(04-09-2024 03:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  Back in the day, it seemed NU recruited linemen locally and athletes nationally, including the JuCo ranks.

And steroids underground.

No football program benefited from partial qualifiers like the Cornhuskers did. They have never really recovered (a few decent seasons notwithstanding) from the end of that practice.

(04-09-2024 04:34 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 04:03 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 11:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 12:52 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I swear it made sense in my mind when I wrote it, but for Nebraska...they'll get the same TV ratings and attendance in either of the P2. Um, I think I was going for attendance increases there, and despite Frank's protestations, I'm confident that Nebraska would pull more Texas students if they were in the SEC than they pull from Illinois right now.

My point about out-of-state students is that Illinois is to out-of-state student recruiting as Texas is to football recruiting. New Jersey (another Big Ten area) is right behind (essentially the out-of-state recruiting equivalent of Florida football recruiting). This is well-known in college enrollment circles. The Chicago and New Jersey suburbs are the two single biggest targets for colleges seeking out-of-state students. The Chicago area is arguably even more of a target because it really does send students throughout the whole country and among a wide swath of public and private schools, whereas New Jersey students are still largely East Coast-focused. The State of Texas obviously has huge numbers of students due to sheer size, but the state also retains a lot higher percentage of its students in-state compared to Illinois and New Jersey. Hence, if the goal is to get exposure to potential out-of-state tuition paying students, the two best markets to get exposure in are Illinois and New Jersey.

Regardless, the Big Ten isn’t kicking Nebraska out and it’s a pure Midwestern school. Basically, the only fit that it doesn’t have with the Big Ten is the lack of AAU status, which the Big Ten itself could have salvaged if Michigan and Wisconsin had voted to retain Nebraska in the group.

That's your midwest focus. Texas has nearly 50% more people and a younger population than Illinois and New Jersey combined. Schools throughout the south target Texas students who can't get into Texas or Texas A&M. Georgia, before it got really hard to get into, had a sorority that locals referred to as the Texas sorority. We were eating at a place in Athens and my wife saw a group of obviously sorority girls at another table. She said, "They're really pretty. Must be the Texas sorority."(not that there aren't plenty of pretty Georgia girls). The Georgia president would come to Houston on recruiting visits.

Yep. It didn't take me long to think of how many of our friends' kids or our kids' friends that went out of state to SEC schools, especially the SEC West. If you can't get into UT or A&M and you want the flagship school experience (big school, Power athletics, big frats and sororities), you either schlep out to Tech (way out in Lubbock, 8 hours 45 minutes from my house in Houston, but with in-state tuition) or go to LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc. OU and OSU are also players here. If the out of state schools make it worth the kid's while (scholarships), many take it.

It’s a phenomenon that happens in a lot of places, so I’m not arguing that it’s *exclusive* to those states. It would certainly be the case in a place where the top flagship and/or flagship equivalent is at capacity way beyond demand, which would be the case in Texas with UT and A&M. I’m just saying that Illinois and New Jersey are two specifically acute instances of this phenomenon. Neither of those states have the equivalent of a Texas A&M after their flagship but they’re serving 2 of the 3 largest metro areas (NYC and Chicago). As a result, the rate of kids heading out-of-state (especially considering population size) is epidemic-level.

Essentially, UIUC is "Indiana and Purdue combined".

(04-10-2024 11:48 AM)Bronco85 Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 03:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  Back in the day, it seemed NU recruited linemen locally and athletes nationally, including the JuCo ranks.

And steroids underground.

No football program benefited from partial qualifiers like the Cornhuskers did. They have never really recovered (a few decent seasons notwithstanding) from the end of that practice.

Yes. -But the players graduated.

The Big Ten has different recruiting rules for players.

Unfortunately, the athletic director, Peterson, and coach Bill Callahan decided to dismantle the Nebraska development system after Solich had also hurt the program.

Trev Alberts understood this.

Nebraska is ready to compete with the NIL. Whether players will forgo an Alabama or Georgia to play in a cold environment is another question.

(04-10-2024 02:23 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 06:19 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 11:11 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 10:07 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  Interesting that the article specifically mentions USF. Suggests to me that Nebraska is serious about a pretty large transformation, probably including UNO, UNL, and UNMC all under one roof.

What about NU-Kearney, or is UNMC @ UNO like I'm thinking it is?

Omaha would be livid and I highly doubt that would result in anything other than mass resignations and UNL taking on a gutted mess of a university. UNO has ambitions of its own that don't include propping up big brother's Big Ten credentials. Unlike Kearney, there's a bit of bad blood between the two. Swallowing up UNO would be the NU system cutting off its nose to spite its face.

Adding Kearney wouldn't add much since they only really have aviation as a specialization. I think what they're going to do is try to fold UNMC into UNL and take their budgetary shortfall out on UNO, forcing them to curb some of their ambitions, and using the money to patch up UNL's shortcomings. That just leaves UNMC.

I think their status as an AAU member is gone and done and there's no going back at this point, even with folding in UNMC. It's Nebraska, as a state it's not what it was when they were added way back when, and the trajectory the state's on as a whole is not one that's going to help them climb out of the corn field and a truck stop image that outsiders have of it. Crime is high, the infamously low cost of living is now gone thanks to realtors and investors inflating housing prices post-covid, and there are cultural and political mindsets that prevent them from attempting to improve and catch up with the other states around them. It's no longer just a brain drain from Nebraska, everyone's leaving, including people with just a high school education.

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/12/18/...nsus-data/

The cultural and political mindsets also apply to the university. Even that article, where they kept talking about USF's surge in prestige, shows the same follower mindset where they just want to look over someone else's shoulder and copy their notes and think that because it worked for them, it'll work for me, too. Never mind that Florida's population is massive and more than able to support three quality universities, the Sun Belt is attractive to college students, and USF is in a destination in Tampa while Lincoln's growth was hamstrung until very recently by old farts wanting to keep the "big little farm town" feel and refusing to allow for expansion, it has to be the restructuring and swallowing satellite campuses that's responsible for their ascent. Just like with Omaha copying Denver for their city planning ideas, the why never comes to mind, just the what. The state needs to think differently, and not in the ways they have before where they self-deprecate with their slogans or put out half-ashed Youtube ads about how you can move there because it's a nice place to drink coffee when you're not working (not kidding). They need innovation, a kick in the behind, and an acceptance of the realities of the now that I don't think the people there are willing to accept.

For the longest, Alabama was like Nebraska as well, but, the times, they are a 'changing!!! Our governor has got a lot of our universities working together to do some innovation and try to bring more jobs to the state. I think Nebraska would do well to take a page from Alabama's book, IMO.

I had that same thought. Alabama's cheap out-of-state tuition has them getting students that wouldn't give them a look otherwise. Those two states and university profiles are much more similar than Nebraska and South Florida. The bump in prestige from being great at football and basketball doesn't hurt either, and Nebraska's trending upwards in both sports. Brain drain is bad, but if you can plug the holes your in-state students leave with quality ones from out of state, it's manageable.

Honestly, I don't think Nebraska will be in any danger of losing their Big Ten status, and I don't mean this in a schadenfreude sense, but the best thing that would help calm their worries would be Oregon getting thrown out of the AAU. It'd put a lot of the academics talk to bed and Nebraska could focus on its strengths as a university rather than its shortcomings. The idea that you're not a good school if you're not focusing on medicine and biotech is ridiculous. Iowa State losing AAU status despite its great engineering school should be indicative of what the AAU is about.

(04-10-2024 11:20 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  KU is AAU and reports it's Lawrence campus and Med Center (40 miles away in KC) as one entity - there is an overall chancellor but a Med Center Vice Chancellor -so they get to count all the med center stuff in the AAU

No reason why UN can't do the same

NU's top pick as president has been chancellor at UNMC for 10 years. He also led UNO while leading UNMC for a time. I could see him trying to combine the two in some capacity.

https://omaha.com/news/state-regional/ed...d405f.html

(04-10-2024 11:21 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  I will say that Nebraska would be better served in the Big 12 - their recruitment of TX and OK would return and they'd quickly become a top 20 program and likely be the #1 FB school in the B12 - which is worth at least what they're getting from B1G membership, plus better travel

No they wouldn't. The money would be much tighter and we're already discussing them getting demoted academically. Taking the L in athletic conference choices would be devastating to the university. Besides, they've had success recruiting California and the Southwest in the past, even if Cali players aren't too popular locally.

(04-10-2024 05:51 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 02:23 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 06:19 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 11:11 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 10:07 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  Interesting that the article specifically mentions USF. Suggests to me that Nebraska is serious about a pretty large transformation, probably including UNO, UNL, and UNMC all under one roof.

What about NU-Kearney, or is UNMC @ UNO like I'm thinking it is?

Omaha would be livid and I highly doubt that would result in anything other than mass resignations and UNL taking on a gutted mess of a university. UNO has ambitions of its own that don't include propping up big brother's Big Ten credentials. Unlike Kearney, there's a bit of bad blood between the two. Swallowing up UNO would be the NU system cutting off its nose to spite its face.

Adding Kearney wouldn't add much since they only really have aviation as a specialization. I think what they're going to do is try to fold UNMC into UNL and take their budgetary shortfall out on UNO, forcing them to curb some of their ambitions, and using the money to patch up UNL's shortcomings. That just leaves UNMC.

I think their status as an AAU member is gone and done and there's no going back at this point, even with folding in UNMC. It's Nebraska, as a state it's not what it was when they were added way back when, and the trajectory the state's on as a whole is not one that's going to help them climb out of the corn field and a truck stop image that outsiders have of it. Crime is high, the infamously low cost of living is now gone thanks to realtors and investors inflating housing prices post-covid, and there are cultural and political mindsets that prevent them from attempting to improve and catch up with the other states around them. It's no longer just a brain drain from Nebraska, everyone's leaving, including people with just a high school education.

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/12/18/...nsus-data/

The cultural and political mindsets also apply to the university. Even that article, where they kept talking about USF's surge in prestige, shows the same follower mindset where they just want to look over someone else's shoulder and copy their notes and think that because it worked for them, it'll work for me, too. Never mind that Florida's population is massive and more than able to support three quality universities, the Sun Belt is attractive to college students, and USF is in a destination in Tampa while Lincoln's growth was hamstrung until very recently by old farts wanting to keep the "big little farm town" feel and refusing to allow for expansion, it has to be the restructuring and swallowing satellite campuses that's responsible for their ascent. Just like with Omaha copying Denver for their city planning ideas, the why never comes to mind, just the what. The state needs to think differently, and not in the ways they have before where they self-deprecate with their slogans or put out half-ashed Youtube ads about how you can move there because it's a nice place to drink coffee when you're not working (not kidding). They need innovation, a kick in the behind, and an acceptance of the realities of the now that I don't think the people there are willing to accept.

For the longest, Alabama was like Nebraska as well, but, the times, they are a 'changing!!! Our governor has got a lot of our universities working together to do some innovation and try to bring more jobs to the state. I think Nebraska would do well to take a page from Alabama's book, IMO.

I had that same thought. Alabama's cheap out-of-state tuition has them getting students that wouldn't give them a look otherwise. Those two states and university profiles are much more similar than Nebraska and South Florida. The bump in prestige from being great at football and basketball doesn't hurt either, and Nebraska's trending upwards in both sports. Brain drain is bad, but if you can plug the holes your in-state students leave with quality ones from out of state, it's manageable.

Actually Mav, I was referring to this project that I am going to give you a link to: https://www.uah.edu/news/news/twenty-mil...ngineering

(04-08-2024 08:04 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think that Nebraska benefited greatly from Texas recruitment, not just athletically but also for their general student body, back in their Big8/12 days. CU already made the decision to rejoin their Big 12 cousins; could Nebraska decide to rejoin their Big8/12 cousins in the SEC? Ironically, such a move could give them such a financial shot in the arm that it would increase their chances of returning to the AAU.

With the exception of a few of Bo Pelini's years, Nebraska has never recruited Texas heavily. Those teams from the 90's were the best players in the region and then California, New Jersey, Florida. We did have a few from Texas sprinkled in.

Now maybe Nebraska has more success on the football field if they had recruited Texas better, but we will never know. Maybe Matt Rhule makes Texas a priority.

When i was at the university in the mid/late 90's, I don't think I met anyone from Texas outside of the day the UT band traveled with the team to Lincoln in 1998 and we helped them out. Most students at that time were Nebraska residents with a few sprinkled in from all over.

As for leaving the Big Ten for a non-SEC conference, that would cost them a lot of money in the long run. The best thing Nebraska can do is to keep pushing forward and doing what they can to improve things where they are at.

If the grass isn't green on this side of the fence, you don't have to jump into the next yard. Try some fertilizer and water, first.

(04-08-2024 08:37 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:30 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:25 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:04 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think that Nebraska benefited greatly from Texas recruitment, not just athletically but also for their general student body, back in their Big8/12 days. CU already made the decision to rejoin their Big 12 cousins; could Nebraska decide to rejoin their Big8/12 cousins in the SEC? Ironically, such a move could give them such a financial shot in the arm that it would increase their chances of returning to the AAU.

1. Would the SEC ever entertain adding someone like Nebraska when they have their sights set on adding Clemson and Florida State?

2. If Nebraska was to leave the BIG, who would the BIG add as their replacement?

1. I brought this up before; bring in NU and KU. Great synergy there with OU and MU.

Kansas and Missouri want nothing to do with each other.

You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about.

Not that it would happen, but Nebraska moving to the SEC would make a lot of symmetrical conferences with divisions scenarios easier to make:

SEC (20)
- UT, OU, KU, Mizzou, Neb.
- A&M, LSU, Ark, Miss, MSST.
- Bama, AUB, TN, VY, UGA.
- UF, FSU, Clem, SCar, KY.

B1G (20)
- UNC, UVA, RU, UMD, PSU.
- OSU, UM, MSU, IU, PU.
- IL, NU, WI, MN, IO.
- UW, UO, UU, USC, UCLA.