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(04-11-2024 09:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ESPN will pick up the option to renew, if contracts undervalued now,
FSU & Clemson leaving would put contract at current market rate

BIG has no intrest in FSU & Clemson

why would UNC not be happy, they only care about BB
UNC picks up extra money from FSU, Clemson, Stanford, Cal, SMU & performance clause

...hmmm... I would say that FSU is VERY attractive to the B1G, and also Miami, in terms of planting that flag in fertile recruiting grounds and major markets (Miami)... AND to diminish the SEC a bit whenever possible. Clemson may not be as much on the B1G radar, but if they brought in Rutgers back in the day (yeah, major market), they would also think hard about Clemson, if anything to prevent the SEC from gaining more strong programs.

...as to FIT, I think FSU could be in either conference, but it just seems that Clemson is tailor made for the SEC...

I still think the play for the SEC is UNC and most likely NCST, and perhaps UVA and even a fourth (Va.Tech?)... new markets and historically solid programs in one sport or another...
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So...two can leave but everyone else can't?

Not a workable solution.
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(04-11-2024 10:01 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 09:46 AM)ken d Wrote:  First, I'll preface my remarks by saying that any thread that starts with "the Dude describes" is highly suspect.

The thread is 100% accurate, and no mistake that the Dude of WV (new X name now; not = me) was stated.

You can, of course, suspect the accuracy of his remarks. However, he says he is an attorney so it would make sense that his professional circle might include some legal advisors of involved or related parties. Thus decent source(s), potentially.

When he was talking about FSU and Clemson before, he made a lot of contacts and they all shared information. He and MHVer3 even got Brett McMurphy on a podcast.
Although I suspect most of his contacts are like the people at Warchant-people who are informed and run things like the 247 school websites, but aren't insiders.
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(04-11-2024 10:23 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  So...two can leave but everyone else can't?

Not a workable solution.

They can leave, as long as the conference is an ESPN partner.

Big 12 is ready to accept any EST members who don't get SEC invites.
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(04-11-2024 08:54 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Everything makes sense in theory... exactly what JRSec has intimated could happen hypothetically.

Where UNC fits in all of this remains to be seen. Could we see a third and fourth school file and defect? This type of structure would be too cost prohibitive IMO.

Would there be a need to still backfill with USF, or does the ACC wait? They'd still have 15 football schools. Make it a 16 flat?

Keeps Tobacco road in tact, keeps the B1G out, keeps the rest of the ACC whole, but is it worthwhile for the SEC and Sankey?

A pro rata clause in the new contract covers that. Besides by my calculations the pair is a wash anyway. FSU adds some and Clemson ability to multiply the content value gets them close enough that FSU covers them. The SEC doesn't lose and doesn't really gain but they match the inventory of the Big 10 and shore up Florida.

Still folks it's the Dude. I'll believe it when I see it announced formally.
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It's amazing that the Dude and only the Dude has this top secret information to share.
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At first blush, this is a very interesting proposal. It could possibly satisfy all sides. Possibly, though I think ACC resistance is likely for the qualitative (non-financial) reasons.

IMO the GOR is functionally dead if ESPN declines that option and thus ESPN has a lot of leverage here should they choose to use it.

IMO, ESPN also has a key role here in that in the ACC documents, there are IIRC statements about the purpose of the GOR being to protect ESPN, that the ACC got consideration from ESPN in exchange for doing a GOR, so ESPN's view on what the ACC's obligations are is very relevant here.

Again, just my view. I have been wrong before.
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(04-11-2024 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first blush, this is a very interesting proposal. It could possibly satisfy all sides. Possibly, though I think ACC resistance is likely for the qualitative (non-financial) reasons.

IMO the GOR is functionally dead if ESPN declines that option and thus ESPN has a lot of leverage here should they choose to use it.

IMO, ESPN also has a key role here in that in the ACC documents, there are IIRC statements about the purpose of the GOR being to protect ESPN, that the ACC got consideration from ESPN in exchange for doing a GOR, so ESPN's view on what the ACC's obligations are is very relevant here.

Again, just my view. I have been wrong before.

It has always been a logical move. It fulfills Occam's Razor. It accomplishes the most with the fewest possible moves. There was only one which was stronger from an ESPN perspective, Florida State and Kansas to the SEC, as Clemson has never been a serious Big 10 objective. This one will be more palatable to SEC fans as a whole, but not as sound strategically as the one I suggested.

Rearranging these deck chairs keeps all of ESPN's 100% holdings together, gives them dominant control over the region where college sports is the strongest, and places them just a move or two away from meeting their objectives. And guess what? They have 2 slots to play with and a 3rd if they round the ACC to 18 plus ND.
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(04-11-2024 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first blush, this is a very interesting proposal. It could possibly satisfy all sides. Possibly, though I think ACC resistance is likely for the qualitative (non-financial) reasons.

IMO the GOR is functionally dead if ESPN declines that option and thus ESPN has a lot of leverage here should they choose to use it.

IMO, ESPN also has a key role here in that in the ACC documents, there are IIRC statements about the purpose of the GOR being to protect ESPN, that the ACC got consideration from ESPN in exchange for doing a GOR, so ESPN's view on what the ACC's obligations are is very relevant here.

Again, just my view. I have been wrong before.

It has always been a logical move. It fulfills Occam's Razor. It accomplishes the most with the fewest possible moves. There was only one which was stronger from an ESPN perspective, Florida State and Kansas to the SEC, as Clemson has never been a serious Big 10 objective. This one will be more palatable to SEC fans as a whole, but not as sound strategically as the one I suggested.

Rearranging these deck chairs keeps all of ESPN's 100% holdings together, gives them dominant control over the region where college sports is the strongest, and places them just a move or two away from meeting their objectives. And guess what? They have 2 slots to pay with and a 3rd if they round the ACC to 18 plus ND.

And as with the Texas deal, it keeps the GOR intact.
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(04-11-2024 09:17 AM)3BNole Wrote:  The only thing I’ll say as an FSU fan is, if it’s true that we don’t settle, ESPN doesn’t renew the contract and the GOR falls apart, then why should we pay the ACC anything? I would keep pushing ahead and play hardball (if the Big Ten is actually on the table). In that scenario, worst case scenario for us is we leave for the Big Ten, ESPN doesn’t renew the contract, and we pay nothing but an exit fee. Now if ESPN wants to negotiate some sort of payment that ends in 2026/7 when the current (illegally) extended contract is up, then that’s reasonable. I don’t see why FSU would lock into anything that involves 2036 after already making that mistake before, especially when, again, the contract expires in 2 years (but actually already expired).

If said settlement starts at half your SEC distributions at first and scales towards 0 by 2036, then that would be a very low amount. At most, it would be $40m a year to start, heading towards 0 by the end, so maybe an average of $20m a year for a decade? $200m? Why does ESPN need to get involved at all for such a tiny settlement?

This guy on twitter has 3k followers, he's a big 12 guy, and we have no idea if his source is David Pollack or David St. This "settlement idea" smacks of something we as a group might cook up in a brainstorming session on a Thursday.
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(04-11-2024 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first blush, this is a very interesting proposal. It could possibly satisfy all sides. Possibly, though I think ACC resistance is likely for the qualitative (non-financial) reasons.

IMO the GOR is functionally dead if ESPN declines that option and thus ESPN has a lot of leverage here should they choose to use it.

IMO, ESPN also has a key role here in that in the ACC documents, there are IIRC statements about the purpose of the GOR being to protect ESPN, that the ACC got consideration from ESPN in exchange for doing a GOR, so ESPN's view on what the ACC's obligations are is very relevant here.

Again, just my view. I have been wrong before.

While there are linkages between the GoR and other contracts, the fact remains that the GoR is a contract between the ACC and its individual members. The ACC in this case is the entity to which the broadcast rights have been assigned, not ESPN.

A party who does not want to see the ACC blown up or mortally wounded might argue that the consideration for entering into the GoR and signing the ESPN media deal has already been satisfied: that is, the startup of the ACCN, which has been a highly profitable venture for both ESPN and the ACC. If ESPN were to decline its option to renew the media deal, there is nothing to prevent the ACC from contracting with another media partner, albeit likely at a much lower rate.

It's difficult for fans to be patient and to wait until the parties have taken their official stance on all this. But until i see/hear something to the contrary, this is all still speculation. Then again, now that the NCAAT is in the rear view mirror, what else do we have to speculate about?
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(04-11-2024 10:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  I don’t have anything against the SEC and I’ll be perfectly happy if FSU ends up there, but I don’t trust ESPN and I think FSU (fans, administration, etc) is on that same page. I know we’ll work with them in a heartbeat if it’s what’s in our best interest, but I can tell you that with our recent history, we’re not going to just take their word for it and automatically take what they offer if there are other offers on the table. I’m not privy to any of that, so obviously it could be there is nothing else, but I’m suspicious of anything that claims that FSU is just automatically going to accept any offer with minimal negotiation.

As for the GOR and its enforceability if the ESPN contract expires (which again, it could be argued it already has). Doug Rohan who has been the primary lawyer following the two cases (he was the only person at the NC courtroom) discussed this on his Twitter account yesterday and states that it’s a weakness in the GOR as the original document (which is admittedly presumably similar or the same to the current) references ESPN specifically and no other broadcast carriers, and furthermore references them something like 20+ times. Now it would depend on a judge’s interpretation of that, but there’s definitely a high possibility that a judge would deem that the GOR is depended on a contract with ESPN because of that. (He explains it better than I can.)

I remember hearing a lot of my buddies complain about the LHN when it came out. They would constantly express their distrust of ESPN, how they loved Texas, and how they were somehow "out to get us". Well, based upon what we've seen since 2011, I do not believe that was the case then or now. ESPN loves whomever gets them the ratings and gives their talking heads interesting stories. Sometimes, that story is Jimbo winning a title at FSU in 2013. Sometimes, that story is Jimbo getting 86'd by the Aggies and paid $77m to go sit on his couch until 2031. If they don't love you, that doesn't mean that they hate you, it just means that Nick Saban in what turned out to be the last season of the greatest dynasty in CFB history is more interesting than FSU without their QB. I didn't decide that, you didn't decide that, and even ESPN only decided that based upon what they thought would get them more eyeballs to their programs.
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(04-11-2024 11:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first blush, this is a very interesting proposal. It could possibly satisfy all sides. Possibly, though I think ACC resistance is likely for the qualitative (non-financial) reasons.

IMO the GOR is functionally dead if ESPN declines that option and thus ESPN has a lot of leverage here should they choose to use it.

IMO, ESPN also has a key role here in that in the ACC documents, there are IIRC statements about the purpose of the GOR being to protect ESPN, that the ACC got consideration from ESPN in exchange for doing a GOR, so ESPN's view on what the ACC's obligations are is very relevant here.

Again, just my view. I have been wrong before.

It has always been a logical move. It fulfills Occam's Razor. It accomplishes the most with the fewest possible moves. There was only one which was stronger from an ESPN perspective, Florida State and Kansas to the SEC, as Clemson has never been a serious Big 10 objective. This one will be more palatable to SEC fans as a whole, but not as sound strategically as the one I suggested.

Rearranging these deck chairs keeps all of ESPN's 100% holdings together, gives them dominant control over the region where college sports is the strongest, and places them just a move or two away from meeting their objectives. And guess what? They have 2 slots to pay with and a 3rd if they round the ACC to 18 plus ND.

And as with the Texas deal, it keeps the GOR intact.

There are a number of ways to accomplish that.
A straight up swap: Florida State for Kentucky.
Kentucky receives their SEC payout through 203x (when ever the SEC contract expires) while FSU receives the ACC amount through the same time period. By that time basketball should become fully monetized and Kentucky's cost of competition should be reduced considerably. FSU will increase revenue by filling up their newly remodeled stadium
This has a lot less moving parts even than the Dude's proposal.
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(04-11-2024 08:54 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 08:35 AM)otown Wrote:  I don't have X. Can anyone summarize?

I’ll copy paste the text:

I have some legit insider information from a source in the sports broadcasting industry that I was going to write up and disseminate, but I don't have the time. So, I'm just going to spill the beans here and now and see who takes notice.

But first, do me a favor, remember who, what and when. Keep track of how many of the details I'm sharing tonight come to fruition.

ESPN has approached FSU, Clemson and the ACC about a potential settlement allowing the Seminoles & Tigers to leave the ACC whenever they want. But an ESPN brokered deal is only possible if FSU and Clemson leave for the SEC. Why? I'm glad you asked.

ESPN is the exclusive rights holder for both the ACC & SEC. Moreover, ESPN is a partner in both the ACCN and SECN. ESPN would not lose money if FSU & Clemson are in the SEC as opposed to the ACC.

The basics of the potential settlement are:
1. FSU & Clemson would pay an exit fee equal to what Texas & Oklahoma paid to exit the Big 12 + a %.
2. The ACC would retain the rights to FSU & Clemson home games BUT license those rights to the ESPN for SEC broadcasts.

3. The ACC receives 50% of the fair market (SEC) value of FSU & Clemson home games in both football & basketball. The % the ACC receives would decrease each year of the agreement.

4. ESPN would pick up the option on the ACC's contract until 2036, but would renegotiate terms to reflect the loss of value from losing FSU & Clemson.
5. The SEC - namely FSU & Clemson - would be contractually obligated to play a top tier ACC program each year.

My source tells me the details above are the initial - opening proposition and they will change slightly as negotiations change the details, but the basics will remain the same. Why? I'm glad you asked.

The proposed settlement mitigates the damages to everyone. The ACC survives because ESPN picks up the option to 2036. But their losses will be offset by the % of the FSU & Clemson rights they retain.

FSU & Clemson win by leaving the ACC. 50% of SEC is more than 100% of ACC money and each year they claw back a % of their home media rights.

Everyone saves legal fees and public embarrassment. Expect the % the ACC receives of FSU & Clemson's TV rights to be negotiated down from the starting point of 50%. 35% is more likely the starting point. Expect that to drop by 3-5% each year until its 0.

But you can expect the ACC will retain some % of FSU & Clemson's rights until 2036.

My source pointed out it's critical that the ACC negotiate in good faith and accept the survival of the conference depends on the acceptance of this offer at the best terms they can negotiate... but the ACC doesn't have much leverage.

If the ACC doesn't settle with FSU & Clemson, then ESPN will not pick up the option on its TV contract. They will have no TV revenue beginning in 2027 and the conference will breach the terms of the GoR thus voiding it.

Expect a settlement in time to allow FSU and Clemson to begin SEC play in 2025/2026.

And yes, ESPN will pressure the SEC to take them both. Why? ESPN has accepted the inevitable departure of FSU & Clemson from the ACC. ESPN losses considerable money if FSU and Clemson end up in the Big Ten. ESPN will do everything it can to avoid that scenario.

But, here's a warning to the ACC and its fans. The ACC can't play hardball. If it becomes clear the ACC and FSU/Clemson can't reach an agreement, then ESPN will promptly decline the 2027 ACC option and engineer the move of the ACC's top football properties to the SEC & Big 12.

The Big 12 would benefit the most from the ACC's refusal to use common sense and avoid disaster. But it would necessarily be an economic boon the Big 12. Think pro rata additions... plus a contract extension that gives the Big 12 security until 2036.

The takeaway is this... The ACC can save itself by being pragmatic. But an agreement of this nature requires that all parties involved use common sense and see the writing on the wall clearly.

Unfortunately, it's not an automatic that the ACC realizes its predicament and accepts it has no choice but listen to ESPN. There's a fault line running through the ACC that divides its membership in half.

Some, like UNC, are going to be unhappy. The question is will the ACC's new contract - resulting from a settlement - pay schools like Louisville, Miami, NCST, and VT enough? Will the renegotiated contract pay enough to win a supermajority of votes needed to approve a settlement?

Here's my advice to the ACC... remember what happened to the Pac 12.

This doesn't sound like an offer from espn.

This sounds like someone making a proposal to the open air hoping that espn and/or other stakeholders might take interest.

The source - "from a source in the sports broadcasting industry" - sounds like they were who put this together as an idea.

For one thing, espn would not propose re-negotiating the media deal over 2 schools leaving, when the contracts already cover those possibilities. That's just adding risk and cost for no good reason.

Not to mention, this isn't espn's first time to the rodeo. They've dealt with conferences losing their bigger schools for awhile now. And in those cases - while in an existing media deal - the conferences backfill to meet the contract in consultation with espn.

Anyway, I don't think I need to take this apart piece by piece to show it's not an official espn proposal - even if it's a "first volley".

All that said, I'll agree that a lot of this looks like they (whoever wrote this up) reads this site - from my memory, there are a lot of ideas in there that I think JRsec and others have proposed in the past.
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(04-11-2024 12:13 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 08:54 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 08:35 AM)otown Wrote:  I don't have X. Can anyone summarize?

I’ll copy paste the text:

I have some legit insider information from a source in the sports broadcasting industry that I was going to write up and disseminate, but I don't have the time. So, I'm just going to spill the beans here and now and see who takes notice.

But first, do me a favor, remember who, what and when. Keep track of how many of the details I'm sharing tonight come to fruition.

ESPN has approached FSU, Clemson and the ACC about a potential settlement allowing the Seminoles & Tigers to leave the ACC whenever they want. But an ESPN brokered deal is only possible if FSU and Clemson leave for the SEC. Why? I'm glad you asked.

ESPN is the exclusive rights holder for both the ACC & SEC. Moreover, ESPN is a partner in both the ACCN and SECN. ESPN would not lose money if FSU & Clemson are in the SEC as opposed to the ACC.

The basics of the potential settlement are:
1. FSU & Clemson would pay an exit fee equal to what Texas & Oklahoma paid to exit the Big 12 + a %.
2. The ACC would retain the rights to FSU & Clemson home games BUT license those rights to the ESPN for SEC broadcasts.

3. The ACC receives 50% of the fair market (SEC) value of FSU & Clemson home games in both football & basketball. The % the ACC receives would decrease each year of the agreement.

4. ESPN would pick up the option on the ACC's contract until 2036, but would renegotiate terms to reflect the loss of value from losing FSU & Clemson.
5. The SEC - namely FSU & Clemson - would be contractually obligated to play a top tier ACC program each year.

My source tells me the details above are the initial - opening proposition and they will change slightly as negotiations change the details, but the basics will remain the same. Why? I'm glad you asked.

The proposed settlement mitigates the damages to everyone. The ACC survives because ESPN picks up the option to 2036. But their losses will be offset by the % of the FSU & Clemson rights they retain.

FSU & Clemson win by leaving the ACC. 50% of SEC is more than 100% of ACC money and each year they claw back a % of their home media rights.

Everyone saves legal fees and public embarrassment. Expect the % the ACC receives of FSU & Clemson's TV rights to be negotiated down from the starting point of 50%. 35% is more likely the starting point. Expect that to drop by 3-5% each year until its 0.

But you can expect the ACC will retain some % of FSU & Clemson's rights until 2036.

My source pointed out it's critical that the ACC negotiate in good faith and accept the survival of the conference depends on the acceptance of this offer at the best terms they can negotiate... but the ACC doesn't have much leverage.

If the ACC doesn't settle with FSU & Clemson, then ESPN will not pick up the option on its TV contract. They will have no TV revenue beginning in 2027 and the conference will breach the terms of the GoR thus voiding it.

Expect a settlement in time to allow FSU and Clemson to begin SEC play in 2025/2026.

And yes, ESPN will pressure the SEC to take them both. Why? ESPN has accepted the inevitable departure of FSU & Clemson from the ACC. ESPN losses considerable money if FSU and Clemson end up in the Big Ten. ESPN will do everything it can to avoid that scenario.

But, here's a warning to the ACC and its fans. The ACC can't play hardball. If it becomes clear the ACC and FSU/Clemson can't reach an agreement, then ESPN will promptly decline the 2027 ACC option and engineer the move of the ACC's top football properties to the SEC & Big 12.

The Big 12 would benefit the most from the ACC's refusal to use common sense and avoid disaster. But it would necessarily be an economic boon the Big 12. Think pro rata additions... plus a contract extension that gives the Big 12 security until 2036.

The takeaway is this... The ACC can save itself by being pragmatic. But an agreement of this nature requires that all parties involved use common sense and see the writing on the wall clearly.

Unfortunately, it's not an automatic that the ACC realizes its predicament and accepts it has no choice but listen to ESPN. There's a fault line running through the ACC that divides its membership in half.

Some, like UNC, are going to be unhappy. The question is will the ACC's new contract - resulting from a settlement - pay schools like Louisville, Miami, NCST, and VT enough? Will the renegotiated contract pay enough to win a supermajority of votes needed to approve a settlement?

Here's my advice to the ACC... remember what happened to the Pac 12.

This doesn't sound like an offer from espn.

This sounds like someone making a proposal to the open air hoping that espn and/or other stakeholders might take interest.

The source - "from a source in the sports broadcasting industry" - sounds like they were who put this together as an idea.

For one thing, espn would not propose re-negotiating the media deal over 2 schools leaving, when the contracts already cover those possibilities. That's just adding risk and cost for no good reason.

Not to mention, this isn't espn's first time to the rodeo. They've dealt with conferences losing their bigger schools for awhile now. And in those cases - while in an existing media deal - the conferences backfill to meet the contract in consultation with espn.

Anyway, I don't think I need to take this apart piece by piece to show it's not an official espn proposal - even if it's a "first volley".

All that said, I'll agree that a lot of this looks like they (whoever wrote this up) reads this site - from my memory, there are a lot of ideas in there that I think JRsec and others have proposed in the past.

I agree I don't think this is coming from ESPN. I don't believe the Mouse can initiate anything like this without exposing themselves to some liability, and I think they are smarter than that.
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(04-11-2024 08:54 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 08:35 AM)otown Wrote:  I don't have X. Can anyone summarize?

I’ll copy paste the text:

I have some legit insider information from a source in the sports broadcasting industry that I was going to write up and disseminate, but I don't have the time. So, I'm just going to spill the beans here and now and see who takes notice.

But first, do me a favor, remember who, what and when. Keep track of how many of the details I'm sharing tonight come to fruition.

ESPN has approached FSU, Clemson and the ACC about a potential settlement allowing the Seminoles & Tigers to leave the ACC whenever they want. But an ESPN brokered deal is only possible if FSU and Clemson leave for the SEC. Why? I'm glad you asked.

ESPN is the exclusive rights holder for both the ACC & SEC. Moreover, ESPN is a partner in both the ACCN and SECN. ESPN would not lose money if FSU & Clemson are in the SEC as opposed to the ACC.

The basics of the potential settlement are:
1. FSU & Clemson would pay an exit fee equal to what Texas & Oklahoma paid to exit the Big 12 + a %.
2. The ACC would retain the rights to FSU & Clemson home games BUT license those rights to the ESPN for SEC broadcasts.

3. The ACC receives 50% of the fair market (SEC) value of FSU & Clemson home games in both football & basketball. The % the ACC receives would decrease each year of the agreement.

4. ESPN would pick up the option on the ACC's contract until 2036, but would renegotiate terms to reflect the loss of value from losing FSU & Clemson.
5. The SEC - namely FSU & Clemson - would be contractually obligated to play a top tier ACC program each year.

My source tells me the details above are the initial - opening proposition and they will change slightly as negotiations change the details, but the basics will remain the same. Why? I'm glad you asked.

The proposed settlement mitigates the damages to everyone. The ACC survives because ESPN picks up the option to 2036. But their losses will be offset by the % of the FSU & Clemson rights they retain.

FSU & Clemson win by leaving the ACC. 50% of SEC is more than 100% of ACC money and each year they claw back a % of their home media rights.

Everyone saves legal fees and public embarrassment. Expect the % the ACC receives of FSU & Clemson's TV rights to be negotiated down from the starting point of 50%. 35% is more likely the starting point. Expect that to drop by 3-5% each year until its 0.

But you can expect the ACC will retain some % of FSU & Clemson's rights until 2036.

My source pointed out it's critical that the ACC negotiate in good faith and accept the survival of the conference depends on the acceptance of this offer at the best terms they can negotiate... but the ACC doesn't have much leverage.

If the ACC doesn't settle with FSU & Clemson, then ESPN will not pick up the option on its TV contract. They will have no TV revenue beginning in 2027 and the conference will breach the terms of the GoR thus voiding it.

Expect a settlement in time to allow FSU and Clemson to begin SEC play in 2025/2026.

And yes, ESPN will pressure the SEC to take them both. Why? ESPN has accepted the inevitable departure of FSU & Clemson from the ACC. ESPN losses considerable money if FSU and Clemson end up in the Big Ten. ESPN will do everything it can to avoid that scenario.

But, here's a warning to the ACC and its fans. The ACC can't play hardball. If it becomes clear the ACC and FSU/Clemson can't reach an agreement, then ESPN will promptly decline the 2027 ACC option and engineer the move of the ACC's top football properties to the SEC & Big 12.

The Big 12 would benefit the most from the ACC's refusal to use common sense and avoid disaster. But it would necessarily be an economic boon the Big 12. Think pro rata additions... plus a contract extension that gives the Big 12 security until 2036.

The takeaway is this... The ACC can save itself by being pragmatic. But an agreement of this nature requires that all parties involved use common sense and see the writing on the wall clearly.

Unfortunately, it's not an automatic that the ACC realizes its predicament and accepts it has no choice but listen to ESPN. There's a fault line running through the ACC that divides its membership in half.

Some, like UNC, are going to be unhappy. The question is will the ACC's new contract - resulting from a settlement - pay schools like Louisville, Miami, NCST, and VT enough? Will the renegotiated contract pay enough to win a supermajority of votes needed to approve a settlement?

Here's my advice to the ACC... remember what happened to the Pac 12.

This doesn't sound like an offer from espn.

This sounds like someone making a proposal to the open air hoping that espn and/or other stakeholders might take interest.

The source - "from a source in the sports broadcasting industry" - sounds like they were who put this together as an idea.

For one thing, espn would not propose re-negotiating the media deal over 2 schools leaving, when the contracts already cover those possibilities. That's just adding risk and cost for no good reason.

Not to mention, this isn't espn's first time to the rodeo. They've dealt with conferences losing their bigger schools for awhile now. And in those cases - while in an existing media deal - the conferences backfill to meet the contract in consultation with espn.

Anyway, I don't think I need to take this apart piece by piece to show it's not an official espn proposal - even if it's a "first volley".

All that said, I'll agree that a lot of this looks like they (whoever wrote this up) reads this site - from my memory, there are a lot of ideas in there that I think JRsec and others have proposed in the past.

It wouldn't be the first time this board was ripped off for ideas. One prominent West Coast writer lifted a goodly portion of a single post of mine, and a magazine site took one of my posts verbatim changing one school's name. I've seen others who ripped off Frank and Omniorange. That the Dude, who does read this site, came up with this didn't escape my notice when I read this, hence my statement I would believe it if there is an official announcement.

That said it doesn't disturb the ACC's Grant of Rights if inventory totals are what matters the most to ESPN and GOR cases come down to actual monetary damages.
It is said a lot and believed little, but if ESPN values the new lineup similarly to the old one and pays the existing contract there are no damages. That is the leverage which ESPN and FOX have over their holdings.

Other than that these facts remain:
1. An in-house solution is best for ESPN as they maintain their full rights.
2. A judgment is too risky for either side of this mess.
3. An extension gives the ACC schools time to settle in or time to plan what to do next.
4. Occam's Razor is in effect. The fewest moves for the most reasonable solution.
5. ESPN loses nothing, the SEC doesn't really gain anything the Big 10 wanted, the ACC loses its malcontents (and their weakest links) and suffers no financial damage through 2036 (a point beyond which it had no guarantees anyway), and the ACC could actually add a few for a raise in the process.
6. The moves actually clarify objectives for the SEC and Big 10 moving forward as each will have perhaps a potential of 2 or 6 slots with which to attract any additions they may want. The SEC being at 18 actually levels the playing field for those potential targets in that it limits both conferences to dealing for exactly what they want while constraining their abilities to cut deals for buddies.
7. If it happens along these lines Sankey will have a positive response from his fan base. And there will be less angst moving forward should basketball schools be added at some point.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-11-2024 10:27 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(04-11-2024 10:23 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  So...two can leave but everyone else can't?

Not a workable solution.

They can leave, as long as the conference is an ESPN partner.

Big 12 is ready to accept any EST members who don't get SEC invites.

This is a good point. If the contract is going to be renegotiated, whether the payout remains the same or not based on the %'s owed back to ACC members, teams can simply move to the Big 12 and pay a smaller relative % back to the ACC. Now, there is a point of diminishing returns, and the ACC does have the one pro-rata remaining, but if enough schools wish to opt out because they have a landing spot with ESPN, they can be moved out. However, I think Fox as a partner complicates these lateral moves quite a bit. Does ND decide they want to opt out, and work out a scheduling deal with the SEC for football? Something to ponder...
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If this settlement is on the table, I would selfishly hope for a rejection of it by FSU and/or Clemson only to see there be a true loser in all of it, especially if ESPN voids the ACC deal and now select members are being poached by the SEC, B1G, Big 12 and, likely, the Big East.
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(04-11-2024 08:24 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Congratulations to FSU and Clemson on their ESPN/ACC Settlement and simultaneous SEC invite! Squeaky Wheel gets the Grease.

Let the ACC meltdown begin.

Big 12 is accepting applications from ACC teams who reside in the Eastern Timezone.

I'd be going after Louisville and Pittsburgh for starters.
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Chris 'DudWV' Lambert pitching dramatic 'insider' revelations about Florida State and Clemson. Again. Go figure.

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