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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

NIL started July 1, 2021.

One of the things NIL has done to affect college basketball is it has kept border line players from jumping into the NBA draft. They can stay in school make that NIL money before taking a chance on the NBA.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-30-2024 03:31 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

NIL started July 1, 2021.

One of the things NIL has done to affect college basketball is it has kept border line players from jumping into the NBA draft. They can stay in school make that NIL money before taking a chance on the NBA.

Very true. No chance that Terrence Shannon Jr. and Coleman Hawkins would have come back to Illinois this season without NIL, for instance. They would have rolled the dice with the NBA Draft last year, instead, even though they were second rounders at best. There are plenty of other similar examples from a lot of teams.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-30-2024 04:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-30-2024 03:31 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

NIL started July 1, 2021.

One of the things NIL has done to affect college basketball is it has kept border line players from jumping into the NBA draft. They can stay in school make that NIL money before taking a chance on the NBA.

Very true. No chance that Terrence Shannon Jr. and Coleman Hawkins would have come back to Illinois this season without NIL, for instance. They would have rolled the dice with the NBA Draft last year, instead, even though they were second rounders at best. There are plenty of other similar examples from a lot of teams.

Wait a minute....Terrance Shannon has a kid in college?
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-30-2024 03:31 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

NIL started July 1, 2021.

One of the things NIL has done to affect college basketball is it has kept border line players from jumping into the NBA draft. They can stay in school make that NIL money before taking a chance on the NBA.
Since NIL started, St Peter’s in 2022 and Princeton in 2023 were classic Cinderella stories. This is the first NIL year without a good Cinderella story during the second week of the tournament. I’d argue that most tournaments don’t have good Cinderella stories.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
Oakland did beat Kentucky then gave NC State a good game if the Round of 32.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-30-2024 07:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Oakland did beat Kentucky then gave NC State a good game if the Round of 32.

Good point ... since all you need is for a lower seeded non-power school to make it to the Sweet 16 to be counted as a "genuine Cinderella", I think to have really good evidence from a single year that "the era of non-power Cinderella's is over", you'd need every non-power winner of a first round upset to be trounced in the second round.

In order to say "this close is not close enough", you'd need several years in a row of the closest "proper non-power" Cinderella candidate getting this close but falling short to establish the trend.

On a side-note, I did indeed see one of the Youtube channels I occasionally watch call NCSU a "Cinderella" ... it seems like all he needs is a low seeded team without a lot of recent success ...
... kind of like calling the daughter of an Earl "the next Cinderella", just because the Earl in question had been getting the cold shoulder at court for a while due to some political faux pas,
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
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(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.


Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

You just made up that rule. I can make one up too! A Cinderella is a team that has no business at the dance and stays a lot longer than they should. However, the clock always strikes midnight for Cinderella.

NC State is definitely a Cinderella.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
(03-30-2024 12:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  FWIW, at the dinner table my son declared NC State a Cinderella.

If employee-athletes and NIL kill off half the D-I basketball programs (e.g., your Holy Mother College and Nodirection State U's drop) fans of underdogs will simply gravitate toward major universities that haven't done much in sports lately or who are low ranked as teams to follow and root for.

Thats what they are betting on, but I think its going to blow up in their face.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
I suspect that, even in the NIL era, college basketball will continue to lift more collegiate boats than football. Schools that can't afford top-end football will still find it possible to field national contenders in basketball.
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RE: Is the NIL the end of the Cinderella?
It won't end cinder, but will greatly reduce her runs. Most cinderella schools were senior laden squads that played together for a long time. It will be real hard to put together those squads now. The best players will run to a better payday.
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