.

Looking at Charleston, Savannah, and Pittsburgh but opportunities are few and far between. A few now and then in Charleston, but the pay is crap there. Best opportunities for salary and cost of living seem to be in San Antonio, but my wife doesn't want to be that far from family.

I moved to Charlotte with my girlfriend a year and a half ago and it's been truly life altering. Found a much better job, built a new construction home and just took a 2 week vacation to Oktoberfest/Austria/Switzerland.

I highly doubt any of that happens had I stayed in Virginia Beach but that may have had more to do with me being comfortable than the area itself. Who knows.

I do know my money goes MUCH further down here and there is FAR more to do. Charleston, Atlanta, Raleigh, Tennessee, Wilmington are all within 3 1/2 hours.

There's a Cherokee Casino and beautiful mountains within 2. I can still go see odu when they play Charlotte and any of the NC ACC schools. Also I will be enjoying the NCAA tourney at the Spectrum center, I got to watch 2 of the 4 days at Quail Hollow which is 10 minutes from my house in Ballantyne and, oh yeah, Charlotte has a light rail that actually works.

But yeah, I sure do miss hampton Roads lol.

(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I paid 30k for my masters degree. I couldn't imagine paying that and then receiving an offer of 28k. This is lower than what police and fire fighters make. I can't imagine many fields are similar to this.

FWIW, I've been seeking out recent ODU grads or people about to graduate. They essentially thumb their nose at 30k

They are called teachers lol.