(09-03-2017 08:05 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Do you think the media guys who are predicting us to finish 8th, 9th or last are trolling?

Are we not allowed to discuss these predictions, because people are triggered?

That's completely different.

Maybe I'm not clear.
There have been several threads especially about recruits where a convo gets sidetracked cuz a troll brings up the Keelon situation, or late season swoon or more often Saul. These are unnecessary.
There are already multiple threads discussing the staff but sidetracking unrelated threads on purpose is trolling.

We can agree to disagree. It's just baffling to me that these happen consistently and without fail. Anyways...carry on!

But you do remember the Paster years...? And how the same thing happened to every thread and people complained? If we won a BB game, the Pastner haters still pointed out the flaws of the victory. I actually didn't think of that as trolling.


To me, trolling is when a fan from another team crashes our forum and loudtalks us.

Our ORG guys did it in the NCAA tourney during Pastner's time...They crashed that primitive George Washington board, using all sorts of names of posters here and trolled it badly.

I didn't even post here then, but people showed me the link. It was pretty funny.

I just don't see the need for all these Ad Hominy attacks against one another

(09-03-2017 09:02 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  I just don't see the need for all these Ad Hominy attacks against one another

lol

I finally understand that the goal is not to take anything personally.

(09-03-2017 11:39 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I finally understand that the goal is not to take anything personally.

Yup! :)

(09-03-2017 08:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 08:05 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Do you think the media guys who are predicting us to finish 8th, 9th or last are trolling?

Are we not allowed to discuss these predictions, because people are triggered?

That's completely different.

Maybe I'm not clear.
There have been several threads especially about recruits where a convo gets sidetracked cuz a troll brings up the Keelon situation, or late season swoon or more often Saul. These are unnecessary.
There are already multiple threads discussing the staff but sidetracking unrelated threads on purpose is trolling.

We can agree to disagree. It's just baffling to me that these happen consistently and without fail. Anyways...carry on!

But you do remember the Paster years...? And how the same thing happened to every thread and people complained? If we won a BB game, the Pastner haters still pointed out the flaws of the victory. I actually didn't think of that as trolling.


To me, trolling is when a fan from another team crashes our forum and loudtalks us.

Our ORG guys did it in the NCAA tourney during Pastner's time...They crashed that primitive George Washington board, using all sorts of names of posters here and trolled it badly.

I didn't even post here then, but people showed me the link. It was pretty funny.

IMO, it wasn't this bad until late year 6 and of course year 7. But not every b'ball thread got derailed as badly as every b'ball thread gets derailed now.

Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon? When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess you open yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

(09-04-2017 01:07 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

Probably more than will join your fantasy football league... lol

(09-04-2017 01:16 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:09 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:07 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

Probably more than will join your fantasy football league... lol

Truthfully, I skimmed the first few lines... There's 0 potential for tournaments this year... We even had some last year this time. it's been a long long time since there was no potential at all.

And don't be talking about my Fantasy Team Leader. He's awesome.

I named my team BAM. it's an acronym

We haven't had potential for the last three years, where have you been?

(09-04-2017 01:09 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:07 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

Probably more than will join your fantasy football league... lol

Truthfully, I skimmed the first few lines... There's 0 potential for tournaments this year... We even had 'hope' last year this time till the fateful leaving of the Lawson dad at the Hotel lol.

. It's been a long long time since there was no potential at all.

And don't be talking about my Fantasy Team Leader. He's awesome.

I named my team BAM. It's an acronym.

(09-04-2017 01:20 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:09 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:07 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

Probably more than will join your fantasy football league... lol

Truthfully, I skimmed the first few lines... There's 0 potential for tournaments this year... We even had 'hope' last year this time till the fateful leaving of the Lawson dad at the Hotel lol.

. It's been a long long time since there was no potential at all.

And don't be talking about my Fantasy Team Leader. He's awesome.

I named my team BAM. It's an acronym.

Poor Keelon, now he's at the Roach Motel (Terninix)... lol

(09-04-2017 01:09 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:07 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon. When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess youbopen yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Nobody's going to read all that mess.

Get on the Tubby Train, boa.

Woot woot.

#GTG

#GOTUBBYGO

#GWIOGHWI

Probably more than will join your fantasy football league... lol

Didn't flinch.

Tubby Train, boa.

Tubby Train.

Woot woot.

(09-03-2017 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 11:32 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  BS
It's acceptable to have any type of discussions. But inserting unrelated topics just to bash in unrelated threads is not really meant to have discussions but to unnecessarily flame, e.g. the Vanover thread.

The hiring of Pierre and it's ramifications especially in light of better alternatives is definitely within the scope and spirit of the thread topic and well within the common norm here of acceptable topic deviation.

Of course, you are welcome to your own opinion on the subject.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Oh boy, the programs been in the dumpster for years. That's why people aren't buying tickets.

You guys keep harping on someone's recruiting ranking. We've had phenomenal classes for years, but what do we have to show for it? Either they were over ranked or under coached. And, how many of these prize recruits left for various reasons? We've had two "one and dones" in the last ten years or so (Rose and Evans). The others needed four years to develop. Needless to say, a lot of them took their experience with them to other schools.

The luster is gone. Local kids don't want to come here. These kids were about 8 years old since we've done anything. So you expect it to turn around overnight? I'm not going to say a select few wouldn't get us on the map quicker than Tubby, but unfortunately, those guys didn't want to come here either.

Tubby got TT in the tourney in year three. I'd say that's a very reasonable expectation here too.

So 89 in the RPI in 2015 with 14,000 tickets sold is in the dumpster for years?

Quote:Local kids don't want to come here.

Martin and Rivers are here.

Quote:And, how many of these prize recruits left for various reasons?

How many times did 75% of the roster transfer out?

Quote:These kids were about 8 years old since we've done anything.

Using your definition we haven't done anything since 2009 and Tubby hasn't done anything since 2005. Thank you and your confused soul for winning the argument for me.

Game, set, match.

(09-04-2017 01:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Maybe so. It was pretty bad, because I came here when almost every thread morphed into a bash Pastner thread. I was a defender of the faith then. lol.
Pastner was always saying or doing something goofy too, so he was easy pickins.

But we still weren't ever picked to finish 8th, 9th or Last

That was very sobering.

Yeah, we were picked to do better. Then we didn't. Remember preseason rankings?

I'm not a bash Pastner guy at all. I think he did a pretty decent job early on, but could never get over the hump. His last two years were lousy and his best asset (recruiting) really went downhill. Just think if he didn't pay Keelon's blackmail.

He just stayed too long. He ran off the local kids. Word got out from former players to avoid Memphis. Attendance dropped off big time.

He needed a change and so did Memphis. I think GT is getting a more experienced coach and he can start up recruiting in a new school and the best conference in basketball. I think he'll do well at GT. I hope he does, I've got to say I genuinely liked the guy. I really wanted him to succeed here, just as I'd like to see Tubby succeed here.

I get it with Tubby. He isn't what we were hoping for. But those guys declined the job here. People here were talking up guys like Andy Kennedy, Bruce Pearl, and Steve Forbes. I'd take Tubby over any of them. I'll say he came into to a difficult situation. He had to hire an assistant he didn't want to field a team. I believe he thought he came up with a compromise, giving him a lesser job but giving him a nice pay raise. Well, it didn't work. I think they quit on the team late in the season, and I don't care how good they are, I'd kick them to the curb in a heartbeat. What was going to be the next reason for things to go bad with Keelon? When you are relying on a serial extorter to provide 40% of your offense, well I guess you open yourself up to that kind of thing.

So, I get the mass departures. After the Lawson's left, I really didn't care much if the other guys stayed or moved on. Markel found other opportunities, and I would have done the same thing if I were him. He isn't a guy that's going to dominate many games, so I don't think he would have been able to carry this team to more victories. So, in the end, it gives more playing time to the new guys. I could care less about the rest of them, none looked like they were going to be standout players.

I'm still thinking better than .500. A team that will play more physical and work hard. We need a few of the new guys to be good D1 players or 2018 will be another down year. If that's the case, I'd say Tubby will be gone after year 3.

Quote:His last two years were lousy.

His second to last season was better than Tubby last season, will be better than Tubby this season, and Tubby has had multiple seasons where he was inferior to a year that you call "lousy."

There must be two of you using the same ID, because you seem to be arguing with each other. One of you keeps posting stuff in agreement with me that makes your pro Tubby position look foolish.

(09-04-2017 12:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 11:32 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  BS
It's acceptable to have any type of discussions. But inserting unrelated topics just to bash in unrelated threads is not really meant to have discussions but to unnecessarily flame, e.g. the Vanover thread.

The hiring of Pierre and it's ramifications especially in light of better alternatives is definitely within the scope and spirit of the thread topic and well within the common norm here of acceptable topic deviation.

Of course, you are welcome to your own opinion on the subject.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Oh boy, the programs been in the dumpster for years. That's why people aren't buying tickets.

You guys keep harping on someone's recruiting ranking. We've had phenomenal classes for years, but what do we have to show for it? Either they were over ranked or under coached. And, how many of these prize recruits left for various reasons? We've had two "one and dones" in the last ten years or so (Rose and Evans). The others needed four years to develop. Needless to say, a lot of them took their experience with them to other schools.

The luster is gone. Local kids don't want to come here. These kids were about 8 years old since we've done anything. So you expect it to turn around overnight? I'm not going to say a select few wouldn't get us on the map quicker than Tubby, but unfortunately, those guys didn't want to come here either.

Tubby got TT in the tourney in year three. I'd say that's a very reasonable expectation here too.

So 89 in the RPI in 2015 with 14,000 tickets sold is in the dumpster for years?

Quote:Local kids don't want to come here.

Martin and Rivers are here.

Quote:And, how many of these prize recruits left for various reasons?

How many times did 75% of the roster transfer out?

Quote:These kids were about 8 years old since we've done anything.

Using your definition we haven't done anything since 2009 and Tubby hasn't done anything since 2005. Thank you and your confused soul for winning the argument for me.

Game, set, match.

Nice try sparky...

Yeah, I'd say Pastner left a mess...

http://www.dailyhelmsman.com/sports/low-...f0f69.html

I can post more if you like.

Taking over two loser programs and getting them to the tournament looks decent to me. If it's so easy to win at Minn, why hasn't any other coached notched a win in 20 years? Looks like he took over 2 teams that had approx 10 win seasons and brought them to the tourney.

Memphis may have been the hottest program in the nation when Pastner took over. Of course attendance was high for awhile. Do yourself a favor and read the helmsman article. No energy, doesn't seem like Tiger basketball anymore. Sound familiar? If Memphis was happy with the state of the program, why did they try so hard to get rid of him?

Checkmate...

Those are the students speaking. I'm wondering how many TSF folks have already left and are still abandoning ship.


At this point, it matters very little how we got here--we just gotta get out.

My niece, avid BB fan, worked on the Helmsman when Cal and Pastner were here.

Tubby momentarily got her attention.

(09-02-2017 08:30 PM)nutbushtiger Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 07:22 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 03:05 PM)nutbushtiger Wrote:  Josh Pastner proved his record was a bunch of cream puff CUSA wins and OOC slaw. Every time he played anyone in the top half of a P5 OOC and in the tourney he would get smoked. He proved his record was all CUSA when we joined the AAC, he still had a team that would have slaughtered CUSA and still couldn't do dick with it in what was only a little better competition. Only conclusion I can come up with is Pastner might not have made a couple of the tourney he made if he had to go through a P5 schedule, he proved it every time he had to play. So Stammers is full of beans and would argue with a dustpan.

Like the time we beat the #7 ranked Louisville team? Twice in one season. You mean like that?

Come on man, that was the outlier not the norm, he does that a few more times we ain't even talking about Tubby Smith right now. Tubby Smith might be a mistake but if we gave Pastner 7 years, I can wait a couple more on Tubby. Once again we ain't talkin about Tubby if Pastner doesn't muck up his last few years, I wish he hadn't but he did. I will bow out now, nobody is changing anyone's minds, can't wait for the season to find out.

There are two seasons that are outliers; 2008 and 2014. They also happen to be the only seasons that Pastner OR Cal did well against ranked teams. Cal only had 2 seasons above .500 against the top 50 of the RPI, 2006 and 2008. The other 7 seasons he was a combined 19-37 record against them, and overall in 9 years he was 43-44 against them.

During Cal's run from 2006-09 he was 30-12 against the top 50 or 71.4%, otherwise he was 13-32 or 28.9%. At Kentucky, with similar teams he is 73-29 against them or 71.6%.

Pastner is 22-44 in his 8 years or 34.4% overall.

The bottom line is that it is very difficult to win games against top 50 and ranked teams when you get very few of them, almost none at home, and almost none at home after Christmas. When Pastner and Cal had similar teams, they performed at a very similar level at Memphis.

(09-04-2017 01:02 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Those are the students speaking. I'm wondering how many TSF folks have already left and are still abandoning ship.


At this point, it matters very little how we got here--we just gotta get out.

My niece, avid BB fan, worked on the Helmsman when Cal and Pastner were here.

Tubby momentarily got her attention.

I could post Commercial Appeal articles too. I'd rather focus on the future, but there are some that want to try and cherry pick stats to try and prove their point. My point: Tubby didn't put us in the dumpster...

Moving forward: Tubby was Sporting News COY in 2016 for rebuilding Texas Tech. Brought them from awful to the NCAA in 3 years. He brought Minn from 9 wins to the tourney in 3 years. So why can't he do it here in 3?

Maybe that's why I have some optimism.