A new Substack out from Seymour Hersch indicates that former President Barack Obama and VP Kamala Harris, now presumptive Democrat nominee for president, threatened sitting President Joe Biden with the potential invocation of the 25th Amendment if he didn't drop out the presidential race and cede that spot to the veep. This would mean that not only did they force Biden out of the race, but that the Democrats know full well that Biden isn't fit to serve out the rest of his term, but are comfortable letting him continued as a figure head if it serves their efforts to retain power for the party.

By Saturday, July 20," Hersch writes, "former President Barack Obama was deeply involved, and there was talk that he would place a call to Biden. It was not clear whether Biden had been examined or just what happened to him in Las Vegas. 'The Big Three,' the official said, referring to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, continued to be directly involved. 'On Sunday morning,' the official told me, with the approval of Pelosi and Schumer, 'Obama called Biden after breakfast and said, ‘Here’s the deal. We have Kamala’s approval to invoke the 25th Amendment.' The amendment provides that when the president is determined by the vice president and others to be unfit to carry out the powers and duties of his office, the vice president shall assume those duties."

"'It was clear at this point,' the official said," per Hersch, "'that she would get the nod'—that is, the support to run for the presidency in the November election. 'But Obama also made it clear,' the official said, 'that he was not going to immediately endorse her. But the group had decided that her work as a prosecutor would help her deal with Trump in a debate.'

The official, who has decades of experience in fundraising, told me that Obama emerged as the strongman throughout the negotiations. 'He had an agenda and he wanted to seek it through to the end, and he wanted to have control over who would be elected.'"

https://thepostmillennial.com/seymour-he...ropped-out

And that's how the cow ate the cabbage.

Biden* was definitely regressing mentally due to his advancing Alzheimer's. Of course, once Harris is named the Dem candidate at their convention in late August, I suspect the Dems will PROCEED with implementing the 25th Amendment upon their return in September and pushing Biden* out the door.

Section 4 is the most controversial part of the 25th Amendment: It permits the vice president and either the Cabinet or a body approved “by law” formed by Congress, to jointly agree that “the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” In theory, this clause was designed to deal with a situation where an incapacitated president could not tell Congress that the vice president needed to act on his behalf. It has never been invoked yet.

Regardless of the reason to invoke the 25th Amendment, Congress set a high bar to allow its use. Once the vice president and either the Cabinet or a body approved by Congress agree to invoke the amendment, the vice president is allowed immediately to “assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

The president can notify Congress that “no inability exists” and he “shall resume the powers and duties of his office” unless the vice president and the Cabinet or body formed by Congress jointly object.

If not in session, Congress is required to convene within 48 hours once the 25th Amendment is invoked. When in session, Congress has 21 days to settle the question if the president notifies Congress in writing that no inability exists.

The vice president and the Cabinet or disability body have four days to file an objection to the president’s declaration within that 21-day time frame. If no objection is filed, the president resumes his duties.

If the president’s declaration is contested, two-thirds of the House and Senate must agree to allow the vice president to act as president until the president is considered able to serve, and the president can file another declaration about his ability to serve after Congress votes on the question.

Successfully exercising the 25th Amendment would do two things:
1. Harris would be sworn in as POTUS and guarantees her place in US history as the FIRST female POTUS.
2. Once Kamala is POTUS, the 25th Amendment process takes up a LOT of time if the various objections and Congressional reviews play out to the max. Keep in mind all other business is pushed aside. Harris would state she is too busy to debate Trump at all.

We shall see how things transpire....

Hersh also got the word that if Kamala doesn’t do well enough in the polls that she could be yanked before the convention

So long Hersh, you had a good life on this earth. Dead man walking, now.

That's your democrat party folks.

You are good until you are no longer of any use to them. Then they ditch you like a bag of trash.

Biden* and/or his handlers (aka shadow g'ment) aren't quite as astute as they should be.


I would've said, "Go for it."


We all know there's no way 2/3 of Congress would vote to oust him. Heck, the GOP would've voted in his favor.

(07-28-2024 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Biden* and/or his handlers (aka shadow g'ment) aren't quite as astute as they should be.


I would've said, "Go for it."


We all know there's no way 2/3 of Congress would vote to oust him. Heck, the GOP would've voted in his favor.

You know, I was thinking that very thing.

But I'll bet that they told gramps that if they even suspect he would blow the whistle on them he or somebody he loves would end up like the friends of the Clintons or Obama's gay chef.

(07-28-2024 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Biden* and/or his handlers (aka shadow g'ment) aren't quite as astute as they should be.


I would've said, "Go for it."


We all know there's no way 2/3 of Congress would vote to oust him. Heck, the GOP would've voted in his favor.

if they tried then no doubt Dr Jill would spill the beans on Kamala’s involvement and try to take her down with them

So Obama plays to win

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(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win

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You can call it that. I call it illegal election interference.

Seymour Hirsch sounds like an underworld character from a Guy Ritchey movie.

(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win

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Yep. Chicago politics at its worst.

(07-28-2024 12:57 PM)boss man Wrote:  And that's how the cow ate the cabbage.

Biden* was definitely regressing mentally due to his advancing Alzheimer's. Of course, once Harris is named the Dem candidate at their convention in late August, I suspect the Dems will PROCEED with implementing the 25th Amendment upon their return in September and pushing Biden* out the door.

Section 4 is the most controversial part of the 25th Amendment: It permits the vice president and either the Cabinet or a body approved “by law” formed by Congress, to jointly agree that “the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” In theory, this clause was designed to deal with a situation where an incapacitated president could not tell Congress that the vice president needed to act on his behalf. It has never been invoked yet.

Regardless of the reason to invoke the 25th Amendment, Congress set a high bar to allow its use. Once the vice president and either the Cabinet or a body approved by Congress agree to invoke the amendment, the vice president is allowed immediately to “assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

The president can notify Congress that “no inability exists” and he “shall resume the powers and duties of his office” unless the vice president and the Cabinet or body formed by Congress jointly object.

If not in session, Congress is required to convene within 48 hours once the 25th Amendment is invoked. When in session, Congress has 21 days to settle the question if the president notifies Congress in writing that no inability exists.

The vice president and the Cabinet or disability body have four days to file an objection to the president’s declaration within that 21-day time frame. If no objection is filed, the president resumes his duties.

If the president’s declaration is contested, two-thirds of the House and Senate must agree to allow the vice president to act as president until the president is considered able to serve, and the president can file another declaration about his ability to serve after Congress votes on the question.

Successfully exercising the 25th Amendment would do two things:
1. Harris would be sworn in as POTUS and guarantees her place in US history as the FIRST female POTUS.
2. Once Kamala is POTUS, the 25th Amendment process takes up a LOT of time if the various objections and Congressional reviews play out to the max. Keep in mind all other business is pushed aside. Harris would state she is too busy to debate Trump at all.

We shall see how things transpire....

Color me shocked! Not. We already knew years ago who was in control.

And this revelation surprises who?

(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win

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So what if it's you standing between Obama and a win?

(07-28-2024 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Biden* and/or his handlers (aka shadow g'ment) aren't quite as astute as they should be.


I would've said, "Go for it."


We all know there's no way 2/3 of Congress would vote to oust him. Heck, the GOP would've voted in his favor.

See, you need to be a GOP strategist. IIRCC, at one time you were pretty involved with the SCRP weren't you?

(07-28-2024 03:46 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win

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So what if it's you standing between Obama and a win?

He'll crack a joke and have another drink.

(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win

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Please

Obamas owners play to win

(07-28-2024 07:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 02:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  So Obama plays to win
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Please
Obamas owners play to win

Republicans need to play to win.

Joe we're gonna let you serve out the term...

(Cause if we didn't, people would see the sh*tshow Kamala is ahead of the election)