What's wrong with this?

Keep the current proposed playoff format (G5 still has access).

Have a second playoff for everyone else (P5's and G5's included).

These are the teams that finished with 9 wins last season before bowls. You really need enough slots in the G5 playoff to accommodate all 9 win teams from SBC and MWC because 9 wins subjectively defines a really good season.

11 teams + wild card

SMU
Tulane
Memphis
Liberty
NMSU
UNLV
JMU
Troy
Miami (OH)
Ohio
Toledo

(04-25-2024 01:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 01:04 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 12:44 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 11:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 11:03 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I think its about how its done:

If it replaces our current playoff access? NO.

If it is a play in to determine who get the playoff spot NO

If it is run like an NIT essentially allowing the next 8 best G5 teams to face each other in a mini tournament for $ instead of sending our champ to the Camelia Bowl on a Wednesday Afternoon to play Toledo? YES

4 team play-in tournament is really the only way it makes sense in terms of being a real money making venture. Essentially they'd be like the play in games for the NCAA tournament, which rate and draw far more interest than NIT because winning them matters and impacts the real tournament. If you could just replace the conference championship games with the first round of the play in tournament you'd actually only be adding 1 more game overall to the schedule.

A play in tournament actually seems like a great idea for the G5 in terms of competing for a CFP spot. Should be the 4 highest ranked G5s up to that point. Takes the reigns a bit from a clueless CFP committee that could care less about the quality of the G5 representative. Only way to really ensure some quality control over the one precious spot we are allotted.

Now this is something that would create great interest if all the G5s could work together. Sell the naming rights of both games and winner heads to the big Playoff.

Too many games in my opinion. If you are going to do it you would have to include all the G5 leagues. Winner of 4 vs 5 plays 1, 2 plays 3, winners play for CFP. Potentially 3 extra games just to turn around and play another game in the CFP. That is after a CCG to get to that point. Then if the G5 rep advances... Player safety has to factor in at some point. Can't expect teams to play 17+ games a season.

Semifinals replaces the CCG
Only extra game is the Championship.

If a league doesn't have a team in the top 4 rankings of G5s at the end of the season , great chance your conference should definitely not be there. I don't ever foresee any undefeated or 1 loss squads ever not being in the top 4 of G5. If oddities arise, maybe it places more emphasis on OOC scheduling, as should be the case.

https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/283642

It just doesn't feel like cutting the CCG's is the right way to solve the problem. You end up with the same problem of who is really "worthy", except instead of SBC fans arguing with CUSA/Liberty fans about the CFP spot, it will be SBC East fans arguing that the SBC West champ played an easier schedule than their champ, or vice versa.
Too many teams in similar situations most seasons (2-3 losses depending on SOS), it would be very rare for more than one or two "G" conferences to even have an undefeated or single loss team in the same season. Not to mention that media partners put a bit of value on the CCGs and not all the rights are held by the same outlet so combining them into a playoff leaves someone in the cold.

(04-25-2024 01:56 PM)TTT Wrote:  What's wrong with this?

Keep the current proposed playoff format (G5 still has access).

Have a second playoff for everyone else (P5's and G5's included).

“What’s the point of this?” is the bigger question.

We’re already seeing the effects of a “CFP or nothing” mindset. How many people are realistically going to want to watch a weeks-long battle for the title of “Best Left Out Football Team?” At least a bowl game only requires one evening or afternoon of one’s attention.

(04-25-2024 02:08 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 01:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 01:04 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 12:44 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 11:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  4 team play-in tournament is really the only way it makes sense in terms of being a real money making venture. Essentially they'd be like the play in games for the NCAA tournament, which rate and draw far more interest than NIT because winning them matters and impacts the real tournament. If you could just replace the conference championship games with the first round of the play in tournament you'd actually only be adding 1 more game overall to the schedule.

A play in tournament actually seems like a great idea for the G5 in terms of competing for a CFP spot. Should be the 4 highest ranked G5s up to that point. Takes the reigns a bit from a clueless CFP committee that could care less about the quality of the G5 representative. Only way to really ensure some quality control over the one precious spot we are allotted.

Now this is something that would create great interest if all the G5s could work together. Sell the naming rights of both games and winner heads to the big Playoff.

Too many games in my opinion. If you are going to do it you would have to include all the G5 leagues. Winner of 4 vs 5 plays 1, 2 plays 3, winners play for CFP. Potentially 3 extra games just to turn around and play another game in the CFP. That is after a CCG to get to that point. Then if the G5 rep advances... Player safety has to factor in at some point. Can't expect teams to play 17+ games a season.

Semifinals replaces the CCG
Only extra game is the Championship.

If a league doesn't have a team in the top 4 rankings of G5s at the end of the season , great chance your conference should definitely not be there. I don't ever foresee any undefeated or 1 loss squads ever not being in the top 4 of G5. If oddities arise, maybe it places more emphasis on OOC scheduling, as should be the case.

https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/283642

Slight cherry picking but is 10 of the top 27 returning G5 teams being in the SBC any good? 37% with 5 conferences.

Does post season college football really mean anything when many players sit out the games? They don't care, why should I?

(04-26-2024 12:15 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Does post season college football really mean anything when many players sit out the games? They don't care, why should I?

Excellent point! if i could give you cred points, I would.

(04-26-2024 06:51 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 12:15 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Does post season college football really mean anything when many players sit out the games? They don't care, why should I?

Excellent point! if i could give you cred points, I would.

I gave them for you

(04-26-2024 12:15 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Does post season college football really mean anything when many players sit out the games? They don't care, why should I?

It feels like one way to improve that problem is to come up with a playoff that includes all conference champs, or to up the ante on bowl game payouts to include NIL payments to participants.

(04-25-2024 01:48 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 01:43 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  The team that finishes with 10 wins but misses the G5 play in bracket will be pissed that regular bowl games were replaced by this and they sit home.

The team that wins 10 games and makes the G5 playoff and wins the whole thing over a 12 win team to go to the big boy playoff will rejoice!

The 12 win team will be pissed that such a play in bracket existed when they were the G5 front runner if such a bracket didn’t exist.

1.) Why would they miss their bowl game?

2.) In what realistic world, would a 12 win G5 school not be in the top 4 of G5 rankings?

3.) If you played a cupcake schedule all season, I'd be pissed too. How do we ensure you are the best representative for the G5?

The other thing to point out is that this would be independent of the current College Football Playoff, so we would likely be able to seed such a tournament with a committee that is more uh...fair.

(04-26-2024 08:23 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 12:15 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Does post season college football really mean anything when many players sit out the games? They don't care, why should I?

It feels like one way to improve that problem is to come up with a playoff that includes all conference champs, or to up the ante on bowl game payouts to include NIL payments to participants.

I agree, we need to figure out a way to keep players from sitting out. Coaches get incentives for making and winning a bowl game. Why can't we do the same for players? But I can see them faking injuries to sit out. Lord we have a whole generation of whimps out there. LOL

(04-23-2024 01:36 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

There needs to be regulation if we separate. Programs like Vandy and lower tier P4's are going to hate having to play 9-10 P4 games. Half of the P4 is going to get eaten alive if there is a total separation. Make no mistake though people are not going to be as interested in basically FCS 2.0. I doubt ESPN will be either. If you think our casual fans are going to give two craps about winning the little brother NC I got news for ya coming from the second best FCS program in the history of the FCS/1-AA. There was zero momentum and growth after the fourth NC.

As long as there remains a path to the big super league I am fine with a separation I guess but the the Belt is nipping on the heel of the ACC. What is sad is there is enough G5 programs that could form a good league but due to hard headed fools, lame grudges, politics, and misplaced loyalty it will never happen. For schools like GS that still are growing like crazy in a state that it exploding it is just not fair for the bottom of the P4 be in just due to joining a conference 40+ years ago.

(04-26-2024 10:44 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-23-2024 01:36 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

There needs to be regulation if we separate. Programs like Vandy and lower tier P4's are going to hate having to play 9-10 P4 games. Half of the P4 is going to get eaten alive if there is a total separation.

As long as there remains a path to the big super league I am fine with a separation. For schools like GS that still are growing like crazy in a state that it exploding it is just not fair for the bottom of the P4 be in just due to joining a conference 40+ years ago.

This is one of the reasons why I don’t think a total separation is happening or really even feasible. forget the low hanging fruit of vandy, Minnesota literally had to scrape by to get a bowl game, and even then barely beat Bowling Green. As much as I hate to say it, South Carolina really does need a G5 and FCS team to even have winning seasons for the past few years. This idea right here should be plenty enough reason to convince any media companies to keep the group of five around or at least the best group of five conferences around just due to the fact that you would have a LOT of free loaders

(04-26-2024 10:48 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 10:44 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-23-2024 01:36 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

There needs to be regulation if we separate. Programs like Vandy and lower tier P4's are going to hate having to play 9-10 P4 games. Half of the P4 is going to get eaten alive if there is a total separation.

As long as there remains a path to the big super league I am fine with a separation. For schools like GS that still are growing like crazy in a state that it exploding it is just not fair for the bottom of the P4 be in just due to joining a conference 40+ years ago.

This is one of the reasons why I don’t think a total separation is happening or really even feasible. forget the low hanging fruit of vandy, Minnesota literally had to scrape by to get a bowl game, and even then barely beat Bowling Green. As much as I hate to say it, South Carolina really does need a G5 and FCS team to even have winning seasons for the past few years. This idea right here should be plenty enough reason to convince any media companies to keep the group of five around or at least the best group of five conferences around just due to the fact that you would have a LOT of free loaders

Lots of free loaders in the G5 as well. I may have overestimated how hard the FBS journey was going to be but we made it harder on ourselves more than anything with all time horrid coaching hires back to back. If we manage to keep Fritz somehow or hire actual qualified coaches no telling where we could be. Even with that we have been 6-6 or better in the regular season the majority of our time in the FBS and done well OOC. But a lot of programs that have been in DIV 1-A/FBS since the 1-A/1-AA separation or soon there after are basically pulling the whole G5 down. I get not wanting to move back down but I respect what Idaho did. I mean CUSA is a complete joke outside of Liberty same for the MAC. The MAC just rotates who is going to suck less every year and not really having UCF type conference leaders. MW as solid as they are has basically peaked, Boise and others are banging their heads on the G5 ceiling. Honestly if you have only a handful at best .500 or better regular seasons in the last 20 years what is the point of staying? There could be a great regional league formed with the AAC if you shook off the dead weight of the multi decade bad teams I am talking about. Don't take this as me saying GS is a top tier team right now just saying we are at least pulling our weight for the most part and will continue to grow. Same for the majority of Sun Belt schools.

(04-26-2024 11:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 10:48 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 10:44 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-23-2024 01:36 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

There needs to be regulation if we separate. Programs like Vandy and lower tier P4's are going to hate having to play 9-10 P4 games. Half of the P4 is going to get eaten alive if there is a total separation.

As long as there remains a path to the big super league I am fine with a separation. For schools like GS that still are growing like crazy in a state that it exploding it is just not fair for the bottom of the P4 be in just due to joining a conference 40+ years ago.

This is one of the reasons why I don’t think a total separation is happening or really even feasible. forget the low hanging fruit of vandy, Minnesota literally had to scrape by to get a bowl game, and even then barely beat Bowling Green. As much as I hate to say it, South Carolina really does need a G5 and FCS team to even have winning seasons for the past few years. This idea right here should be plenty enough reason to convince any media companies to keep the group of five around or at least the best group of five conferences around just due to the fact that you would have a LOT of free loaders

Lots of free loaders in the G5 as well. I may have overestimated how hard the FBS journey was going to be but we made it harder on ourselves more than anything with all time horrid coaching hires back to back. If we manage to keep Fritz somehow or hire actual qualified coaches no telling where we could be. Even with that we have been 6-6 or better in the regular season the majority of our time in the FBS and done well OOC. But a lot of programs that have been in DIV 1-A/FBS since the 1-A/1-AA separation or soon there after are basically pulling the whole G5 down. I get not wanting to move back down but I respect what Idaho did. I mean CUSA is a complete joke outside of Liberty same for the MAC. The MAC just rotates who is going to suck less every year and not really having UCF type conference leaders. MW as solid as they are has basically peaked, Boise and others are banging their heads on the G5 ceiling. Honestly if you have only a handful at best .500 or better regular seasons in the last 20 years what is the point of staying? There could be a great regional league formed with the AAC if you shook off the dead weight of the multi decade bad teams I am talking about. Don't take this as me saying GS is a top tier team right now just saying we are at least pulling our weight for the most part and will continue to grow. Same for the majority of Sun Belt schools.

https://twitter.com/CFBKings/status/1782855542177755600

CUSA has two teams on that 2nd rung, neither of them are Liberty (who you will find down at the 3 win tier along with Georgia Southern).

No, bowl wins aren't everything and mean less and less each year as more players sit out. However, winning a bowl game is usually a sign of at least a decent season.

(04-26-2024 11:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 10:48 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 10:44 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-23-2024 01:36 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

There needs to be regulation if we separate. Programs like Vandy and lower tier P4's are going to hate having to play 9-10 P4 games. Half of the P4 is going to get eaten alive if there is a total separation.

As long as there remains a path to the big super league I am fine with a separation. For schools like GS that still are growing like crazy in a state that it exploding it is just not fair for the bottom of the P4 be in just due to joining a conference 40+ years ago.

This is one of the reasons why I don’t think a total separation is happening or really even feasible. forget the low hanging fruit of vandy, Minnesota literally had to scrape by to get a bowl game, and even then barely beat Bowling Green. As much as I hate to say it, South Carolina really does need a G5 and FCS team to even have winning seasons for the past few years. This idea right here should be plenty enough reason to convince any media companies to keep the group of five around or at least the best group of five conferences around just due to the fact that you would have a LOT of free loaders

Lots of free loaders in the G5 as well. I may have overestimated how hard the FBS journey was going to be but we made it harder on ourselves more than anything with all time horrid coaching hires back to back. If we manage to keep Fritz somehow or hire actual qualified coaches no telling where we could be. Even with that we have been 6-6 or better in the regular season the majority of our time in the FBS and done well OOC. But a lot of programs that have been in DIV 1-A/FBS since the 1-A/1-AA separation or soon there after are basically pulling the whole G5 down. I get not wanting to move back down but I respect what Idaho did. I mean CUSA is a complete joke outside of Liberty same for the MAC. The MAC just rotates who is going to suck less every year and not really having UCF type conference leaders. MW as solid as they are has basically peaked, Boise and others are banging their heads on the G5 ceiling. Honestly if you have only a handful at best .500 or better regular seasons in the last 20 years what is the point of staying? There could be a great regional league formed with the AAC if you shook off the dead weight of the multi decade bad teams I am talking about. Don't take this as me saying GS is a top tier team right now just saying we are at least pulling our weight for the most part and will continue to grow. Same for the majority of Sun Belt schools.

To be completely blunt about the G5: the FBS would actually have a net benefit if most of the G5 dropped go FCS; this includes: most of not all the MAC (yes I’m aware of the few very good teams in the conference like one or two, but again unless the sun belt or the American more on that later would want to adopt some Midwestern schools I doubt Miami or Toledo would be able to hold their own weight as an independent), outside of WKU, MTSU (a stretch), NMSU, UTEP and (hear me out) liberty (a weird part of me wants FIU to be kept around because they are in a hotbed of potential but alas, no) the rest of the CUSA, a handful of AAC schools, like Tulsa, Temple, UNCC. And unfortunately for us GAST/ULM. these schools have been in the FBS for years at this point, and while some of the schools like say in the Mac, for instance, have gotten some accolades and pretty cool bowl spots either haven’t built on that or they’ve declined comically over the last 10 years.

Furthermore, even if they were doing alright, some of these programs have really ****** infrastructure or facilities, and don't really even have that much fan support. Like for instance, nothing against Tulsa personally, but this is a private school that shouldn't be said, but is drastically overshadowed by Oklahoma and OK State. That's a really big ask for anyone to try to keep that program above water in the FPS when the FCS have a ton of conferences nearby. And if these schools do drop down to the FCS, some of them might not make it, but on the other hand, you might have schools like FIU who could theoretically play in a more competitive league. Although, in FIU's case, they're in kind of a no-man's land either way you go. But, if you got rid of some of those, you can actually then basically condense a lot of media rights funding and good teams into one localized area, which makes for more exciting football.

CCU fans aren't here for the friendships, that's for sure.

(04-27-2024 09:53 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  CCU fans aren't here for the friendships, that's for sure.

Ayo My bad, pimp.

(04-24-2024 05:42 AM)GSU-Blue Wrote:  I’d be all in on an NCAA official playoff and then an also-ran playoff like the NIT.

That is a win-win to me.

Give the G5 an access slot in the big bracket. Maybe the “NIT” playoff is 12 P4s and the other 4 G5 conf winners.

Those 12 P4s are going to draw ad dollars and eyeballs, while recognizing our conference winners. Win win.

This is my favorite (doable) scenario.

(04-24-2024 01:21 PM)GSUdpb Wrote:  Who would be the best G5 team of the year? The team that makes the CFP and is beaten round 1 or the team that wins the G5 playoff?

I kinda think this would be a nice debate & it enhances the concept for me.