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Link per chicagocitywire.com: Chicago State to start football

Not only football, but we’re also talking about expanding our cheer program and also a marching band to go along with the football program, so (the plan) would be to bring all three in.
But as far as the football aspect, there’s a lot of football players that are in the Chicagoland area, in the joining states, who after high school, don’t get the opportunity to play Division I football.
We’ve done some research on Butler University, (Valparaiso) University – universities whose teams are in our area, and we’d like to just follow the model that they have already put in place where both of them are playing Division 1 football, and what they’re doing in a league called the Pioneer (Football) League, (which) is a Division I football league that’s non-scholarship.

Just wave the white flag already

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I thought they were broke?

(05-15-2017 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]

Absolutely hilarious!!!

sounds like a plan to get more students enrolled. They must know something about the budget for them to get this planned out. Playing in the Pioneer League would be good for them.

LOL, the whole thing is a scheme dreamed up by former interim President Cecil Lucy to counter his own financial assistant suggesting Chicago State reclassify to a lower division in line with finances. The idea is non-scholarship football would attract boys who want to play football and would thus pay tuition (well at CSU that is roughly 95% state funds, one way or the other) and thus increase attendance by 100 students.

It's DOA with the new President, Chief Analysts, and Board. The AD has the title "interim" meaning they don't plan to hire one.

Oh yeah, they're "talking about it" over there.

And maybe if you listen to the nice violin music on the deck of the Titanic, you might not notice you're sinking into freezing waters to certain death.

Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

"What the costs are going to be on our end is the insurance, of course, which is a hefty cost when you talk about the concussion deal. So our costs will be that, equipment and travel. But when you talk about the revenue (it) would bring in…because when you talk about the costs and putting a staff together, what you’re bringing in is going to cover the costs because you’re talking about bring in 100 to 120 football students, athlete students playing and staying in the dorm…roughly $20,000 a year.

When you do the math on that, it would cover itself and more with just enrollment, tuition and then room and board."

There's a lot of inaccurate information from this quote. The costs of the staff would not be able to be covered by the revenue, not unless you're paying the coaches on whatever is expected to be made from games. The other factor is the location of where they play. They aren't building a new stadium for Chicago State, so they need to rent a facility to get that done. Then, the concussion insurance, equipment and travel are not one-time payments. They are yearly and repeated costs.

There's is a whole lot of fail with Chicago State. This is just another glaring example of why the university cannot continue to function the way it is. No reason to have taxpayer money continue to fund this institution - least of all for college football.

(05-15-2017 12:50 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]"What the costs are going to be on our end is the insurance, of course, which is a hefty cost when you talk about the concussion deal. So our costs will be that, equipment and travel. But when you talk about the revenue (it) would bring in…because when you talk about the costs and putting a staff together, what you’re bringing in is going to cover the costs because you’re talking about bring in 100 to 120 football students, athlete students playing and staying in the dorm…roughly $20,000 a year.

When you do the math on that, it would cover itself and more with just enrollment, tuition and then room and board."

There's a lot of inaccurate information from this quote. The costs of the staff would not be able to be covered by the revenue, not unless you're paying the coaches on whatever is expected to be made from games. The other factor is the location of where they play. They aren't building a new stadium for Chicago State, so they need to rent a facility to get that done. Then, the concussion insurance, equipment and travel are not one-time payments. They are yearly and repeated costs.

There's is a whole lot of fail with Chicago State. This is just another glaring example of why the university cannot continue to function the way it is. No reason to have taxpayer money continue to fund this institution - least of all for college football.

Non scholarship football isn't that expensive. Lots of non-scholarship programs have costs <$500,000. At Valpo, operating expenses for football are about $3500 per athlete or around $340,000. Butler spends about $2600 per athlete or around $295,000 per year. So, 100 students would bring in $800,000 to $1.2 million in tuition and fees. at Chicago State I am sure they would get some sponsorships, etc. too. Frankly, there is virtually no added cost to the university for having an extra 100 kids attend class. So, the extra tuition and fees is pure gravy for the schools.

There are a number of D-3 schools that have added football over the years to increase enrollment. It has been a huge success. George Fox University claims their new D-3 football team adds about $2.5 million in revenue for the school, which way surpasses the cost of the program. Enrollment went up over 10% at the College of Idaho after adding football.

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

(05-15-2017 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

They can't shut down. They are actually an unofficial HBCU school which the majority of students are African American. There will be hell raise by African American leaders if the school was forced to shut down. It would be like trying to shut down or merged the HBCU schools down in the southern states.

(05-15-2017 02:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

They can't shut down. They are actually an unofficial HBCU school which the majority of students are African American. There will be hell raise by African American leaders if the school was forced to shut down. It would be like trying to shut down or merged the HBCU schools down in the southern states.

There's been 3 HBCU's that closed their doors in the last 15 years. So they're not sacrosanct.

None of those were public though. But then again, Chicago State isn't an actual HBCU.

(05-15-2017 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

Chicago State may well indeed shut down, but it won't be this year. They'll get enough help to sustain them for a while. The Football Team, Cheer squad and Band may help.

(05-15-2017 02:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

They can't shut down. They are actually an unofficial HBCU school which the majority of students are African American. There will be hell raise by African American leaders if the school was forced to shut down. It would be like trying to shut down or merged the HBCU schools down in the southern states.

Please explain what an unofficial HBCU is.


...I'll hang I'll and listen. ?

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It's a bold strategy Cotton let's see how it pays off for em.

Shut down EIU and give the money to Chicago St.

No football. Just market the beautiful hoops gym and how NMSU/GCU/Bakersfield roll into town...for 10 bucks!

(05-15-2017 06:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]Shut down EIU and give the money to Chicago St.

No football. Just market the beautiful hoops gym and how NMSU/GCU/Bakersfield roll into town...for 10 bucks!

What the Hell are you talking about?

(05-15-2017 02:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 02:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2017 12:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Other schools added football, and got a bounce in students enrollment. It might work for Chicago State because you do not know.

The school will possibly shut down this year David. Their athletics are toast, just a matter of what day it's announced.

They can't shut down. They are actually an unofficial HBCU school which the majority of students are African American. There will be hell raise by African American leaders if the school was forced to shut down. It would be like trying to shut down or merged the HBCU schools down in the southern states.

There's been 3 HBCU's that closed their doors in the last 15 years. So they're not sacrosanct.

None of those were public though. But then again, Chicago State isn't an actual HBCU.

Nope, which means they don't have that card to play.