(04-22-2024 02:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:01 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I was hoping the b10 and sec would have already gone their own way via new league so the rest of collegiate sports can get on with doing our league

They aren't going to separate from the NCAA until the NCAA picks up a good portion of the tab for the past damages. To leave now lets the NCAA off the hook and unduly burdens them. They'll pay their share but don't want to get stuck with more. The NCAA has 2 billion in endowments built off of tourney revenue. An equitable amount will not be known until the damages amount is concrete. Then the P4 and the NCAA will pick up that bill between them.

I haven't been able to confirm that the NCAA has such an endowment. Do you have a link that will show that?

(04-22-2024 04:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 09:34 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1782230858251768126

Knowing how much TAMU is miffed about UT being admitted to the SEC, against a promise made to TAMU, I could see this being considered.

Assuming ND is not available, who would TAMU be paired with? And who would be invited to the SEC to take TAMU's spot?

The B1G has proven that they are willing to operate for long periods of time with odd numbers, why would they need to add a pairing school at this particular time?

That was before even numbers were necessary to assemble 9-game conference schedules

(04-22-2024 04:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 04:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 09:34 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1782230858251768126

Knowing how much TAMU is miffed about UT being admitted to the SEC, against a promise made to TAMU, I could see this being considered.

Assuming ND is not available, who would TAMU be paired with? And who would be invited to the SEC to take TAMU's spot?

The B1G has proven that they are willing to operate for long periods of time with odd numbers, why would they need to add a pairing school at this particular time?

That was before even numbers were necessary to assemble 9-game conference schedules

It was also before the B1G adopted a 9-game schedule. At 8 games they were able to have an odd number of members.

Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

I'm not biased in this situation, but I agree. TCU makes the most sense, if the B1G wants in Texas. TCU is a Top100 National university, in the 6th largest market in America. And, the growth of the Dallas/Fort Worth Market is showing no signs of slowing down. Plus, DFW is one of the best recruiting regions in the nation. It reminds me of the B1G's move to grab Rutgers. If I'm the Big12, I'd be a little nervous about this rumor gaining traction.

(04-22-2024 12:44 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Source (left) with Swaim (right)

(04-22-2024 06:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

I'm not biased in this situation, but I agree. TCU makes the most sense, if the B1G wants in Texas. TCU is a Top100 National university, in the 6th largest market in America. And, the growth of the Dallas/Fort Worth Market is showing no signs of slowing down. Plus, DFW is one of the best recruiting regions in the nation. It reminds me of the B1G's move to grab Rutgers. If I'm the Big12, I'd be a little nervous about this rumor gaining traction.

If you insist, we'll go.

(04-22-2024 03:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:01 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I was hoping the b10 and sec would have already gone their own way via new league so the rest of collegiate sports can get on with doing our league

They aren't going to separate from the NCAA until the NCAA picks up a good portion of the tab for the past damages. To leave now lets the NCAA off the hook and unduly burdens them. They'll pay their share but don't want to get stuck with more. The NCAA has 2 billion in endowments built off of tourney revenue. An equitable amount will not be known until the damages amount is concrete. Then the P4 and the NCAA will pick up that bill between them.

I haven't been able to confirm that the NCAA has such an endowment. Do you have a link that will show that?

They have a cash reserve for the basketball credits that are paid out over 6 years. This shows about $750M in investments. $2 billion might be conjured up based on revenue from the NCAAT contract.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/fi...tement.pdf

In the House case they appear to be going after the P5 media deals, and they will also want a cut from CFP, LLC.

It will be interesting what happens when players associations start negotiating for their cut. Football players at Alabama are going to want more than those at Vanderbilt, and they may be indifferent to the women's soccer team.

(04-22-2024 07:16 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

Twittersphere propaganda wars...

(04-22-2024 08:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:16 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

Twittersphere propaganda wars...

What is it good for?

(04-22-2024 08:29 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 08:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:16 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

Twittersphere propaganda wars...

What is it good for?

Abso-lute-ly Nothin'!

(04-22-2024 08:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 08:29 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 08:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:16 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

Twittersphere propaganda wars...

What is it good for?

Abso-lute-ly Nothin'!

Say it again.

(04-22-2024 06:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

I'm not biased in this situation, but I agree. TCU makes the most sense, if the B1G wants in Texas. TCU is a Top100 National university, in the 6th largest market in America. And, the growth of the Dallas/Fort Worth Market is showing no signs of slowing down. Plus, DFW is one of the best recruiting regions in the nation. It reminds me of the B1G's move to grab Rutgers. If I'm the Big12, I'd be a little nervous about this rumor gaining traction.

I wouldn't. TCU to the B1G is far more ridiculous than NC St to the SEC. Heck, NC St to the B1G is more realistic that TCU to the B1G. I have a ton of respect for what TCU has accomplished on the field in the past 20 years, they've picked themselves up off the mat, dusted themselves off, and went back and earned their place. They've done a fantastic job with the resources they've had at their disposal. But they're still not #1, 2, or even 3 in their region. They're somewhere between #4-#9 in Texahoma, with Texas Tech, Ok St, Baylor, UH and SMU all in that conversation, too. All 6 of them are good but not great programs, more NC St than UNC if you will. None of them comes close to the Missouri line of regional dominance, Flagship, and AAU, and they're even further behind the new UCLA Line.

(04-22-2024 07:16 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

The "3rd party" is no doubt a Texas booster who's trying to convince a few A&M recruits to move to Austin.

(04-22-2024 07:21 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 06:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

I'm not biased in this situation, but I agree. TCU makes the most sense, if the B1G wants in Texas. TCU is a Top100 National university, in the 6th largest market in America. And, the growth of the Dallas/Fort Worth Market is showing no signs of slowing down. Plus, DFW is one of the best recruiting regions in the nation. It reminds me of the B1G's move to grab Rutgers. If I'm the Big12, I'd be a little nervous about this rumor gaining traction.

If you insist, we'll go.

Rutgers is a public flagship with 500K+ living alumni and is the only P4 team in its state. TCU is a tiny private school with about 100K living alumni and a football team that isn’t the flagship in its metro area. If the B1G has done anything consistently, they’ve added large research focused public flagships…and Southern Cal, the 2nd largest private university in the U.S. that isn’t primarily online. I just don’t seem the Big Ten adding TCU.

(04-22-2024 08:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:27 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 01:13 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  If the B1G desperately wants into Texas, TCU might be their best option. Not sure if the academic and research profile fits in with the B1G as I’ve never looked.

I think a dream scenario would be for the BIG to get into Texas especially for the BIG10 TV Network, they would get "in-State" Subscription rates.

Also teaming FSU with Texas A&M would be a dream, however I am not so sure that is what is going to happen? But maybe it is and that is why Clemson is in play at the moment.

Maybe FSU & Texas A&M to BIG, and Clemson backfills Texas A&M??

I am not close enough to SEC insiders/donors to know if this is in play.

No one is moving from the SEC to the Big Ten or vice versa.

Yeah the only schools I could imagine that would give it a moment of thought aren't the schools that move the needle enough to go to war with the other.

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

Some point I guess late 80's before Arkansas left SWC, I'm in college and LSU and Texas A&M are playing Labor Day weekend and my wife and I are visiting my parents. Game is coming and my Dad says, "You know they should play each other every year because their fans are all crazy." pauses for a minute and adds "Aggies ought to see if SEC would let them join, they just belong over there." Now that was a high compliment. We pretty really ignored SWC because of Arkansas but enjoyed SEC which was nothing close to the dominant force it became.

People don't often think about the cultural fit. I mean I've been to Mizzou for games and it felt like a scaled back Chiefs game with little groups of 2-4 dudes in lawn chairs grilling on a hibachi, I mean I see bigger more involved tailgates at Arkansas State. Absolutely nothing like what you see at LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama or Auburn.

Walk on the Texas A&M campus on game day and it felt more like that SEC experience even when Aggies were decades away from moving.

If the Horns wanted in B1G they'd have joined B1G rather than SEC and B1G would've found room for OU.

Only B1G is going into Texas is by taking third choice and there just isn't a third Texas school that checks enough of the boxes.

My gut feeling is SEC will add Florida State and Clemson and then mull over UNC and maybe VPI or UVA but I don't think UVA fits and culturally NC State feels more SEC than UNC but I don't know that TV cares enough so maybe UVA and UNC to B1G and the P2 is set

(04-22-2024 11:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 06:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Will reiterate what the other A&M folks said:

-There was a small percentage of cliff jumpers when the news of OUT was announced who wanted to move but most of us understand that thanks to NIL, it’s not the old days where programs like Bama or UT were allowed to plop a bag of cash on a recruits table with impunity while the NCAA punished the rest of us for doing the same thing. Now we can plop a bag of cash as big or bigger than the one UT can and let the blue chips fall where they may.

-The B1G is an amazing conference but just as we said about the PAC all those years ago, they are not a cultural fit for Texas A&M and that’s OK.

-And yes I’m biased but TCU to the B1G would be great. They took a school who isn’t AAU so maybe they can take TCU based on its location for recruiting and being a super easy accesible half way point for non-revenue sports from opposite coasts (and having more fight per capita than it has any right to given its size)

Some point I guess late 80's before Arkansas left SWC, I'm in college and LSU and Texas A&M are playing Labor Day weekend and my wife and I are visiting my parents. Game is coming and my Dad says, "You know they should play each other every year because their fans are all crazy." pauses for a minute and adds "Aggies ought to see if SEC would let them join, they just belong over there." Now that was a high compliment. We pretty really ignored SWC because of Arkansas but enjoyed SEC which was nothing close to the dominant force it became.

People don't often think about the cultural fit. I mean I've been to Mizzou for games and it felt like a scaled back Chiefs game with little groups of 2-4 dudes in lawn chairs grilling on a hibachi, I mean I see bigger more involved tailgates at Arkansas State. Absolutely nothing like what you see at LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama or Auburn.

Walk on the Texas A&M campus on game day and it felt more like that SEC experience even when Aggies were decades away from moving.

If the Horns wanted in B1G they'd have joined B1G rather than SEC and B1G would've found room for OU.

Only B1G is going into Texas is by taking third choice and there just isn't a third Texas school that checks enough of the boxes.

My gut feeling is SEC will add Florida State and Clemson and then mull over UNC and maybe VPI or UVA but I don't think UVA fits and culturally NC State feels more SEC than UNC but I don't know that TV cares enough so maybe UVA and UNC to B1G and the P2 is set

Agreed. I don't see the B1G entering Texas unless the P2 go 28+.

I also think the SEC lands Clemson and Florida St. I also believe they'll get North Carolina. Virginia "feels" and "looks" like a B1G school. From there I think the B1G throws a line to Miami for 20. The SEC gets to 20 with Duke. The XII gets to 20 with Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina St, and Virginia Tech.

Here is where I run out of ideas. In the end, I think the Big East restarts football and adds: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Wake Forest plus California, Oregon St, Stanford, and Washington St as football-only and Notre Dame as a non-football member. The NW4 (Calford-WOSU) join the Big West. SMU is SOL but maybe they get a Big East lifeline.

SEC (16) + Clemson, Duke, Florida St, North Carolina
B1G (18) + Miami, Virginia
XII (16) + Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech

Big East
- All Sports: Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, SMU (?), Syracuse, Wake Forest
- Non-Football: Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova, Xavier
- Football-Only: California, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington St

(04-22-2024 08:29 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Let's think about this. In Texas we have

Texas
aTm
Rice
Houston
North Texas
Sam Houston
Baylor
SMU
TCU
Texas State
Texas Tech
UTEP
UTSA

Texas and aTm aren't leaving the SEC. That's just unrealistic. SMU just bought their way into the ACC and are now happily constrained by that long GoR. UTEP, Sam, and Texas State would not make the academic cut. You could probably add Tech to that. Baylor will be a 'no' for political reasons. Houston and TCU just signed the B12 GoR. They're stuck.

That leaves:
Rice


Nah, ain't happening.

(Note: I didn't bother with FCS schools. Sorry, DavidSt)

Rice
Houston
Texas Tech
North Texas
UTSA
UTEP

They are R1.
Houston, Tech and UTSA are closer to AAU status.
There are talks that Big 10 wants the Dallas media market. TCU, SMU and North Texas is in that market. Tarleton State could be close to there. Houston could jump if the price is right.