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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
(04-04-2024 11:19 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
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(04-02-2024 01:31 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  This broadcast crew is drawing attention as 'the clear gold standard.'

ESPN’s women’s college basketball studio show featuring Elle Duncan, Andraya Carter and Chiney Ogwumike has arrived. They’ve got all the ingredients of an all-star, can’t miss lineup.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-ha...arity.html

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Tuned in at halftime. They were really great! Elle Duncan is always great hosting anything but I hadn't heard the other two. Fun vibe and I felt totally caught up on what happened in the first half.

I'm sure ad sales make it totally different for women's madness compared to the NBA on ESPN, but I was shocked at how good their halftime is when the NBA halftime on ESPN is SO bad and 95% ads.

Great game too! Most I've ever enjoyed watching women's basketball.

I'm not really convinced about the three of them either. I barely know any of them including Duncan. I can tell they do have energy together but what kind of basketball resume do Carter and Ogwumike have? The Awful Announcing article talks about Candace Parker working for TNT and she's done March Madness for CBS/TBS. You don't think she would be an upgrade? I watched Iowa/Ohio State on NBC this year and South Carolina's Aliyah Boston was on the halftime show. She won a national championship. You don't think she's more qualified to talk basketball than Andraya and Chiney? It can't just be about energy or why not replace Barkley with some Wilkes University college kid with "more energy"? I'm not saying ESPN's group isn't good but I don't get the rave reviews, especially when Rebecca Lobo is on the same staff (and she was in the studio for the first round).
Chiney Ogwumike's older sister Nneka Ogwumike has had the more stellar WNBA career though both were 1st overall WNBA picks, both played for Stanford. NNeka was the WNBA MVP in 2016. Lobo did not have much of a pro career due to injuries.

Being a good player doesn't make you a good announcer or coach.

I don't know if Hannah Storm played basketball, but she was great covering the NBA. Of course, her dad was GM of the Kentucky Colonels and was a commissioner of the ABA. So she had plenty of exposure.
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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.
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(04-07-2024 08:23 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.

People like me get turned off by them ramming it down our throats, like comparing Clark to the incomparable Pete Maravich. Its downright stupid for those of us who know the facts and actually saw Pete play.

There's a difference between lots of promotion and what they have been doing with Clark which gets into the ramming type. Its like the difference between subtle social commentary in Hollywood films vs. preachy in your face social commentary.
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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
(04-07-2024 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:23 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.

People like me get turned off by them ramming it down our throats, like comparing Clark to the incomparable Pete Maravich. Its downright stupid for those of us who know the facts and actually saw Pete play.

There's a difference between lots of promotion and what they have been doing with Clark which gets into the ramming type. Its like the difference between subtle social commentary in Hollywood films vs. preachy in your face social commentary.

No entertainment is more in vogue, throughout history, than the entertainment earlier generations complain about.

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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
(04-07-2024 07:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2024 11:19 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(04-03-2024 05:16 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-02-2024 03:33 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  
(04-02-2024 01:31 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  This broadcast crew is drawing attention as 'the clear gold standard.'

ESPN’s women’s college basketball studio show featuring Elle Duncan, Andraya Carter and Chiney Ogwumike has arrived. They’ve got all the ingredients of an all-star, can’t miss lineup.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-ha...arity.html

[Image: Screen-Shot-2024-04-02-at-12.35.10-PM-832x447.png]

Tuned in at halftime. They were really great! Elle Duncan is always great hosting anything but I hadn't heard the other two. Fun vibe and I felt totally caught up on what happened in the first half.

I'm sure ad sales make it totally different for women's madness compared to the NBA on ESPN, but I was shocked at how good their halftime is when the NBA halftime on ESPN is SO bad and 95% ads.

Great game too! Most I've ever enjoyed watching women's basketball.

I'm not really convinced about the three of them either. I barely know any of them including Duncan. I can tell they do have energy together but what kind of basketball resume do Carter and Ogwumike have? The Awful Announcing article talks about Candace Parker working for TNT and she's done March Madness for CBS/TBS. You don't think she would be an upgrade? I watched Iowa/Ohio State on NBC this year and South Carolina's Aliyah Boston was on the halftime show. She won a national championship. You don't think she's more qualified to talk basketball than Andraya and Chiney? It can't just be about energy or why not replace Barkley with some Wilkes University college kid with "more energy"? I'm not saying ESPN's group isn't good but I don't get the rave reviews, especially when Rebecca Lobo is on the same staff (and she was in the studio for the first round).
Chiney Ogwumike's older sister Nneka Ogwumike has had the more stellar WNBA career though both were 1st overall WNBA picks, both played for Stanford. NNeka was the WNBA MVP in 2016. Lobo did not have much of a pro career due to injuries.

Being a good player doesn't make you a good announcer or coach.

I don't know if Hannah Storm played basketball, but she was great covering the NBA. Of course, her dad was GM of the Kentucky Colonels and was a commissioner of the ABA. So she had plenty of exposure.

Schmolik suggested that Ogwumike didn't have basketball credibility.

Hannah Storm has just launched a podcast. The first episode was about her dad and the ABA. When Hannah started to be serious about a boy, her Dad and two brothers would play a game of 2-on-2. It helped if he could shoot. But the real test was if he could take a hard foul (a body check or being shoved into the bushes). If he got all whiny he wasn't right for Hannah. Her husband is Dan Hicks who has a credible game.

If you know much about the early ABA the podcast is a fun listen.

I remember when Hannah was doing halftime and postgame for the Rockets before she went to CNN.
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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
(04-07-2024 07:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2024 11:19 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(04-03-2024 05:16 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-02-2024 03:33 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  
(04-02-2024 01:31 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  This broadcast crew is drawing attention as 'the clear gold standard.'

ESPN’s women’s college basketball studio show featuring Elle Duncan, Andraya Carter and Chiney Ogwumike has arrived. They’ve got all the ingredients of an all-star, can’t miss lineup.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-ha...arity.html

[Image: Screen-Shot-2024-04-02-at-12.35.10-PM-832x447.png]

Tuned in at halftime. They were really great! Elle Duncan is always great hosting anything but I hadn't heard the other two. Fun vibe and I felt totally caught up on what happened in the first half.

I'm sure ad sales make it totally different for women's madness compared to the NBA on ESPN, but I was shocked at how good their halftime is when the NBA halftime on ESPN is SO bad and 95% ads.

Great game too! Most I've ever enjoyed watching women's basketball.

I'm not really convinced about the three of them either. I barely know any of them including Duncan. I can tell they do have energy together but what kind of basketball resume do Carter and Ogwumike have? The Awful Announcing article talks about Candace Parker working for TNT and she's done March Madness for CBS/TBS. You don't think she would be an upgrade? I watched Iowa/Ohio State on NBC this year and South Carolina's Aliyah Boston was on the halftime show. She won a national championship. You don't think she's more qualified to talk basketball than Andraya and Chiney? It can't just be about energy or why not replace Barkley with some Wilkes University college kid with "more energy"? I'm not saying ESPN's group isn't good but I don't get the rave reviews, especially when Rebecca Lobo is on the same staff (and she was in the studio for the first round).
Chiney Ogwumike's older sister Nneka Ogwumike has had the more stellar WNBA career though both were 1st overall WNBA picks, both played for Stanford. NNeka was the WNBA MVP in 2016. Lobo did not have much of a pro career due to injuries.

Being a good player doesn't make you a good announcer or coach.

I don't know if Hannah Storm played basketball, but she was great covering the NBA. Of course, her dad was GM of the Kentucky Colonels and was a commissioner of the ABA. So she had plenty of exposure.

Hannah's role is the host not analyst. No one expects Rece Davis or Jim Nantz to be athletes, we expect the analysts to be.

Yes, there are certainly exceptions. Dick Vitale was never a top coach but grew to become an awesome announcer. I remember Kirk Herbstreit at Ohio State as a quarterback but he was nothing to write home about but now he's made a name for himself on Gameday. And Tony Romo will never make the Hall of Fame as a QB but might one day as a game commentator. But at the beginning it's hard to trust "nobodies". Maybe in a few years Andraya Carter will become as big in women's basketball as these other people are their sports. I do like Andraya's energy and I think Andraya just might be a bigger Paige Bueckers fan than I am if that's at all humanly possible:) Let's see what happens next season!
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(04-07-2024 08:55 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:23 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.

People like me get turned off by them ramming it down our throats, like comparing Clark to the incomparable Pete Maravich. Its downright stupid for those of us who know the facts and actually saw Pete play.

There's a difference between lots of promotion and what they have been doing with Clark which gets into the ramming type. Its like the difference between subtle social commentary in Hollywood films vs. preachy in your face social commentary.

No entertainment is more in vogue, throughout history, than the entertainment earlier generations complain about.

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(04-07-2024 10:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:55 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-07-2024 08:23 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.

People like me get turned off by them ramming it down our throats, like comparing Clark to the incomparable Pete Maravich. Its downright stupid for those of us who know the facts and actually saw Pete play.

There's a difference between lots of promotion and what they have been doing with Clark which gets into the ramming type. Its like the difference between subtle social commentary in Hollywood films vs. preachy in your face social commentary.

No entertainment is more in vogue, throughout history, than the entertainment earlier generations complain about.

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RE: Is forcing women’s basketball down our throats actually working?
(04-07-2024 08:23 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  I think this was mostly a one time thing and women's basketball will fade back quickly to what it was. I find some of the female commentators during halftime and after the game kind of smug and hard to listen to in their trying to overpush women's basketball. I do agree with the previous poster, that having stars that are younger and more feminine helps, especially with a male audience. It's true.

The WNBA badly needs to have their stars stick to sports and talking about the games instead of politics and activism.

While I agree that sports stars are better off staying in their lane, so to speak, I'm curious why you think this is just a WNBA problem. NBA players have been quite outspoken on non-basketball matters in recent years, women's soccer players seem to have an opinion on everything, and how can we forget all the NFL players who have kneeled for the National Anthem?
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(04-08-2024 04:21 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  While I agree that sports stars are better off staying in their lane, so to speak, I'm curious why you think this is just a WNBA problem. NBA players have been quite outspoken on non-basketball matters in recent years, women's soccer players seem to have an opinion on everything, and how can we forget all the NFL players who have kneeled for the National Anthem?

The bottom line is it is predominantly male viewership that are driving the ratings... in both genders. They don't want to be lectured to, especially as they take pay cuts or lose their jobs in a stagnating economy. Women just aren't going to sit down and watch sports, unless their husbands and boyfriends/brothers are watching.

Women's international soccer, tennis, and college BBall are the bread and butter. Three of the most popular female sports (aside from one off Olympic sports where female viewers definitely tune in, ie. gymnastics, volleyball, and figure skating). But when you have players that are preachy, the male viewers will turn off the TV sets.

I will continue to watch women's soccer every two years and college BBall finals. Maybe a college volleyball final or two. You just want to keep it about the game, because these are where the max eyeballs will be at.
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Yes. It's working. 03-wink

18.7 million viewers, peaking at 24 million,
for the women's college basketball championship


How 'bout that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/w...r-BB1lhWW7
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