(03-20-2024 06:47 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 01:03 PM)Boots Wrote:  Considering the Big 12 and ACC are near equals in regards to payouts now, do you think we could see smarter brains prevail into a merger or combined umbrella for better geography (travel costs) for the student athletes/fans?

*Assuming 6 schools will leave the ACC....I chose (as example) Miami and Florida State to Big 10. And Virginia, NC State, North Carolina, and Clemson to SEC. This now puts both the Big 10 and SEC at 20 total teams.

*That leaves 10 ACC teams left and 16 total in the Big 12 (total of 26 teams). To get to 8 schools per division (for a total of 32 teams) we added 6 new schools. Oregon State, Wash. State, SDSU, Memphis, USF, UConn.

West: Arizona State, Arizona, Utah, Stanford, Cal, SDSU, Oregon State, Washington State.

Mountain: BYU, Colorado, Ok. State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor

Central: TCU, SMU, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis.

East: Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, UCF, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UConn, USF.

If every school is making similar dollars anyway....wouldn't this be WAY less travel for fans/athletes, preserves rivalries, great football/basketball, etc.?

You forgot Duke

I give that conference about 5 years before it splits in 2

Big Boys
Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Cal, Stan, Col
Kan, Hou, Lou, GT, VT, UConn
Duke, Cincy, GT, Cuse, Pitt, Duke

Left Behinds
SDSU, Ore St, Wash St, BYU,
Kan St, OK St, Iowa St, UCF, USF,
TT, TCU, SMU, Bay, Tulane,
WV, Memphis, Wake, BC

(03-21-2024 01:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:43 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 10:51 AM)Boots Wrote:  Yes, the Big 12 just taking the best 4 ACC leftovers is certainly the highest likely outcome.

Then the ACC rebuilding itself.

The only big disadvantage to this outcome is the travel for the schools is just stupid insane. This would be a way to solve the travel issue considering everyone is getting about the same money anyway.

Not necessarily. While the B12 taking just 4 ACC schools would result in slightly smaller B12, there is no reason they couldnt use a similar pod system to make sure each season was anchored by a group of relatively nearby schools---while some sort of rotation system allows for a schedule that cycles through the rest of the league every 4-6 years. Truth be told, Im just fine with the 16 we have now. But I imagine some of the eastern Big12 schools would love to have a few closer rivalries. For instance, would W Virginia love to have Pitt in the Big12 so the Backyard Brawl would become an annual league game? Yeah---I suspect they would. Would UCF and WVU like to be playing a couple of games a year each season against schools like Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami, or NC State? Im sure they would---and if a couple of those schools were to be available it would be perfectly reasonable for the B12 to try and make that happen for those members if possible.

Divisions are gone. You don't need divisions or pods anyway to arrange scheduling patterns. 28 teams for a G5 or even an M1/2 is just stupid. There is zero benefit and lots of downsides vs. simply a joint TV contract while keeping two distinct conferences.

Division being gone is a mistake. There needs to be as little subjectivity as possible when determining post-season access. There are going to be real problems when multiple teams are tied at the top of the conference and they have to use deep tiebreakers that rely on things like "CFP ranking" to determine who gets to play in the conference championship with a shot at the playoff.

Place teams in pods, give them stakes with regional opponents/rivals, play the other conference teams intermittently. I don't care if one pod is harder than another, at the very least you know from game one that all you need to do is win your pod to advance to the conference semis/championship.

While I agree about your first paragraph, I don't think they care. Its about getting the most compelling matchup and the best ranked champ into the CFP.

That’s today’s paradigm.

As the gap between the P2 and the M2 larger and larger, a new paradigm will be required for the M2.

The M2 may become CFB’s minor league. My example of 28 team national league can hold its own 4 team playoff, which would draw reasonable amount of interest.

Not saying it’s going to happen but people need to think ahead.

(03-21-2024 02:21 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:43 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not necessarily. While the B12 taking just 4 ACC schools would result in slightly smaller B12, there is no reason they couldnt use a similar pod system to make sure each season was anchored by a group of relatively nearby schools---while some sort of rotation system allows for a schedule that cycles through the rest of the league every 4-6 years. Truth be told, Im just fine with the 16 we have now. But I imagine some of the eastern Big12 schools would love to have a few closer rivalries. For instance, would W Virginia love to have Pitt in the Big12 so the Backyard Brawl would become an annual league game? Yeah---I suspect they would. Would UCF and WVU like to be playing a couple of games a year each season against schools like Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami, or NC State? Im sure they would---and if a couple of those schools were to be available it would be perfectly reasonable for the B12 to try and make that happen for those members if possible.

Divisions are gone. You don't need divisions or pods anyway to arrange scheduling patterns. 28 teams for a G5 or even an M1/2 is just stupid. There is zero benefit and lots of downsides vs. simply a joint TV contract while keeping two distinct conferences.

Division being gone is a mistake. There needs to be as little subjectivity as possible when determining post-season access. There are going to be real problems when multiple teams are tied at the top of the conference and they have to use deep tiebreakers that rely on things like "CFP ranking" to determine who gets to play in the conference championship with a shot at the playoff.

Place teams in pods, give them stakes with regional opponents/rivals, play the other conference teams intermittently. I don't care if one pod is harder than another, at the very least you know from game one that all you need to do is win your pod to advance to the conference semis/championship.

While I agree about your first paragraph, I don't think they care. Its about getting the most compelling matchup and the best ranked champ into the CFP.

That’s today’s paradigm.

As the gap between the P2 and the M2 larger and larger, a new paradigm will be required for the M2.

The M2 may become CFB’s minor league. My example of 28 team national league can hold its own 4 team playoff, which would draw reasonable amount of interest.

Not saying it’s going to happen but people need to think ahead.

Thinking ahead is fine---but there is no reason to rush toward such a future or to do anything that might speed the arrival of that end. That said, if thats where we end up---that where we end up. Im fine with it. Back when I was a kid all I cared about was the SWC and getting to the Cotton Bowl. I never cared a lick about the other conferences---so the future you imagine---while not my preference---is something I'd be fine with. I'd enjoy my corner of the world and---like I did in the past---and I doubt Id watch much college football outside of that world.