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The Big East talking heads are in shambles right now. Least amount of bids for the league since 1993.

They are acting like they got snubbed big time but I don’t see a lot of differences between Providence, St. Johns’s, and Seton Hall’s resumes and UC’s.

It's one thing the committee got correct. The Lunardi's of the world had Seton Hall and St. John's in until yesterday and would have loved to find a way to get Providence in. Their resumes sucked.

The BE was so soft in the middle this year yet benefited from the name. They didn't deserve more than 3 bids.

So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

(03-17-2024 07:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Conferences with multiple bids...

8 B12, SEC
6 BIG, MWC
5 ACC
4 P12
3 BE
2 AAC, A10, WCC

The MWC with six bids. I dunno about that one.

Think about the B16 next year. 10-12 bids?

Bolded, will the B12 be a 10-11 bid league next season with the Pac 12 additions...or will the SEC/B10 cabal make sure that doesn't happen?

(03-18-2024 09:04 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 07:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Conferences with multiple bids...

8 B12, SEC
6 BIG, MWC
5 ACC
4 P12
3 BE
2 AAC, A10, WCC

The MWC with six bids. I dunno about that one.

Think about the B16 next year. 10-12 bids?

Bolded, will the B12 be a 10-11 bid league next season with the Pac 12 additions...or will the SEC/B10 cabal make sure that doesn't happen?

I don't think they even care about the NCAAT at this point. The problem is going to be if there will be a separation of power in conference standings or a consolidation around the .500 line next year and how that will look in all of the metrics

(03-18-2024 08:25 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's one thing the committee got correct. The Lunardi's of the world had Seton Hall and St. John's in until yesterday and would have loved to find a way to get Providence in. Their resumes sucked.

The BE was so soft in the middle this year yet benefited from the name. They didn't deserve more than 3 bids.

It’s hilarious. They’re taking aim at the Big 12 and the non conference schedules even though it was pretty clear the committee took that into effect.

St. John’s won one game over a tournament team all season and it was a home game. Providence lost to two Big 12 teams that didn’t make the tournament. Seton Hall beat Marquette and UConn at home and that was their entire resume with bad analytical numbers across the board. Villanova actually did win non conference games, but also lost some really bad ones, and then fell apart in conference.

You could make an argument for one of them over Virginia but that’s about it

Big East better hope UConn doesn’t figure out how to run a semi competent football program. Because if they leave, and with Jay Wright collecting TV checks, they could be in some trouble.

(03-18-2024 09:26 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:25 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's one thing the committee got correct. The Lunardi's of the world had Seton Hall and St. John's in until yesterday and would have loved to find a way to get Providence in. Their resumes sucked.

The BE was so soft in the middle this year yet benefited from the name. They didn't deserve more than 3 bids.

It’s hilarious. They’re taking aim at the Big 12 and the non conference schedules even though it was pretty clear the committee took that into effect.

St. John’s won one game over a tournament team all season and it was a home game. Providence lost to two Big 12 teams that didn’t make the tournament. Seton Hall beat Marquette and UConn at home and that was their entire resume with bad analytical numbers across the board. Villanova actually did win non conference games, but also lost some really bad ones, and then fell apart in conference.

You could make an argument for one of them over Virginia but that’s about it

Big East better hope UConn doesn’t figure out how to run a semi competent football program. Because if they leave, and with Jay Wright collecting TV checks, they could be in some trouble.

It's always funny to watch Big East/ESPN stuff. Obviously they're now not an ESPN property, but each owes so much of where they are now to the other that they tend to get treated with kid gloves.

The more I look at it, the more Boise State being in the field baffles me.

One good win OOC against St. Marys at a neutral site
Losses to Clemson, VT, Butler, and Wazzou in OOC
Played two D2 schools in OOC
Only "good" wins in conference were two against San Diego State

Their Q1 wins were all against other MWC teams with similar resumes. You talk about NET inflation, all of their NETS ballooned due to beating the brakes off of terrible teams in the OOC. The only wins of consequence in the OOC for the entire MWC were Colorado State beating Creighton and San Diego State beating Gonzaga...no other Q1 wins OOC and only 2 other Q2 wins OOC for the entire group of 5 schools heading to the tournament.

(03-18-2024 02:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The more I look at it, the more Boise State being in the field baffles me.

One good win OOC against St. Marys at a neutral site
Losses to Clemson, VT, Butler, and Wazzou in OOC
Played two D2 schools in OOC
Only "good" wins in conference were two against San Diego State

Their Q1 wins were all against other MWC teams with similar resumes. You talk about NET inflation, all of their NETS ballooned due to beating the brakes off of terrible teams in the OOC. The only wins of consequence in the OOC for the entire MWC were Colorado State beating Creighton and San Diego State beating Gonzaga...no other Q1 wins OOC and only 2 other Q2 wins OOC for the entire group of 5 schools heading to the tournament.

Honestly, playing a couple of D2 schools isn't a bad plan. Those games just don't count in the metrics at all. So they don't count against your nonconference SOS. If Oklahoma replaced a couple of their sub 330 kenpom teams with a couple of D2 schools they probably have a top 200 SOS.

You should be penalized and drop an additional 10 spots in NET for every D2 game you play.

(03-18-2024 08:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

I forgot that Purdue lost as a 1 seed to a 16. That was only the second time in history it has happened, and it happened pretty recently the first time to Virginia.

Virginia responded the next year by winning the championship.

In a weird way.. i could almost see Purdue doing the same. Their bracket seems farely easy other than Tennessee.

(03-18-2024 06:18 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

I forgot that Purdue lost as a 1 seed to a 16. That was only the second time in history it has happened, and it happened pretty recently the first time to Virginia.

Virginia responded the next year by winning the championship.

In a weird way.. i could almost see Purdue doing the same. Their bracket seems farely easy other than Tennessee.

It's not just last season. Matt Painter and Purdue have underachieved overall in the NCAAT. In his 14 appearances, Matt has one E8 and no FF's. Granted, this is only the second time his squad is a one seed but seven other times Purdue has been a four seed or better...

#2 2018
#3 2022, 2019, 2011
#4 2021, 2017, 2010

I guess this could be the year but I wouldn't pick 'em coming out of the Midwest. I don't feel much better about Rick Barnes and Tennessee for similar reasons. We shall see.

(03-18-2024 08:18 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  The Big East talking heads are in shambles right now. Least amount of bids for the league since 1993.

They are acting like they got snubbed big time but I don’t see a lot of differences between Providence, St. Johns’s, and Seton Hall’s resumes and UC’s.

Seton Hall went 6-9 in games away from home this season. Three of the wins were against the worst three power conference teams we’ve ever seen in DePaul, Georgetown, and Missouri.

So 3-9 in games away from home against teams with a pulse. The wins were against 3 NIT teams. They lost the 9 games by an AVERAGE of 19 points.

Yeah that’s not gonna cut it.

(03-18-2024 09:26 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:25 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's one thing the committee got correct. The Lunardi's of the world had Seton Hall and St. John's in until yesterday and would have loved to find a way to get Providence in. Their resumes sucked.

The BE was so soft in the middle this year yet benefited from the name. They didn't deserve more than 3 bids.

It’s hilarious. They’re taking aim at the Big 12 and the non conference schedules even though it was pretty clear the committee took that into effect.

St. John’s won one game over a tournament team all season and it was a home game. Providence lost to two Big 12 teams that didn’t make the tournament. Seton Hall beat Marquette and UConn at home and that was their entire resume with bad analytical numbers across the board. Villanova actually did win non conference games, but also lost some really bad ones, and then fell apart in conference.

You could make an argument for one of them over Virginia but that’s about it

Big East better hope UConn doesn’t figure out how to run a semi competent football program. Because if they leave, and with Jay Wright collecting TV checks, they could be in some trouble.

Bolded, well said. I think if the UCONN brick is removed from the foundation, that house could crumble, along with their media deal renegotiation. I'm wondering if those mediocre, middle of the pack Big East teams this year are foreshadowing the inability of smaller, private universities to compete with P5 publics in the new world of NIL?

(03-18-2024 06:18 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

I forgot that Purdue lost as a 1 seed to a 16. That was only the second time in history it has happened, and it happened pretty recently the first time to Virginia.

Virginia responded the next year by winning the championship.

In a weird way.. i could almost see Purdue doing the same. Their bracket seems farely easy other than Tennessee.

Yeeeaaahhhhh... that's not gonna happen.

(03-19-2024 06:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 06:18 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

I forgot that Purdue lost as a 1 seed to a 16. That was only the second time in history it has happened, and it happened pretty recently the first time to Virginia.

Virginia responded the next year by winning the championship.

In a weird way.. i could almost see Purdue doing the same. Their bracket seems farely easy other than Tennessee.

Yeeeaaahhhhh... that's not gonna happen.

TCU seems like a nightmare matchup for Purdue if they make it to the second round. Edey can't run the way that TCU will try to speed them up.

(03-19-2024 08:09 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 06:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 06:18 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:58 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So who all is picking Purdue for the final four???

I forgot that Purdue lost as a 1 seed to a 16. That was only the second time in history it has happened, and it happened pretty recently the first time to Virginia.

Virginia responded the next year by winning the championship.

In a weird way.. i could almost see Purdue doing the same. Their bracket seems farely easy other than Tennessee.

Yeeeaaahhhhh... that's not gonna happen.

TCU seems like a nightmare matchup for Purdue if they make it to the second round. Edey can't run the way that TCU will try to speed them up.

Neither can Smith and Loyer.

Dang guys, you have me unsure about Purdue then. I get that they have that Kansas choke job thing going on.

Virginia, who scored fewer than 50 points in 4 games this season is well on their way to #5.

Yeah, Virginia is doing Virginia stuff.