(03-17-2024 04:11 PM)MeanGreenStebo Wrote:  It’s dirt cheap to travel to Vegas. The UTA fans could have gone very easily. It’s also spring break right now so family obligations are less of a burden. I don’t think you can fault GCU for that final dunk, the game was very close 45 seconds prior and UTA had not stopped trying to get back in it.

The officiating was in UTA’s favor that final 10 minutes. Multiple calls overturned and given to blue. My wife graduated from UTA and I stayed up late to cheer the Mavs on. GCU was the better team. They have a great fan base and that should be encouraged, not stifled. The WAC looked legit on national TV last night. Why would you want to stick the tourney in a boring destination that nobody is willing to travel to? Lots of sour grapes.

The UTA coach handled himself with class in my opinion and calmed things down.

The travel to Vegas can be done fairly cheap, but the tickets aren't. To go to a WAC tourney would be: travel, food, lodging and tickets. College students don't have that kinda money. I couldn't afford that right now. Vegas is a fine city, but it gives GCU too much of a homecourt advantage. Of course, they would bus their students to Orlando if they had to and pay for all of the above. I didn't watch the game. One of the biggest problems of the WAC tourney is the horrible time scheduling, and yes, I am fully aware of time differences. I grew up in the Phoenix area, but 10:30pm games are asinine. GCU is talented for sure, I just hate them in general and they are a bad look for the WAC, too many other schools that are better ambassadors for the conference if they can win the games.

(03-17-2024 12:39 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Man, UTA sure pulled some low rent sh!t in this tourney. First the ballsy move on Jakorie Smith leading to ejection, then the classless celebration in front of our bench. One of UTAs coaches even tried to square off with Joe Jones (bad idea). Then we see this hissy fit temper tantrum last night on national TV because somebody dunked on a breakaway with a minute left to play. Disgraceful, to say the least, and for sure a black eye on the WAC. Earlier I spoke about Tarleton and UTA being programs on two different trajectories, and trust me when I tell you the complete lack of discipline shown by UTA would NEVER happen at Tarleton. Not under BCG’s watch, and definitely not under Lonn Reisman. In my mind, the real shame was seeing UTAs coach kind of just laugh it off and try to hug it out with the opposing teams. At Tarleton, those players would be benched and dismissed from the team, effective immediately, regardless of their status. ACU and SFA have traditionally run similar (disciplined) programs.

IT. just stop. The crap talking from your bench was ridiculous. The square off happened because John Tarleton was full of sore losers.

Would never happen... I swear you think anyone that puts on a plowboy uni craps gold.

(03-17-2024 04:11 PM)MeanGreenStebo Wrote:  It’s dirt cheap to travel to Vegas. The UTA fans could have gone very easily. It’s also spring break right now so family obligations are less of a burden. I don’t think you can fault GCU for that final dunk, the game was very close 45 seconds prior and UTA had not stopped trying to get back in it.

The officiating was in UTA’s favor that final 10 minutes. Multiple calls overturned and given to blue. My wife graduated from UTA and I stayed up late to cheer the Mavs on. GCU was the better team. They have a great fan base and that should be encouraged, not stifled. The WAC looked legit on national TV last night. Why would you want to stick the tourney in a boring destination that nobody is willing to travel to? Lots of sour grapes.

The UTA coach handled himself with class in my opinion and calmed things down.

That's the WAC formula with GCU. Outrageous calls until it's out of hand, then things even out. The fact that there were so many reversals show how disparate it was. They know it is being replayed over in front of everyone. Ripping a UTA players hand to your face to get a technical, tripping yourself with one player near and no one touching you and drawing a foul, hand out of bounds touching the ball right in front of the official and they "miss" it. I saw bad officiating all year. I saw poor three times, all against GCU.

SFA's coach publicly said the officiating directly impacted their game in a loss, as GCU gets a no-call on a clear hack for a two-point loss. Tarleton and ACU fans on this board noted the same disparity in calls when they play. I lost a huge amount of respect for this conference this season and would entertain a Southland return than go through this BS again.

GCU had 50 FTA. UTA had 22. That makes Dallas Mav, Miami Heat level disparity look like a standard deviation. It wasn't fair from the start and there are ten schools frustrated right now.

(03-17-2024 12:42 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Wonder what’s cooking for Tarleton?!

https://x.com/TarletonPrez/status/176903...35099?s=20

No. Not at all.

So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

To these UTA fans you are more than welcome to go to a less competitive league like the Southland and get beat by McNeese State or the Summit and get whooped by South Dakota St... You guys had a million turnovers had tired legs for some of your players down the stretch. UTA is a good team and caught GCU last night on a bad shooting night. So they did what they have done when needed as 3 separate times vs UTA nonetheless and got to the line and shot FT's.

UTA FG% 49%
GCU FG% 39.7%

UTA 3P% 37%
GCU 3P% 30%

UTA FT 14-22 67%
GCU FT 37-50 74%

Fast break points
UTA 3
GCU 8

Rebounds GCU has 2 more 36-34

Turnovers UTA 26 GCU14

Double the turnovers as the team you keep fouls while it looked like UTA players didn't adjust their game plan but GCU did once they couldn't hit a shot to save their life they went hard to the hoop and got rewarded


Where do we all want to tournament to be placed if not Vegas? Huntsville, Alabama like CUSA? Boise like the Big Sky? Hosted by the top seed like other leagues (Would have been GCU)? Lets go play it in Hawaii? Vegas is a hotbed for conference tournaments

Another thing is UTA had 15 home games and had an average of 1777 fans per game...ACU had 1544 on average for 14 games. Lets worry about getting ppl in your local areas to come watch your schools in their home communities before we jump right to the idea of moving WAC Vegas to WAC Topeka or WAC OKC lol.

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

What'd you see on the replay that I and the official that was right there missed? I'm happy to be wrong if there's something there.

What I did see was chirping on both sides. After Koroma made a three in front of the Texan bench, he was given a T for turning around and saying something. Yet, upon replay you see them chirping first, prolly in an attempt to get him to miss. Emotions are high in the end of the year. Despite IT's claim that Tarleton's players spend every third day in the choir room, Tarleton was jawing with UTA. Until I see proof otherwise, the evidence I saw was that Tarleton played dirty on that call.

(03-17-2024 08:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

To these UTA fans you are more than welcome to go to a less competitive league like the Southland and get beat by McNeese State or the Summit and get whooped by South Dakota St... You guys had a million turnovers had tired legs for some of your players down the stretch. UTA is a good team and caught GCU last night on a bad shooting night. So they did what they have done when needed as 3 separate times vs UTA nonetheless and got to the line and shot FT's.

UTA FG% 49%
GCU FG% 39.7%

UTA 3P% 37%
GCU 3P% 30%

UTA FT 14-22 67%
GCU FT 37-50 74%

Fast break points
UTA 3
GCU 8

Rebounds GCU has 2 more 36-34

Turnovers UTA 26 GCU14

Double the turnovers as the team you keep fouls while it looked like UTA players didn't adjust their game plan but GCU did once they couldn't hit a shot to save their life they went hard to the hoop and got rewarded


Where do we all want to tournament to be placed if not Vegas? Huntsville, Alabama like CUSA? Boise like the Big Sky? Hosted by the top seed like other leagues (Would have been GCU)? Lets go play it in Hawaii? Vegas is a hotbed for conference tournaments

Another thing is UTA had 15 home games and had an average of 1777 fans per game...ACU had 1544 on average for 14 games. Lets worry about getting ppl in your local areas to come watch your schools in their home communities before we jump right to the idea of moving WAC Vegas to WAC Topeka or WAC OKC lol.

UTA has a winning record all-time vs. McNeese and their coach that got them to their success this year is out the door already. We'd be fine.

At this point, honestly, I'd rather be in the SLC with a legit chance to play for something higher than second place than here with these terrible refs and the clear bias I saw all year. That's the first time I have said going back looks attractive.

On the SBC board, for 9 years, someone always complained about the quality of the refs. I never joined and never believed there was a wholescale problem. At best I thought there might be isolated incidents of human error.

But this year, I saw some component of every school in the WAC upset about the GCU bias. It's a problem for the league and there already was an issue because GCU's budget is a concern. You can debate for-profit, diploma mill, online cash cow or whatever is happening, but upsets happen.

But the appearance of the refs being on the GCU bandwagon/payroll/alumni ( heard some of these on social media, some from fans on streaming broadcasts) will be an insurmountable issue. Tarleton is already out the door when FBS calls and UVU has said on the record they have multiple options. There's constant speculation of Seattle and CBU to the WCC.

If I'm ACU, SFA, UTA and UTRGV, it might be time to look at joining Lamar, McNeese, Northwestern State, Southeastern Louisiana, Nicholls and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi and forming a league that would be on par with the Sun Belt. No clear favorite there, the WAC schools break free from the absolute travesty of what I saw from the WAC this year and the SLC break away from the bottom-feeders in the conference. UTA never would lead that charge though. Athletics are just something that's there.

As for WAC Vegas, I don't give two craps where it is. Kudos to GCU for getting fans there. But if your solution is "F everyone else," then don't be surprised if a day comes when those peers do the same to you.

As a UTA fan I feel lucky we landed in the WAC. It is a pretty good basketball conference and the fact is right now GCU is the best basketball school in the conference . They were clearly the better team Saturday night. We also self destructed a little bit with all those turnovers and penaltys. Hopefully KT Turner can get things under control and solve the discipline problem before next year.

(03-17-2024 08:59 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

What'd you see on the replay that I and the official that was right there missed? I'm happy to be wrong if there's something there.

What I did see was chirping on both sides. After Koroma made a three in front of the Texan bench, he was given a T for turning around and saying something. Yet, upon replay you see them chirping first, prolly in an attempt to get him to miss. Emotions are high in the end of the year. Despite IT's claim that Tarleton's players spend every third day in the choir room, Tarleton was jawing with UTA. Until I see proof otherwise, the evidence I saw was that Tarleton played dirty on that call.

I promise this is my last post on this issue.

I saw the same thing the officials saw on the replay, the UTA player intentionally hit Tarleton’s best player and the game’s leading scorer in the midsection. The game officials deemed it a flagrant 2 and the player was kicked out of the game. Correct call.

Chirping isn’t dirty. Intentionally bumping and throwing the ball at an opponent is.

(03-17-2024 09:30 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

To these UTA fans you are more than welcome to go to a less competitive league like the Southland and get beat by McNeese State or the Summit and get whooped by South Dakota St... You guys had a million turnovers had tired legs for some of your players down the stretch. UTA is a good team and caught GCU last night on a bad shooting night. So they did what they have done when needed as 3 separate times vs UTA nonetheless and got to the line and shot FT's.

UTA FG% 49%
GCU FG% 39.7%

UTA 3P% 37%
GCU 3P% 30%

UTA FT 14-22 67%
GCU FT 37-50 74%

Fast break points
UTA 3
GCU 8

Rebounds GCU has 2 more 36-34

Turnovers UTA 26 GCU14

Double the turnovers as the team you keep fouls while it looked like UTA players didn't adjust their game plan but GCU did once they couldn't hit a shot to save their life they went hard to the hoop and got rewarded


Where do we all want to tournament to be placed if not Vegas? Huntsville, Alabama like CUSA? Boise like the Big Sky? Hosted by the top seed like other leagues (Would have been GCU)? Lets go play it in Hawaii? Vegas is a hotbed for conference tournaments

Another thing is UTA had 15 home games and had an average of 1777 fans per game...ACU had 1544 on average for 14 games. Lets worry about getting ppl in your local areas to come watch your schools in their home communities before we jump right to the idea of moving WAC Vegas to WAC Topeka or WAC OKC lol.

UTA has a winning record all-time vs. McNeese and their coach that got them to their success this year is out the door already. We'd be fine.

At this point, honestly, I'd rather be in the SLC with a legit chance to play for something higher than second place than here with these terrible refs and the clear bias I saw all year. That's the first time I have said going back looks attractive.

On the SBC board, for 9 years, someone always complained about the quality of the refs. I never joined and never believed there was a wholescale problem. At best I thought there might be isolated incidents of human error.

But this year, I saw some component of every school in the WAC upset about the GCU bias. It's a problem for the league and there already was an issue because GCU's budget is a concern. You can debate for-profit, diploma mill, online cash cow or whatever is happening, but upsets happen.

But the appearance of the refs being on the GCU bandwagon/payroll/alumni ( heard some of these on social media, some from fans on streaming broadcasts) will be an insurmountable issue. Tarleton is already out the door when FBS calls and UVU has said on the record they have multiple options. There's constant speculation of Seattle and CBU to the WCC.

If I'm ACU, SFA, UTA and UTRGV, it might be time to look at joining Lamar, McNeese, Northwestern State, Southeastern Louisiana, Nicholls and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi and forming a league that would be on par with the Sun Belt. No clear favorite there, the WAC schools break free from the absolute travesty of what I saw from the WAC this year and the SLC break away from the bottom-feeders in the conference. UTA never would lead that charge though. Athletics are just something that's there.

As for WAC Vegas, I don't give two craps where it is. Kudos to GCU for getting fans there. But if your solution is "F everyone else," then don't be surprised if a day comes when those peers do the same to you.

It's not F everyone approach it's a your school has been here for a quick minute and you are crying about officiating and budgets. Seattle U has the 2nd biggest budget and CBU has the 3rd largest all are $5-7million just for hoop as rumored now. Those who left the WAC to return to the SL left b/c they didn't want or couldn't change their money issue nor did they have a hunger to compete. Take the tough L that it was instead of talking yourself into this wishful thinking on forming some Sun Belt level league that has Lamar in it.

The referees in the WAC were anything but consistent this year in my opinion. Normally I would not get too worked up about officials but there were several times this past season when it was obvious that they were not very professional. One game in particular a player stepped onto the court and then threw the ball down the court and the ref was not even watching. Replay on the big score board clearly showed the violation. Sometimes clear misses were called fouls and other times holding a player by draping an arm over them was ignored. I understand mistakes but I don't understand an opposing coach going up to a ref and talking to them and suddenly that ref makes several calls in a row against the other team. That is suspicious, but it happened a lot. I really don't understand GCU getting so many free throws game after game. Are they the only ones who know just how much pushing and shoving is OK? An official has a tough job, and as humans they make mistakes, we all do. Maybe I am all wet and just did not see the plays that well, but it sure seemed a bit off this time around. No doubt the game has changed dramatically over time, especially the charging call.

I think the WAC is a little better basketball conference than the SLC because a cpl. schools have solid programs and good following from their fans. UTA probably lucky to be in. the new mavs coach put together a patchwork of players that really managed to have a better season than I expected. I see 1 or 2 good players that may stick around for next year so we'll see what kind of recruiting he can do between now and then. they are only going to draw good crowds if they win because in the DFW area there are lots of big time sports options for the consumer and games against no-name teams dont draw unless they are rivalry games.

It's not F everyone approach it's a your school has been here for a quick minute and you are crying about officiating and budgets. Seattle U has the 2nd biggest budget and CBU has the 3rd largest all are $5-7million just for hoop as rumored now. Those who left the WAC to return to the SL left b/c they didn't want or couldn't change their money issue nor did they have a hunger to compete. Take the tough L that it was instead of talking yourself into this wishful thinking on forming some Sun Belt level league that has Lamar in it.
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That's talking apples to oranges when talking about sports budgets and the majority of the other schools in the WAC.

(03-17-2024 10:14 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:59 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

What'd you see on the replay that I and the official that was right there missed? I'm happy to be wrong if there's something there.

What I did see was chirping on both sides. After Koroma made a three in front of the Texan bench, he was given a T for turning around and saying something. Yet, upon replay you see them chirping first, prolly in an attempt to get him to miss. Emotions are high in the end of the year. Despite IT's claim that Tarleton's players spend every third day in the choir room, Tarleton was jawing with UTA. Until I see proof otherwise, the evidence I saw was that Tarleton played dirty on that call.

I promise this is my last post on this issue.

I saw the same thing the officials saw on the replay, the UTA player intentionally hit Tarleton’s best player and the game’s leading scorer in the midsection. The game officials deemed it a flagrant 2 and the player was kicked out of the game. Correct call.

Chirping isn’t dirty. Intentionally bumping and throwing the ball at an opponent is.

I don’t know if you had a different broadcast than I, but it just literally showed him walking up to SGC and falling over. There was no movement by SGC and it happened right in front of the official. Please share if I’m wrong.

(03-18-2024 07:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  I think the WAC is a little better basketball conference than the SLC because a cpl. schools have solid programs and good following from their fans. UTA probably lucky to be in. the new mavs coach put together a patchwork of players that really managed to have a better season than I expected. I see 1 or 2 good players that may stick around for next year so we'll see what kind of recruiting he can do between now and then. they are only going to draw good crowds if they win because in the DFW area there are lots of big time sports options for the consumer and games against no-name teams dont draw unless they are rivalry games.

A little better?? This year WAC is 14, SLC 28. Last year WAC 11 SLC 30

(03-18-2024 08:10 AM)Outsider Wrote:  It's not F everyone approach it's a your school has been here for a quick minute and you are crying about officiating and budgets. Seattle U has the 2nd biggest budget and CBU has the 3rd largest all are $5-7million just for hoop as rumored now. Those who left the WAC to return to the SL left b/c they didn't want or couldn't change their money issue nor did they have a hunger to compete. Take the tough L that it was instead of talking yourself into this wishful thinking on forming some Sun Belt level league that has Lamar in it.

That's talking apples to oranges when talking about sports budgets and the majority of the other schools in the WAC.
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These schools that have joined the WAC surely had to have had an idea that the current WAC schools and mainly the private schools had been building up their budgets just for hoops and their athletic departments in general. Couldn't have been something unforeseen right? Better question is do these TX schools for the most part take their ball and go elsewhere or do they figure out a solution to be on a somewhat similar ground with the West Coast private members? ACU TSU and SFA don't have any problem trying to improve their programs and invest in their players and coaches.

(03-17-2024 09:30 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  From post #68

...If I'm ACU, SFA, UTA and UTRGV, it might be time to look at joining Lamar, McNeese, Northwestern State, Southeastern Louisiana, Nicholls and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi and forming a league that would be on par with the Sun Belt. No clear favorite there, the WAC schools break free from the absolute travesty of what I saw from the WAC this year and the SLC break away from the bottom-feeders in the conference. UTA never would lead that charge though. Athletics are just something that's there. ...

The list of teams listed above might not be bad even though pre-season #1 conference men's basketball pick Southeastern Louisiana had an extremely disappointing season this year. I'd also include Incarnate Word for overall sports.

Here's a list of the Men's basketball NET rankings as of yesterday. The NET scores would probably change with the line up. The former Southland members should increase leaving three sub 330 net programs.

McNeese - 56
UT Arlington - 129
Stephen F. Austin - 175
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - 179
Lamar - 219
Abilene Christian - 229
Nicholls - 237
Southeastern Louisiana - 306
UTRGV -331
Northwestern State - 332
Incarnate Word - 347

Here's how Women's basketball NET rankings would look using the same source.

Lamar - 126
Stephen F. Austin - 147
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - 167
Southeastern Louisiana - 177
Abilene Christian - 189
UT Arlington - 190
Incarnate Word - 222
Nicholls - 260
Northwestern State - 276
UTRGV -312
McNeese - 352

Baseball RPI

McNeese - 45
Southeastern Louisiana - 62
Nicholls - 103
Abilene Christian - 130
Incarnate Word - 132
Lamar - 137
UT Arlington - 158
Northwestern State - 199
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - 206
UTRGV -268
Stephen F. Austin - 297

Softball RPI

McNeese - 52
Southeastern Louisiana - 71
Incarnate Word - 80
Lamar - 119
Nicholls - 124
UT Arlington - 132
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - 173
Northwestern State - 176
Abilene Christian - 227
Stephen F. Austin - 232

Women's Soccer RPI

Lamar - 51
McNeese - 204
Southeastern Louisiana - 250
Abilene Christian - 255
Northwestern State - 264
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - 277
Incarnate Word - 281
UTRGV -304
Stephen F. Austin - 306
Nicholls - 339

(03-18-2024 12:19 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 08:10 AM)Outsider Wrote:  It's not F everyone approach it's a your school has been here for a quick minute and you are crying about officiating and budgets. Seattle U has the 2nd biggest budget and CBU has the 3rd largest all are $5-7million just for hoop as rumored now. Those who left the WAC to return to the SL left b/c they didn't want or couldn't change their money issue nor did they have a hunger to compete. Take the tough L that it was instead of talking yourself into this wishful thinking on forming some Sun Belt level league that has Lamar in it.

That's talking apples to oranges when talking about sports budgets and the majority of the other schools in the WAC.

These schools that have joined the WAC surely had to have had an idea that the current WAC schools and mainly the private schools had been building up their budgets just for hoops and their athletic departments in general. Couldn't have been something unforeseen right? Better question is do these TX schools for the most part take their ball and go elsewhere or do they figure out a solution to be on a somewhat similar ground with the West Coast private members? ACU TSU and SFA don't have any problem trying to improve their programs and invest in their players and coaches.
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We understood all of that, and we have been investing heavily. Like I said, you are still comparing apples to oranges because most of the other schools have other programs that take even bigger budgets than hoops. More things to consider and more decisions to have to make. The WAC was NEVER a hoops only conference, or even a hoops PRIMARY conference. It had become that way in recent history due to decisions it had to make. It stopped being that when it could. Why? Because that's what the WAC wanted. Of course the United quickly changed that dynamic, but the WAC was NEVER the WCC. Maybe you need to take your ball and go elsewhere is just as good a question/observation.

**Oh, our schools have been around long before your grandmothers were even a thought, long before the WAC ever existed. So, you need to step back on your rhetoric a little.**

(03-17-2024 10:16 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 09:30 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:07 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  So a UTA player “accidentally” hits Tarleton’s leading scorer and best player in the mid section. And a UTA player intentionally shoves a GCU player and another UTA player throws the ball at same GCU player who throws down a dunk which the UTA coach admitted UTA did the same thing to Seattle, and this is all being blown out of proportion?

Truth is UTA embarrassed their team, their school and the WAC.

I also did a little bit of research, just a little as I’m kinda lazy, and one official was on the court for the Tarleton-UTA game and the GCU-UTA games. He was the head official for both games.

To these UTA fans you are more than welcome to go to a less competitive league like the Southland and get beat by McNeese State or the Summit and get whooped by South Dakota St... You guys had a million turnovers had tired legs for some of your players down the stretch. UTA is a good team and caught GCU last night on a bad shooting night. So they did what they have done when needed as 3 separate times vs UTA nonetheless and got to the line and shot FT's.

UTA FG% 49%
GCU FG% 39.7%

UTA 3P% 37%
GCU 3P% 30%

UTA FT 14-22 67%
GCU FT 37-50 74%

Fast break points
UTA 3
GCU 8

Rebounds GCU has 2 more 36-34

Turnovers UTA 26 GCU14

Double the turnovers as the team you keep fouls while it looked like UTA players didn't adjust their game plan but GCU did once they couldn't hit a shot to save their life they went hard to the hoop and got rewarded


Where do we all want to tournament to be placed if not Vegas? Huntsville, Alabama like CUSA? Boise like the Big Sky? Hosted by the top seed like other leagues (Would have been GCU)? Lets go play it in Hawaii? Vegas is a hotbed for conference tournaments

Another thing is UTA had 15 home games and had an average of 1777 fans per game...ACU had 1544 on average for 14 games. Lets worry about getting ppl in your local areas to come watch your schools in their home communities before we jump right to the idea of moving WAC Vegas to WAC Topeka or WAC OKC lol.

UTA has a winning record all-time vs. McNeese and their coach that got them to their success this year is out the door already. We'd be fine.

At this point, honestly, I'd rather be in the SLC with a legit chance to play for something higher than second place than here with these terrible refs and the clear bias I saw all year. That's the first time I have said going back looks attractive.

On the SBC board, for 9 years, someone always complained about the quality of the refs. I never joined and never believed there was a wholescale problem. At best I thought there might be isolated incidents of human error.

But this year, I saw some component of every school in the WAC upset about the GCU bias. It's a problem for the league and there already was an issue because GCU's budget is a concern. You can debate for-profit, diploma mill, online cash cow or whatever is happening, but upsets happen.

But the appearance of the refs being on the GCU bandwagon/payroll/alumni ( heard some of these on social media, some from fans on streaming broadcasts) will be an insurmountable issue. Tarleton is already out the door when FBS calls and UVU has said on the record they have multiple options. There's constant speculation of Seattle and CBU to the WCC.

If I'm ACU, SFA, UTA and UTRGV, it might be time to look at joining Lamar, McNeese, Northwestern State, Southeastern Louisiana, Nicholls and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi and forming a league that would be on par with the Sun Belt. No clear favorite there, the WAC schools break free from the absolute travesty of what I saw from the WAC this year and the SLC break away from the bottom-feeders in the conference. UTA never would lead that charge though. Athletics are just something that's there.

As for WAC Vegas, I don't give two craps where it is. Kudos to GCU for getting fans there. But if your solution is "F everyone else," then don't be surprised if a day comes when those peers do the same to you.

It's not F everyone approach it's a your school has been here for a quick minute and you are crying about officiating and budgets. Seattle U has the 2nd biggest budget and CBU has the 3rd largest all are $5-7million just for hoop as rumored now. Those who left the WAC to return to the SL left b/c they didn't want or couldn't change their money issue nor did they have a hunger to compete. Take the tough L that it was instead of talking yourself into this wishful thinking on forming some Sun Belt level league that has Lamar in it.

I don’t care about budgets. I care about competitiveness. As a private “no -profit in name only,” diploma mill, GCU has access to money flow in a non-transparent, unfair manner. This is why Liberty was always a no in the Sun Belt.

Budgets aren’t the issue, the unlimited, non-transparent flow of money that is fueling those budgets are what the problem is.

As for leaving, the WAC imploded and became a conference of misfits and DII call-ups, hardly what we signed up for when Utah St, San Jose St, Idaho and Louisiana Tech were in there. And don’t kid yourself that GCU caused us to leave. DII call ups and a change in perception is why we left. There were several old conference rivals in the SBC.

And let’s not act like the WCC isn’t where GCU would bolt for in a second.

EDIT: The tipping point was the refs. There are fans and/or officials from at least seven schools that I can find on a quick search that believe GCU got an unfair advantage from the officials this year. It’s not a sour grapes from one game. It’s an entire conference versus one school that took the only supposed fair balance in officiating away from every other team in the conference.