(03-16-2024 05:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Damn, time flies. Seems like just yesterday when the current deal was signed. That was 11 years ago this week!

I recall a lot of cackling on the AAC board the first few years, with AAC fanboys saying the Big East would die on the vines due to pathetic FS1 ratings and terrible "exposure".

Instead, Big East hoops has thrived the past 11 years and is accorded all the respect of an honorary "P" conference, while AAC hoops and P6 dreams have gone down the drain, all while being televised wall to wall on the Mothership.

MWC could also filled that void as their hoops have like 7 teams that are strong. Better than the Big Least. With SDSU in the finals last year? It would be a matter of time for a MWC team wins the men's hoops.

Not sure if the MW is better than the Big East this year - but the mere fact that it is in question says that the MW has been damn good, having a banner year.

Of course, you have to sustain it, can't be a one-year wonder. But I do tip my hat to the season the MW has had so far.

The tournament should be interesting, always is.

It is back to back year for the MWC. They had 7 teams last season that performed strongly.

And lost to the Big LEast. They've won nothing.

(03-17-2024 11:27 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 09:09 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  At the end of the day, anything that adds $$$ to the Big East should be considered. The negatives in proximity of Dayton to Xavier is, respectively, foolish if the league is leaving money on the table.

I have a lot of clients from my job in Dayton and they all say the same thing, they can’t get in the Big East because of Xavier.

But I agree with you. If Dayton adds money to the conference and Villanova, UConn, Georgetown, etc. are all on board adding them are they really going to let Xavier being upset about it stand in their way? I highly doubt it.

Xavier keeping Dayton out of the Big East is a myth, even though Xavier doesn't want Dayton in the Big East. It is UConn, Villanova, Marquette & Georgetown keeping Dayton out of the Big East. Those schools have no interest in playing Dayton even though this Board seems to think they do. In fact I would be very surprised if any current Big East school wants to add Dayton. Only way Dayton is added is if Fox says we will give you more $$ if you add Dayton.

(03-17-2024 11:44 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 11:31 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

Yeah, Gonzaga could be Wichita State very quickly.

I think people group StL in there because it's Catholic and bridges the gap to Creighton.

This is one of the cases where "bridge the gap" actually means a bit of something ... where quite often it means nothing ... since for some of the Midwestern Big East schools, with travel partner scheduling they can drive to SLU, drive from there to Creighton (6hrs Google drive time), and then fly home, or the reverse.

But it's still extra cost, so unless SLU's brand equity rises, the game is not worth the candle.

If X is viewing Cincinnati + Dayton as "greater Cincinnati" and don't want to give a boost to a rival, I don't know if they aren't looking at the wrong side of things. UC's entry into the Big12 seems likely to boost their basketball recruiting, and one counter to that would be for X to increase the intensity of their support by bringing a "northern end of Greater Cinci vs Southern end of Greater Cinci" rivalry into the other Power basketball conference in the region.

Xavier considers its market to be Ohio for Big East purposes. Adding a second team in state, especially one so close, is not a good decision for Xavier. Playing UC every year + Big East schedule provides all the firepower needed. Adding more rivarly games just makes it harder to make the tournament.

UC has decided to be a football school, so Xavier will be able to compete. Its clear that the focus at UC has moved, which I believe is the right move. Its rare for any university to be great at both football and basketball. Football is the right focus for Cincinnati.

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

St Louis would do better with the better exposure, competition and $$$. Also would help Creighton out a bit with travel.

Gonzaga and St Mary’s could make as much $$$ being in the MW/Pac-14. MW has Fox and CBS as tv partners currently and up for new tv contract that expires in 2026. Fox and Friends (NBC,CBS) could use a little more western time zone content.

(03-16-2024 10:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 09:08 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

Consensus on this thread is that the BE will get somewhere between $6-8 million for its basketball rights. Is there any world in which Dayton basketball is worth $6 million?

They're certainly not good enough on the court for that kind of money -- they're significantly worse than Seton Hall and Providence. They bring a new city, but it's not a new state or a particularly big market.

If I were in charge of Fox, I'd suggest an out-of-conference game for each BE team in January and February to drum up some inventory. With the 11 member conference, every team has a Wednesday and a Saturday 'bye" during conference play. Fill those up with some OOC games and you can increase your inventory without ponying up an extra $6 million.

Markets don’t matter unless there is a conference network, which there isn’t. They certainly are good enough on the court considering they have a .579 winning percentage vs Xavier, .507 vs DePaul and .636 vs Creighton.

* .700 vs Seton Hall and .600 vs St. John’s

Plus they pack their arena every game. I’ve actually been there.

So Detroit Mercy is out of the BigEast expansion discussions??? ;P

(03-17-2024 11:59 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 11:44 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 11:31 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

Yeah, Gonzaga could be Wichita State very quickly.

I think people group StL in there because it's Catholic and bridges the gap to Creighton.

This is one of the cases where "bridge the gap" actually means a bit of something ... where quite often it means nothing ... since for some of the Midwestern Big East schools, with travel partner scheduling they can drive to SLU, drive from there to Creighton (6hrs Google drive time), and then fly home, or the reverse.

But it's still extra cost, so unless SLU's brand equity rises, the game is not worth the candle.

If X is viewing Cincinnati + Dayton as "greater Cincinnati" and don't want to give a boost to a rival, I don't know if they aren't looking at the wrong side of things. UC's entry into the Big12 seems likely to boost their basketball recruiting, and one counter to that would be for X to increase the intensity of their support by bringing a "northern end of Greater Cinci vs Southern end of Greater Cinci" rivalry into the other Power basketball conference in the region.

Xavier considers its market to be Ohio for Big East purposes. Adding a second team in state, especially one so close, is not a good decision for Xavier. Playing UC every year + Big East schedule provides all the firepower needed. Adding more rivarly games just makes it harder to make the tournament.

UC has decided to be a football school, so Xavier will be able to compete. Its clear that the focus at UC has moved, which I believe is the right move. Its rare for any university to be great at both football and basketball. Football is the right focus for Cincinnati.

(03-17-2024 12:26 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 10:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 09:08 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

Consensus on this thread is that the BE will get somewhere between $6-8 million for its basketball rights. Is there any world in which Dayton basketball is worth $6 million?

They're certainly not good enough on the court for that kind of money -- they're significantly worse than Seton Hall and Providence. They bring a new city, but it's not a new state or a particularly big market.

If I were in charge of Fox, I'd suggest an out-of-conference game for each BE team in January and February to drum up some inventory. With the 11 member conference, every team has a Wednesday and a Saturday 'bye" during conference play. Fill those up with some OOC games and you can increase your inventory without ponying up an extra $6 million.

Markets don’t matter unless there is a conference network, which there isn’t. They certainly are good enough on the court considering they have a .579 winning percentage vs Xavier, .507 vs DePaul and .636 vs Creighton.

* .700 vs Seton Hall and .600 vs St. John’s

Plus they pack their arena every game. I’ve actually been there.

So Detroit Mercy is out of the BigEast expansion discussions??? ;P

The A10 added X and UD at the same time and it was an absolutely brilliant move. I don't know why it wouldn't work out for the Big East. It would be adding more meat to the grinder, I suppose. Maybe ya'll should look into UDM to help out DePaul lol

(03-16-2024 10:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 05:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Damn, time flies. Seems like just yesterday when the current deal was signed. That was 11 years ago this week!

I recall a lot of cackling on the AAC board the first few years, with AAC fanboys saying the Big East would die on the vines due to pathetic FS1 ratings and terrible "exposure".

Instead, Big East hoops has thrived the past 11 years and is accorded all the respect of an honorary "P" conference, while AAC hoops and P6 dreams have gone down the drain, all while being televised wall to wall on the Mothership.

MWC could also filled that void as their hoops have like 7 teams that are strong. Better than the Big Least. With SDSU in the finals last year? It would be a matter of time for a MWC team wins the men's hoops.

Not sure if the MW is better than the Big East this year - but the mere fact that it is in question says that the MW has been damn good, having a banner year.

Of course, you have to sustain it, can't be a one-year wonder. But I do tip my hat to the season the MW has had so far.

The tournament should be interesting, always is.

It is back to back year for the MWC. They had 7 teams last season that performed strongly.

Eh, they had 4 in the NCAA tournament.

BTW, the MW was 5-4 in the big dance last year. The Big East was 12-4.

Did the PAC 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big East and Big 12 deserved that many in? They put a team in those 6 conferences with less than 20 wins over a team that have 20 wins. MWC had 6 teams last year with 20 + wins and one with 19. This is the same thing as well. 6 teams with 20 + wins and UNLV sitting at 19 wins.

It's been said that if Gonzaga was in Pitsburgh, Upstate New York or even Minneapolis they would be in the BE. The same could be said, but i don't remember hearing it, about Dayton. I was once of the opinion that Dayton's relatively close distance from Xavier was an issue. I now don't think it should be.[/i] Think about it. How many programs are or were in a conference successfully with another program "close" by?
SJU/Seton Hall
Seton Hall/Rutgers
UConn/PC
PC/BC
Duke/UNC/Wake/NCSt
Michigan/MSU
USC/UCLA
ETC

No reason why Xavier and Dayton couldn't both thrive