https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/17...47003?s=19

A lot higher than you'd expect. For the Toledo fans who have wanted to leave for decades, this shows that although UT may fit (not at the bottom) in competitiveness vs. the American or MWC, there's still lower averages amongst CUSA and SBC. Now we need to start beating them on the field/court.

By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

... or it tells you that the qualification they made was indeed important enough that it needed to be made, and these numbers should not be used without bearing the following qualification in mind:

Quote: Now, any individual conference will have its own factors to consider (especially given its existing membership base and geography), and network partners similarly have other factors on how much they would invest in ...

Or, tl;dr: don't project Garden_KitCat's abuse of a metric to the creators of the metric before looking at the context provided by the creators which Garden_KitCat bilthely ignored.

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

That says to me they could have gone to the AAC but weren't interested.

Even less interested now with UMass on the team.

Could the MAC get Temple back in if the AAC falls apart?

(03-23-2024 02:58 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

That says to me they could have gone to the AAC but weren't interested.

Even less interested now with UMass on the team.

Could the MAC get Temple back in if the AAC falls apart?

Why does it tell you that? The AAC gets significantly more money than MAC schools from TV and other revenue streams. Any MAC school would join the AAC in a heartbeat if given the offer.

(03-23-2024 02:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

... or it tells you that the qualification they made was indeed important enough that it needed to be made, and these numbers should not be used without bearing the following qualification in mind:

Quote: Now, any individual conference will have its own factors to consider (especially given its existing membership base and geography), and network partners similarly have other factors on how much they would invest in ...

Or, tl;dr: don't project Garden_KitCat's abuse of a metric to the creators of the metric before looking at the context provided by the creators which Garden_KitCat bilthely ignored.

To me, that disclosure just shows me that they admit their ranking system is flawed.

Edit: And to clarify, I don't have a problem with them modeling and producing a ranking. I just don't see how it can be assumed as fact.

(03-23-2024 03:13 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

... or it tells you that the qualification they made was indeed important enough that it needed to be made, and these numbers should not be used without bearing the following qualification in mind:

Quote: Now, any individual conference will have its own factors to consider (especially given its existing membership base and geography), and network partners similarly have other factors on how much they would invest in ...

Or, tl;dr: don't project Garden_KitCat's abuse of a metric to the creators of the metric before looking at the context provided by the creators which Garden_KitCat bilthely ignored.

To me, that disclosure just shows me that they admit their ranking system is flawed.

Edit: And to clarify, I don't have a problem with them modeling and producing a ranking. I just don't see how it can be assumed as fact.

Hey, it’s America— put it in numbers or in a list and people will foolishly believe it has real meaning.

I'd never believe Charlotte moves the needle nationally REMOTELY close to Toledo in fb, mbb and wbb. Look at the records. Look at engagement. Look at attendance. They own Toledo in market.

The money would need to come quick to justify a move to the American to subsidize travel because we struggle with cash now and bus everywhere. This verifies everything I thought I knew about these leagues. Almost no surprises through out.

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(03-23-2024 03:13 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

... or it tells you that the qualification they made was indeed important enough that it needed to be made, and these numbers should not be used without bearing the following qualification in mind:

Quote: Now, any individual conference will have its own factors to consider (especially given its existing membership base and geography), and network partners similarly have other factors on how much they would invest in ...

Or, tl;dr: don't project Garden_KitCat's abuse of a metric to the creators of the metric before looking at the context provided by the creators which Garden_KitCat bilthely ignored.

To me, that disclosure just shows me that they admit their ranking system is flawed.

If you treat "it doesn't measure everything in a single number" as a flaw, then every measure of any complex situation is flawed, because every measure only measures what it measures. A speedometer is flawed because it doesn't tell how hot the engine is running, a temperature gauge is flawed because it doesn't tell how fast the engine is running, and a tachometer is flawed because it doesn't tell you how fast the car is going.

(03-23-2024 10:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I'd never believe Charlotte moves the needle nationally REMOTELY close to Toledo in fb, mbb and wbb. Look at the records. Look at engagement. Look at attendance. They own Toledo in market.

The money would need to come quick to justify a move to the American to subsidize travel because we struggle with cash now and bus everywhere. This verifies everything I thought I knew about these leagues. Almost no surprises through out.

The AAC TV deal alone is $7 million per school. That doesn't even get into the other additional revenue streams, like NCAA tournament credits.

(03-24-2024 11:27 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 03:13 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 01:18 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  By this account Toledo is more attractive than 5 schools which are currently in the AAC.

ECU
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
UTSA
Charlotte

I know when Army was added there was a lot of interest by the AAC in Appalachian State and if you look at their score they are tops in the SBC. They also have some of the best ratings among the G5.

WKU is top brand in CUSA but would only be 6th in the MAC. I've been thinking about where they'd fit in myself and as an overall asset to the MAC I'd think they would be in the upper half of the conference. Before looking at this data.

Just tells you the validity of this metric isn't accurate. If schools like Buffalo or Toledo were more attractive then the AAC would have had them join instead of the previous schools you mentioned.

... or it tells you that the qualification they made was indeed important enough that it needed to be made, and these numbers should not be used without bearing the following qualification in mind:

Quote: Now, any individual conference will have its own factors to consider (especially given its existing membership base and geography), and network partners similarly have other factors on how much they would invest in ...

Or, tl;dr: don't project Garden_KitCat's abuse of a metric to the creators of the metric before looking at the context provided by the creators which Garden_KitCat bilthely ignored.

To me, that disclosure just shows me that they admit their ranking system is flawed.

If you treat "it doesn't measure everything in a single number" as a flaw, then every measure of any complex situation is flawed, because every measure only measures what it measures. A speedometer is flawed because it doesn't tell how hot the engine is running, a temperature gauge is flawed because it doesn't tell how fast the engine is running, and a tachometer is flawed because it doesn't tell you how fast the car is going.

A random guy on the internet creates a random formula and then posts it on the internet claiming it to be fact. You can choose to believe everything you read on the internet, but I don't.

(03-24-2024 03:18 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 10:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I'd never believe Charlotte moves the needle nationally REMOTELY close to Toledo in fb, mbb and wbb. Look at the records. Look at engagement. Look at attendance. They own Toledo in market.

The money would need to come quick to justify a move to the American to subsidize travel because we struggle with cash now and bus everywhere. This verifies everything I thought I knew about these leagues. Almost no surprises through out.

The AAC TV deal alone is $7 million per school. That doesn't even get into the other additional revenue streams, like NCAA tournament credits.

New AAC schools from CUSA only receive half a share, 3.5 million.

Minimum athletic budget in the AAC is 40 million, about 10 million more than the MAC average.

The spending outpaces the revenue in the AAC.

(03-23-2024 11:36 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/17...47003?s=19

A lot higher than you'd expect. For the Toledo fans who have wanted to leave for decades, this shows that although UT may fit (not at the bottom) in competitiveness vs. the American or MWC, there's still lower averages amongst CUSA and SBC. Now we need to start beating them on the field/court.

Another stat Miami beat Ohio U in!

(03-25-2024 03:40 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Another stat Miami beat Ohio U in!

That would be OHIO, Mr. MOFO. That single citation from this ranking that you are so proud of proves it is worthless. We are Ohio's first and finest. Miami is a junior institution and second fiddle in every important metric. You'd be much happier if you just accept that fact. I'm sure a good therapist could help you cope with your inferiority complex. I could get you in touch with one of our medical school graduates who is a past president of the Ohio Psychiatric Physicians Association. I'm sure he could give you a referral to an OU-HCOM graduate in your area who has experience diagnosing and treating Miami Inferiority Syndrome (MIS) using the Miami Inferiority Syndrome Fecal Immunochemical Test (MISFIT). I'm told it's very reliable and never fails.

(03-25-2024 05:35 PM)OhioCatFan Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 03:40 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Another stat Miami beat Ohio U in!

That would be OHIO, Mr. MOFO. That single citation from this ranking that you are so proud of proves it is worthless. We are Ohio's first and finest. Miami is a junior institution and second fiddle in every important metric. You'd be much happier if you just accept that fact. I'm sure a good therapist could help you cope with your inferiority complex. I could get you in touch with one of our medical school graduates who is a past president of the Ohio Psychiatric Physicians Association. I'm sure he could give you a referral to an OU-HCOM graduate in your area who has experience diagnosing and treating Miami Inferiority Syndrome (MIS) using the Miami Inferiority Syndrome Fecal Immunochemical Test (MISFIT). I'm told it's very reliable and never fails.

Preach, baby, preach!

When I first read the thread title, I wondered if you guys were talking about cheerleaders at MAC schools, LOL.

(03-27-2024 05:49 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  When I first read the thread title, I wondered if you guys were talking about cheerleaders at MAC schools, LOL.

I initially thought it was about the progression of Mac on It's Always Sunny.

Where does Fat Mac stand?

Swipe right for #MACtion.