Thanks. I'm almost certain they are still standing outside of the amphitheatre near the Culp. I'm sure something similar could be constructed. General Shale at one point did some amazing brick sculpting that might look good. Do you want to write the check to make this happen?

(09-13-2017 01:22 PM)MTBuc Wrote:  Thanks. I'm almost certain they are still standing outside of the amphitheatre near the Culp. I'm sure something similar could be constructed. General Shale at one point did some amazing brick sculpting that might look good. Do you want to write the check to make this happen?

They should be the original ones, moved over there. IMO.

(09-13-2017 01:03 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Most traditions "evolve" on their own, with their own weight and significance.

As college athletics traditions go, this isn't really the case. Most of UT's traditions were the brain child of Doug Dickey, Ray Mears or Johnny Majors (the Vol Walk is a direct copy of Auburn's Tiger Walk, which by now, every school has).

http://www.nbcsports.com/best-college-fo...traditions

Read through it. Most of these things didn't just naturally happen or evolve from something; someone came up with the idea.

(09-13-2017 02:12 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 01:03 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Most traditions "evolve" on their own, with their own weight and significance.

As college athletics traditions go, this isn't really the case. Most of UT's traditions were the brain child of Doug Dickey, Ray Mears or Johnny Majors (the Vol Walk is a direct copy of Auburn's Tiger Walk, which by now, every school has).

http://www.nbcsports.com/best-college-fo...traditions

Read through it. Most of these things didn't just naturally happen or evolve from something; someone came up with the idea.

I will read it. (Don't have time right now.) But I can almost guarantee that our reactions will be different, because I also consider the "Vol walk" to be a derivative manifestation of no value. (And thus the same would go for ETSU's practice, as it just seems 'artificial' and non-organic - on top of being a mere copycat conceptualization.) That some people with orange intoxication have somehow grabbed hold of it (the Vol one) is more indicative of their vacuity than the inherent worth of the practice. (My idealistic viewpoint, obviously.) Maybe I need to open up a bit about it. Will re-visit when I have time to read through it.

[And to be clear......I'm not at all saying that all UT vans are vacuous, but those who put significance into a silly "Vol walk" are misguided - IMO. Play the game(s) - let those speak for themselves. Of course I'm against virtually all the "entertainment" aspects of sporting events; it dilutes what we're all there for. And yes - clearly I'm "old school", but that comes from being more of a purist, I guess.]

Poster'doc', sometimes your posts are just dumb. To criticise ETSU FOR TRYING TO CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE AND NEW TRADITIONS IS RIDICULOUS. All my group touched the rock along with many many others. There were a lots of people taking their picture with the rock. You make comments like ' I don't want to bring this up' or I don't mean to draw attention but just saying'. If you don't want touch rock, don't, but to criticize others is in poor taste.

(09-13-2017 03:45 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 02:12 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 01:03 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Most traditions "evolve" on their own, with their own weight and significance.

As college athletics traditions go, this isn't really the case. Most of UT's traditions were the brain child of Doug Dickey, Ray Mears or Johnny Majors (the Vol Walk is a direct copy of Auburn's Tiger Walk, which by now, every school has).

http://www.nbcsports.com/best-college-fo...traditions

Read through it. Most of these things didn't just naturally happen or evolve from something; someone came up with the idea.

I will read it. (Don't have time right now.) But I can almost guarantee that our reactions will be different, because I also consider the "Vol walk" to be a derivative manifestation of no value. (And thus the same would go for ETSU's practice, as it just seems 'artificial' and non-organic - on top of being a mere copycat conceptualization.) That some people with orange intoxication have somehow grabbed hold of it (the Vol one) is more indicative of their vacuity than the inherent worth of the practice. (My idealistic viewpoint, obviously.) Maybe I need to open up a bit about it. Will re-visit when I have time to read through it.

[And to be clear......I'm not at all saying that all UT vans are vacuous, but those who put significance into a silly "Vol walk" are misguided - IMO. Play the game(s) - let those speak for themselves. Of course I'm against virtually all the "entertainment" aspects of sporting events; it dilutes what we're all there for. And yes - clearly I'm "old school", but that comes from being more of a purist, I guess.]

Ok, I read thru it; saw them all. It (sort of) makes my point, with some exceptions. Most of those date many decades; several over a century. A couple of the newer ones I wasn't even aware of (the "Haka" Maori-esque war dance at Hawaii for example). (And I'm saying the pink lockers at Iowa, and the "Jump Around" at Wisconsin aren't what I'd call "traditions", really.)
You just can't make 12-yr.-old scotch in 6 months. You get Boone's Farm (quite the choice on campus "back in the day") instead.

That said, yes - of course they have to start "somewhere". So let that "happen". Don't force it by copying what others have done. That's just copycat, tag-along mimicry. Again, it's totally artificial. And personally, I actually feel it's a bit demeaning in that we've had to adopt somebody's else's "thing".

Since Seattle Bucs hopped on my (facetious) idea of using horns from the old billygoat by posting a pic of one of the Captain Kidds on another thread, I think that there's room to explore that idea. Have a new Captain Kidd (I'm assuming all the old ones are deceased) lead the "Buc Walk". Have it lead the procession. (Might have to get some male cheerleaders again to help, and I'm not necessarily advocating that.) Or maybe let a senior (on the team?) be the "honorary Cap'n Captain", or something. There's room there to start something which *indeed* already has some tradition to go on.
And using the globes instead of the rock is just a superb idea. (Better do it quick before it's too late, tho.) And I'm sure there are more ideas if we put on our Buc beanies.

I'm just someone who tends to think "if you're going to do something, do it right". Just don't throw something at the wall to see if it sticks. Let it be "real" and organic.

(09-13-2017 04:55 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Poster'doc', sometimes your posts are just dumb. To criticise ETSU FOR TRYING TO CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE AND NEW TRADITIONS IS RIDICULOUS. All my group touched the rock along with many many others. There were a lots of people taking their picture with the rock. You make comments like ' I don't want to bring this up' or I don't mean to draw attention but just saying'. If you don't want touch rock, don't, but to criticize others is in poor taste.

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, you're not entitled to put words in my mouth, or on my fingers. I did NOT "criticise [sic] ETSU for trying to create an atmosphere and new traditions". "New traditions" would be excellent - IF they're real and not 'stolen' from UT, Clemson, and whoever. Can't you see how second-rate that makes ETSU appear? We can't think up, or let evolve, something honest and our own - so we have to borrow/steal something from somewhere else? We have complained forever on this board about being UT's red-headed stepchild, but now we're promulgating that mindset by copying something of theirs? "Does not compute."

If we want to create a new culture here (and we do - and hopefully *are*), then dang it - do it the right way (not to be confused with "winning the right way", please!). If we want to quit being some other university's hand-me-downs recipient, then we should grow up and grow our own.

The more I think about this, the more I know it's true.

(09-13-2017 10:34 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 03:45 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 02:12 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 01:03 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Most traditions "evolve" on their own, with their own weight and significance.

As college athletics traditions go, this isn't really the case. Most of UT's traditions were the brain child of Doug Dickey, Ray Mears or Johnny Majors (the Vol Walk is a direct copy of Auburn's Tiger Walk, which by now, every school has).

http://www.nbcsports.com/best-college-fo...traditions

Read through it. Most of these things didn't just naturally happen or evolve from something; someone came up with the idea.

I will read it. (Don't have time right now.) But I can almost guarantee that our reactions will be different, because I also consider the "Vol walk" to be a derivative manifestation of no value. (And thus the same would go for ETSU's practice, as it just seems 'artificial' and non-organic - on top of being a mere copycat conceptualization.) That some people with orange intoxication have somehow grabbed hold of it (the Vol one) is more indicative of their vacuity than the inherent worth of the practice. (My idealistic viewpoint, obviously.) Maybe I need to open up a bit about it. Will re-visit when I have time to read through it.

[And to be clear......I'm not at all saying that all UT vans are vacuous, but those who put significance into a silly "Vol walk" are misguided - IMO. Play the game(s) - let those speak for themselves. Of course I'm against virtually all the "entertainment" aspects of sporting events; it dilutes what we're all there for. And yes - clearly I'm "old school", but that comes from being more of a purist, I guess.]

Ok, I read thru it; saw them all. It (sort of) makes my point, with some exceptions. Most of those date many decades; several over a century. A couple of the newer ones I wasn't even aware of (the "Haka" Maori-esque war dance at Hawaii for example). (And I'm saying the pink lockers at Iowa, and the "Jump Around" at Wisconsin aren't what I'd call "traditions", really.)
You just can't make 12-yr.-old scotch in 6 months. You get Boone's Farm (quite the choice on campus "back in the day") instead.

That said, yes - of course they have to start "somewhere". So let that "happen". Don't force it by copying what others have done. That's just copycat, tag-along mimicry. Again, it's totally artificial. And personally, I actually feel it's a bit demeaning in that we've had to adopt somebody's else's "thing".

Since Seattle Bucs hopped on my (facetious) idea of using horns from the old billygoat by posting a pic of one of the Captain Kidds on another thread, I think that there's room to explore that idea. Have a new Captain Kidd (I'm assuming all the old ones are deceased) lead the "Buc Walk". Have it lead the procession. (Might have to get some male cheerleaders again to help, and I'm not necessarily advocating that.) Or maybe let a senior (on the team?) be the "honorary Cap'n Captain", or something. There's room there to start something which *indeed* already has some tradition to go on.
And using the globes instead of the rock is just a superb idea. (Better do it quick before it's too late, tho.) And I'm sure there are more ideas if we put on our Buc beanies.

I'm just someone who tends to think "if you're going to do something, do it right". Just don't throw something at the wall to see if it sticks. Let it be "real" and organic.

Please, no Billy goat leading the football team to the stadium. That would get us on ESPN for sure, for all the wrong reasons. May as well have them wear overalls and sit on a wagon with bales of hay, riding into the stadium.

"If you are going to do something, do it right". Where have you been the last 15 years. Are you a holdover from the previous administration? Your idea of "right" is to ridicule ETSU for trying and so far succeeding in getting the students and fans involved in college activities. You think making fun of other universities proud tradions is "right". Why don't you get on the Volnation board and tell them, "The Vol Walk is misguided" or tell the Hokies to stop jumping. They would run you out of town and I wouldn't blame them.

I suppose that sitting on your butt while the team runs onto the field or sitting like a bump on a log during the fight song are both examples of your " let it be real and organic", "just let it happen".

IMO. you and your idealistic approach to everyday events are 'pie in the sky'. Standing around and waiting for something to happen, while doing nothing to incourage or support a happening is fruitless.

In the meantime, me and thousands of other football fans will tailgate, walk, jump, pat/kiss rocks, yell, taunt and do anything and everything that is connected to having a wild and wonderful time attending a football game

(09-13-2017 10:34 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  That said, yes - of course they have to start "somewhere". So let that "happen". Don't force it by copying what others have done. That's just copycat, tag-along mimicry. Again, it's totally artificial. And personally, I actually feel it's a bit demeaning in that we've had to adopt somebody's else's "thing".

Just don't throw something at the wall to see if it sticks. Let it be "real" and organic.

Doug Dickey (or Ray Mears depending on who you ask) came up with the idea of "running through the T". The band didn't just happen to be out there and make a T and the players accidentally ran through it, it was a coordinated effort. It was totally artificial. Do you think the tradition at FSU of the Seminole sticking a spear in the ground happened because an actual Seminole decided to do it?!? Of course not, it was someone's idea. You just think of them differently now because of how long they have been doing it.

I think the biggest critique, and I think it is a legit one, is that our new "traditions" are so close to UT's. We are indeed copying them. The first time I saw the Buc Walk being a planned thing at Science Hill, my first thought was "oh lord, we are going to try to copy UT". When the first thing our fans think about when they think about our "tradition" is another school, its not much of value to me.

I liked the cannon after a touchdown that we did the first year (much more impactful than fireworks for a team called the Bucs), and think it would be cool to put a cannon type feature somewhere in the stadium or immediately outside. I also like the idea of the rock since it came from the site. The thing I liked the most from the first game was the band playing the alma mater to our football players in the corner after the game, in our on campus stadium. I actually felt a connection to that.

(09-14-2017 01:00 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I think the biggest critique, and I think it is a legit one, is that our new "traditions" are so close to UT's. We are indeed copying them. The first time I saw the Buc Walk being a planned thing at Science Hill, my first thought was "oh lord, we are going to try to copy UT". When the first thing our fans think about when they think about our "tradition" is another school, its not much of value to me.

You think of UT because they are the closest. Almost every school has a "walk". Just a few:

http://qctimes.com/sports/football/colle...fb68b.html

https://welcome.uga.edu/traditions.html - Dawg Walk

https://www.uhnd.com/traditions/irish-tr...ayer-walk/ - Notre Dame Player Walk

http://www.marshall.edu/history-and-trad...raditions/ - Marshall Thunder Walk

http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2...ns-to-know - WildCat Walk

You are probably right. I don't pay much attention to FBS level sports. I just hate UT and wish to separate our identity as much as possible. I do understand that the players have to get to the stadium somehow, so might as well get the fans involved. And they have to enter the stadium somehow, so might as well incorporate the band.

But let's also establish our own unique things featured around our identity. I don't care if its pirate themed due to our name, or bluegrass themed due to identity. Just something.

Not being able to be there -- where do both teams go at halftime?

(09-14-2017 01:00 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I think the biggest critique, and I think it is a legit one, is that our new "traditions" are so close to UT's. We are indeed copying them. The first time I saw the Buc Walk being a planned thing at Science Hill, my first thought was "oh lord, we are going to try to copy UT". When the first thing our fans think about when they think about our "tradition" is another school, its not much of value to me.

I liked the cannon after a touchdown that we did the first year (much more impactful than fireworks for a team called the Bucs), and think it would be cool to put a cannon type feature somewhere in the stadium or immediately outside. I also like the idea of the rock since it came from the site. The thing I liked the most from the first game was the band playing the alma mater to our football players in the corner after the game, in our on campus stadium. I actually felt a connection to that.

I think the cannon thing is another excellent idea. Heck - is the old pirate ship still extant? (I seriously doubt it - but that'd be a great frat project, or construction engineering.)
And the band playing the alma mater also is a nice touch and even inspirational. I'm on board with both of those.

(09-14-2017 02:34 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  But let's also establish our own unique things featured around our identity. I don't care if its pirate themed due to our name, or bluegrass themed due to identity. Just something.

Totally agree.

I would have the team take the field to Copperhead Road

Another point on traditions, let's start with Virginia Tech in honor of our dear legendary retired poster, TreeStreetBucs (you newbs won't know him, but he was one of the all time greats). He loves his Hokies too, but let's think about Enter Sandman. The song was released in 1991. Know when the Jokies started coming out to it? 2000. That's right, the season AFTER they made their run with Michael Vick. Know why? Because someone saw Sandman from the old Extreme Championship Wrestling come out to it at a bingo Hall in Philadelphia and thought it looked cool. The fans were going crazy, and he came out firing up the crowd. They adapted it to be stadium friendly.
South Carolina - The Gamecocks enter the field to 2001 and are so open about stealing from Ric Flair, that they've had him on the sidelines introducing the team before. Then they kickoff to the techno song Sandstorm, another "tradition."
Point is, traditions happen a number of ways. There's nothing wrong with a Buc Walk, nothing wrong with the band marching in, having rocks at the entrance for the players and fans to rub that was part of what they blasted out to build the stadium. The playing of the alma mater that everyone likes? That was stolen from Army, Navy, and just about every college in the world. The playing of the Tennessee Waltz in pregame is awesome.
Are they still doing Wagon Wheel at the end of the 3rd quarter?

At the risk of making this a dead horse (which I don't want to do because we really *could* inspire something good to happen with this)......

1. Yes, I also consider the "running through the T" totally artificial - and thus carrying almost no weight. (Hey, I must be a tough crowd.)
2. Had never heard of "Enter Sandman", but just looked it up and listened to it (well, part of it). IMO, that's ridiculous. Do you all really think they'll be doing that in 50 years still? 25 years? I'd bet a LOT of money not.
[Can't believe it's been 18 years since that great Vick team!]
3. The FSU thing is interesting. It's dramatic, carrying tons of symbolism. On that one I'd want to know more how it came about. If it was sort of an instantaneous action, or nearly so, then that's what I'd call "organic". If the AD, or some committee 'conjured' it up as an attempt to have a "tradition", then, imo, it fails. But it's so classic that I might be willing to grant an exception on that one.
4. The playing of the alma mater isn't a rip-off. It's just an integral part of college life at many/most colleges - sort of like freshman hazing used to be, or homecoming. It's even deeper than a "tradition" - or it's a different sense of that word.

I know there's plenty of room for differences of opinion on this, which is fine. But my point, I think, is valid. We need something that screams "ETSU"; that's unique; that's (again) organic; that's homegrown. Something that separates us from *everybody* else, in a distinct and positive way.

[And I think of TreeStreetBucs several times a year, esp. during basketball season (duh). A strong voice.]

(09-14-2017 03:05 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Not being able to be there -- where do both teams go at halftime?

There are two rooms set up in the old maintenance building. At this point they are entirely rudimentary – bench, hooks on the walls; only limited toilet facilities and no showers. But they are massively huge, open rooms with 30 ft (or higher ceilings), and therefore have potential to be developed into something that perfectly suits our needs, if the decision is to go that way.

How can anyone not be familiar with Enter Sandman? Jeez.