(05-04-2024 07:17 PM)CarRamrod Wrote:  It would be almost impossible to catch these since they normally operate through family members or HS coaches that have no formal affiliation with JMU. If they were dumb enough to contact these kids directly, than maybe, but I've been told this is almost always done through 3rd parties.

You are spot on...tampering runs rampant and did with most of the guys that left JMU for IU.....but like you said usually via a 3rd party and not directly. Not sure how that is not in violation of tmapering rules but it is not....go figure it is the NCAA.

(05-04-2024 10:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Dukes are the best....

That said - can't IU recruit players away from near-anyone except transitional JMU?

Pathetic to lean so hard on little old JMU...

This is exactly....it is literally the easiest and laziest thing they could do....I think it speaks volumes of their lack of ability to recruit and lack of ability to recruit to IU....only kids that seemed to bite with JMU players and JMU recruits.

(05-05-2024 07:30 AM)CarRamrod Wrote:  It'll be really interesting to see how many of our former guys stick it out there, most will have to get lower volume snaps if IU is going to be competitive this year. IU fans should be a little concerned IMO, they've really struggled getting P4 transfers and have been hitting the G5/JMU ranks continuously. They won't be able to rely on the JMU guys after this year.

Bingo!!!

This is the hard hit year for JMU....going forward JMU is Chesney and Co guys.....much harder to take away.

Look as I have said before it is clear that Cig is loading up on JMU guys in year 1 at IU to try and help build the we don't lose culture that he has had since he was at IUP. Will all of the JMU guys start at IU? No, but many of them will with Fisher being the one that may be most impactful from what I can tell. It was also telling that the two players that spoke on sideline to media at spring game where JMU guys, Fisher and Sarratt. Am I pissed that he took a bunch of our starters yes, but I completely understand why he is doing it and I agree with him that it was the right move to get the quickest turnaround possible.

(05-06-2024 09:28 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Look as I have said before it is clear that Cig is loading up on JMU guys in year 1 at IU to try and help build the we don't lose culture that he has had since he was at IUP. Will all of the JMU guys start at IU? No, but many of them will with Fisher being the one that may be most impactful from what I can tell. It was also telling that the two players that spoke on sideline to media at spring game where JMU guys, Fisher and Sarratt. Am I pissed that he took a bunch of our starters yes, but I completely understand why he is doing it and I agree with him that it was the right move to get the quickest turnaround possible.

I understand the reasoning, but I don't understand why he needed 13 of them.
Chesney is also trying to do the same thing here (to buy into what the coaches are 'selling') and only brought 3(?).
I get that JMU is a winning culture and the IU culture is not. But Cignetti has turned around a few programs and didn't need the entire returning starters to do it.
If he is such a good coach (google him) then why didn't they just buy in? And if all it took was a whole bunch of guys from the previous school then why was IU's spring game so disappointing to him?
I think this is going to be a far larger project than he thought it would be. He's expecting to win on day 1. The proof is in the things he has said.
I think he took the JMU culture for granted. I think he perhaps took too much credit for it. It was well established before he got here, yet sold it to IU like it was all his doing.
Meanwhile, Chesney is here and brought in a ton of new guys. And appears to have had a pretty successful spring season.... all done with most of the production gone.
This year could be one of the biggest seasons to show how strong the JMU culture truly is. If we don't miss a beat with all of the guys we had last year gone, it will be on full display.
Meanwhile, Cignetti at IU may very well struggle, and those guys that left may be sitting at home while we are finally getting our shot at the Sun Belt championship game and (hopefully) a spot in the CFPs.
And you don't have to go too much farther than Tucker-Dorsey's comments that JMU had a better culture than Texas. JMU hasn't moved to Indiana and neither has its culture. Even when CC was here, he said his own dad told him how special JMU was to be on the look out. He never mentioned IU.
Their loss, not ours.

(05-06-2024 09:53 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(05-06-2024 09:28 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Look as I have said before it is clear that Cig is loading up on JMU guys in year 1 at IU to try and help build the we don't lose culture that he has had since he was at IUP. Will all of the JMU guys start at IU? No, but many of them will with Fisher being the one that may be most impactful from what I can tell. It was also telling that the two players that spoke on sideline to media at spring game where JMU guys, Fisher and Sarratt. Am I pissed that he took a bunch of our starters yes, but I completely understand why he is doing it and I agree with him that it was the right move to get the quickest turnaround possible.

I understand the reasoning, but I don't understand why he needed 13 of them.
Chesney is also trying to do the same thing here (to buy into what the coaches are 'selling') and only brought 3(?).
I get that JMU is a winning culture and the IU culture is not. But Cignetti has turned around a few programs and didn't need the entire returning starters to do it.
If he is such a good coach (google him) then why didn't they just buy in? And if all it took was a whole bunch of guys from the previous school then why was IU's spring game so disappointing to him?
I think this is going to be a far larger project than he thought it would be. He's expecting to win on day 1. The proof is in the things he has said.
I think he took the JMU culture for granted. I think he perhaps took too much credit for it. It was well established before he got here, yet sold it to IU like it was all his doing.
Meanwhile, Chesney is here and brought in a ton of new guys. And appears to have had a pretty successful spring season.... all done with most of the production gone.
This year could be one of the biggest seasons to show how strong the JMU culture truly is. If we don't miss a beat with all of the guys we had last year gone, it will be on full display.
Meanwhile, Cignetti at IU may very well struggle, and those guys that left may be sitting at home while we are finally getting our shot at the Sun Belt championship game and (hopefully) a spot in the CFPs.
And you don't have to go too much farther than Tucker-Dorsey's comments that JMU had a better culture than Texas. JMU hasn't moved to Indiana and neither has its culture. Even when CC was here, he said his own dad told him how special JMU was to be on the look out. He never mentioned IU.
Their loss, not ours.

All GREAT points!!

No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

I feel fine about the OL b/c to be honest I thought they were a bit of a weak link last year and needed some re-tooling.

As for DL, that is a serious question mark and very concerned about the quality of depth along the DL.

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

I'm probably drinking the Kool Aid, but I honestly don't think this team will miss a beat.
While we haven't seen a real game, we've seen and heard from players. The fact that they are buying in and having fun is big.
What we know about the practices is probably the #1 reason I'm excited. First off, the style. He is doing things to recreate game situations. There's more than just Xs and Os and technique. Those are critically important, obviously. But the fact that Chesney puts them in big situations... those are moments that really decide games. If the team and its players can execute in those moments, that will lead to big outcomes.
Chesney seems to really want to put pressure on them in as many ways as possible.
I think teams and programs that focus on the little things are really important to get winning results. It appears that this staff is doing that. And when the players are buying in and executing at a high level, that's a great formula for success.
Time will tell if I'm overreacting, but I don't think I am this time.

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

Sadly I agree with you.

Those upgrades are pretty critical...speed? We can address that w schemes and down field BLOCKING

DB... biggest convern..oh wait, that's speed...

(05-06-2024 10:59 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

I feel fine about the OL b/c to be honest I thought they were a bit of a weak link last year and needed some re-tooling.

As for DL, that is a serious question mark and very concerned about the quality of depth along the DL.

We've been spoiled with stud DLs for the last 6-7 years. This year it seems like we will have an abundance of stud LBs so i can see them more involved instead of just banking on getting home with 4.

Not so concern with the back end. While Ponds was good statistically, I dont think anyone would argue that last years pass D was no where near a strength. Curious to see what a new scheme can bring to the table. This also makes me really miss the 2017 secondary and defense as a whole

(05-06-2024 09:28 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Look as I have said before it is clear that Cig is loading up on JMU guys in year 1 at IU to try and help build the we don't lose culture that he has had since he was at IUP.

If he's aiming for a "we don't lose" culture, that's gonna go about as well as it has for Deion over at Colorado.

If Lloyd Summerall, O'Neill, D.J. Cotton, Lockett, and Nwabuoku-Okonji play near their potential, we should be good to very good on the DL IMO. Especially with all the athletic young pups we could throw in along the DL. Nash may even get some playing time as a true freshman based on the spring reports on him. I think I am most excited if we end up with 6-8 average-to-good players than can rotate and stay fresh. I thought in the games we lost, the DL wore down due to a lack of rotation. Those guys were studs but later in the season they looked a step slow IMO.

https://twitter.com/kaiyoung__

DB grad transfer from Gardner Webb committed to JMU

Remember how it use to be a slight to be labeled "transfer U".

Now everyone is transfer u.

(05-06-2024 04:05 PM)Dukes1992! Wrote:  https://twitter.com/kaiyoung__

DB grad transfer from Gardner Webb committed to JMU

3 years as a starter at FCS, we've had luck with that type of guy.

https://gwusports.com/sports/football/ro...young/9648

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

More like 16 (in addition to the 5 senior starters lost) at least starters/2 deepers/former starters
12 of 22 starters (who started a majority of games)
3 (at least) 2 deepers who have started games in past season(s).
Don’t forget the AA long snapper

(Today 09:27 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-06-2024 10:52 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  No knock on Chesey, and I may be wrong here, but I think we are going to take a step back this year. how could we not? 13 guys - most of whom were starters off the roster?

I get that we have backed filled, but lots of question marks. we may have upgraded at LB, RB and QB, but we lost a lot at the speed postions, WR and DB. both sides of lines have taken a step back.

If we win 9 games or more, I will be very impressed with Chesney and the staying power of JMU

More like 16 (in addition to the 5 senior starters lost) at least starters/2 deepers/former starters
12 of 22 starters (who started a majority of games)
3 (at least) 2 deepers who have started games in past season(s).
Don’t forget the AA long snapper

It's obviously very hard for any of us or even supposed experts to assess this team because of the level of change and the fact that the young retained players haven't really played in games and they may be relied upon going forward. I will say that I've been impressed by the caliber of transfer that Chesney has brought in, the talent level of the HS commits retained from Cignetti and the new HS recruits he's added. In terms of stars/pedigree and level of offers received, players are more talented than ever, it would seem. The current recruiting coordinator, DeMichele?, has praised the talent level of the HS kids in particular. Where there was retention on the team is on the offensive line, perhaps the area of any football team that requires the most reps together. And he's made significant additions on the offensive line thru transfers, plus some impressive HS kids coming in there. I would point to depth on defensive line and in WR room as perhaps the areas of biggest concern, along with backup QB. We might just find that this team will be fine in the final analysis, but will need time at the beginning of the season to gel together. Meanwhile, the out of conference schedule is manageable and two of their toughest SB opponents are at the back end of the schedule. That college football playoff positioning, however, will probably require a perfect record for consideration, as Chesney has acknowledged.