(03-15-2024 11:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The underlying problem is cultural. CFB just isn't as popular across most of the ACC as it is in the SEC and B1G areas. Changing culture is almost impossible.

I disagree on this point (unless by "most of the ACC" you mean Tobacco Road).

#1 Sport, by ACC school:

BC - FB
Clemson - FB
Duke - MBB
FSU - FB
GT - FB
UL -MBB?
UM - FB
UNC - MBB
NC St - FB?
Pitt - FB
'Cuse - MBB?
UVA - MBB
VT -FB
Wake - FB

By my count that's 8 or 9 FB first, 3 to 5 MBB first, depending on how you call a handful that are on the fence.

(03-15-2024 01:09 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  I keep wondering what would happen to college sports if the NFL decided to start playing games on both Saturday and Sunday throughout the entire season. College football would instantly become vastly less profitable. The balance between college football and basketball revenues would change dramatically. College athletic revenues would take a major hit but it might be a healthier environment without all the instability we see now.

This is a great point! And the NFL may feel like the CFP fired the first shot...

(03-15-2024 08:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The underlying problem is cultural. CFB just isn't as popular across most of the ACC as it is in the SEC and B1G areas. Changing culture is almost impossible.

I disagree on this point (unless by "most of the ACC" you mean Tobacco Road).

#1 Sport, by ACC school:

BC - FB
Clemson - FB
Duke - MBB
FSU - FB
GT - FB
UL -MBB?
UM - FB
UNC - MBB
NC St - FB?
Pitt - FB
'Cuse - MBB?
UVA - MBB
VT -FB
Wake - FB

By my count that's 8 or 9 FB first, 3 to 5 MBB first, depending on how you call a handful that are on the fence.

(03-15-2024 01:09 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  I keep wondering what would happen to college sports if the NFL decided to start playing games on both Saturday and Sunday throughout the entire season. College football would instantly become vastly less profitable. The balance between college football and basketball revenues would change dramatically. College athletic revenues would take a major hit but it might be a healthier environment without all the instability we see now.

This is a great point! And the NFL may feel like the CFP fired the first shot...

How are you gauging the number one sport? I can assure you that basketball is historically more important to Wake than football. It would have been more important at NC State if not for the wholesale destruction of the basketball program 30 years ago. Lawrence Joel seats 14.6K, about the same as UVa. State, UNC, and Louisville seat 19.5, 21.7 and 22 K respectively. The Carrier Dome seats 33K. Only Duke has remained purposely small. So for half the league basketball is the most important sport or damn near equal to football.

(03-15-2024 09:22 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The underlying problem is cultural. CFB just isn't as popular across most of the ACC as it is in the SEC and B1G areas. Changing culture is almost impossible.

I disagree on this point (unless by "most of the ACC" you mean Tobacco Road).

#1 Sport, by ACC school:

BC - FB
Clemson - FB
Duke - MBB
FSU - FB
GT - FB
UL -MBB?
UM - FB
UNC - MBB
NC St - FB?
Pitt - FB
'Cuse - MBB?
UVA - MBB
VT -FB
Wake - FB

By my count that's 8 or 9 FB first, 3 to 5 MBB first, depending on how you call a handful that are on the fence.

(03-15-2024 01:09 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  I keep wondering what would happen to college sports if the NFL decided to start playing games on both Saturday and Sunday throughout the entire season. College football would instantly become vastly less profitable. The balance between college football and basketball revenues would change dramatically. College athletic revenues would take a major hit but it might be a healthier environment without all the instability we see now.

This is a great point! And the NFL may feel like the CFP fired the first shot...

How are you gauging the number one sport? I can assure you that basketball is historically more important to Wake than football. It would have been more important at NC State if not for the wholesale destruction of the basketball program 30 years ago. Lawrence Joel seats 14.6K, about the same as UVa. State, UNC, and Louisville seat 19.5, 21.7 and 22 K respectively. The Carrier Dome seats 33K. Only Duke has remained purposely small. So for half the league basketball is the most important sport or damn near equal to football.

That was my estimate of the CURRENT #1 sport at each school, based on the last 10 years or so. No concern for ancient history (yes, I'm old enough to remember the last time NC State won a MBB national title, but that was a different era).

(03-15-2024 08:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The underlying problem is cultural. CFB just isn't as popular across most of the ACC as it is in the SEC and B1G areas. Changing culture is almost impossible.

I disagree on this point (unless by "most of the ACC" you mean Tobacco Road).

#1 Sport, by ACC school:

BC - FB Big East, def MBB
Clemson - FB
Duke - MBB
FSU - FB
GT - FB Calculus
UL -MBB? Def MBB
UM - FB
UNC - MBB
NC St - FB? MBB—don't get fooled
Pitt - FB MBB—they ditched their stadium and built a bball arena
'Cuse - MBB? Def MBB
UVA - MBB
VT -FB
Wake - FB MBB

By my count that's 8 or 9 FB first, 3 to 5 MBB first, depending on how you call a handful that are on the fence.

I will say, of new additions SMU is FB-first, Stanford is WBB-first, and Cal is a student protest school.

It's a watershed moment, no question. The ACC and B12 are M leagues in a P2 world. It's official now.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...30007.html

Schools have decisions to make. Let's hope ESPN is working with commissioners to expedite those choices rather than keep the process ugly.

(03-15-2024 07:12 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 07:05 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 01:25 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  VT grossly overschedules itself.

Have you even looked at VT OOC schedule recently and in the future?

2021 - WVU, ND
2022 - WVU
2023 - Purdue, Rutgers
2024 - Vanderbilt, Rutgers
2025 - Vanderbilt, South Carolina
2026 - Maryland
2027 - Maryland. ND
2028 - Maryland. ND
2029 - Maryland, Arizona
2030 - BYU, Arizona

VT is scheduling 2 P4 a year but it is the absolute dregs of the P4. The only way VT can schedule any lighter is to not play P4 OOC games.

Edit: ND is not the dregs but we don't want to drop those games either.

You omitted Bama in 34/35, Wisconsin in 31 and 32, Ole Miss in 32 and 37, etc.

MD might be the dregs to you, but you will not be the dregs to them. You are not in the Coastal anymore, might want to adjust. You also omitted stupid contests at ODU in 24, 27, 29, and 31 as well as a home and home with Liberty in 28 and 30.


This is STUPID scheduling. It might be great entertainment in the Commonwealth but it's not in the league's interest for you to lose a third of these games for no reason other than looking past them and having to play them in bumfoozle.

This is just a repeat of the Boise State in DC, JMU three days later bull ****. I was working on campus when that egg was laid.

Let UVa play the patsy.

We may be elite again by 2030 and those schedules won't look so tough. But for the next 7 years, we play teams that even an average VT team should destroy. If you're going to play G5, you might as well play the ones in you're own state. It brings a lot more interest and fans to games that are not p5.

(03-15-2024 11:43 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  It's a watershed moment, no question. The ACC and B12 are M leagues in a P2 world. It's official now.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...30007.html

Schools have decisions to make. Let's hope ESPN is working with commissioners to expedite those choices rather than keep the process ugly.

lol you do know the lawyers are already involved, correct?

(03-15-2024 11:43 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  It's a watershed moment, no question. The ACC and B12 are M leagues in a P2 world. It's official now.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...30007.html

Schools have decisions to make. Let's hope ESPN is working with commissioners to expedite those choices rather than keep the process ugly.

Why would ESPN want to pay FSU like a P2 when they don't have too?
Why would ESPN want to pay USF like a P4 when they don't have too?

Seems to me they would fight to keep these things from happening.

If FSU leaves they will probably be the P2 equivalent of SMU who has to rely on Boosters for 9 years because of reduced pay outs from the B1G or SEC.

The CFP % are set up for a reason. Among other things they discourage expanding as your payout will only be divided more ways.

(03-16-2024 12:09 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:43 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  It's a watershed moment, no question. The ACC and B12 are M leagues in a P2 world. It's official now.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...30007.html

Schools have decisions to make. Let's hope ESPN is working with commissioners to expedite those choices rather than keep the process ugly.

Why would ESPN want to pay FSU like a P2 when they don't have too?
Why would ESPN want to pay USF like a P4 when they don't have too?

Seems to me they would fight to keep these things from happening.

If FSU leaves they will probably be the P2 equivalent of SMU who has to rely on Boosters for 9 years because of reduced pay outs from the B1G or SEC.

The CFP % are set up for a reason. Among other things they discourage expanding as your payout will only be divided more ways.

Any 'further realignment' triggers the crafting of a new CFP deal. No worries about dividing the pie more ways. The P2 + ESPN just bake a new pie.

The ACC is now a second-tier league by its own admission. It gets the slice it gets. For schools this becomes a question of meeting future payroll. Any media entity that benefits from certain programs being nationally competitive has an interest in helping them remain so.

Individual schools need not be stuck in a caste as conferences are. Commissioners know this. It would be helpful if pragmatism and a sense of cooperation won the day.