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(03-10-2024 05:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

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(03-10-2024 01:59 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

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(03-09-2024 06:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Wes and the squad close out the season winning two of three and nearly won the Oklahoma game. That's a good sign and something to build on for next year. A shame this type of game wasn't played more at home - likely the difference between an NIT and NCAA birth. A special guest was in the house today...

Bob was a great coach, but folks either forget or don’t realize he dragged UC thru the mud on his way out the door. He did the same when he got booted from WVU but was a bit more public about it.

He can sure coach basketball, but all these coaches who think they are bigger than the new president that doesn't like them come to a bad end. See also Bob Knight.

... to be more specific.

The problem was Bob, not the presidents or UC or WVU. Time has certainly reinforced this. I just wish people could move on. I wish Bob could.

OK, So what did Bob Knight do?

... You brought it up first.

I, for one, would love for Huggy Bear to get a statue outside of 5/3.

Won't happen, but it should.

(03-10-2024 10:12 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I, for one, would love for Huggy Bear to get a statue outside of 5/3.

Won't happen, but it should.

No, it shouldn't happen. Huggins embarrassed himself and the University of Cincinnati, and he accomplished far less in his sixteen troubled years as the Bearcats' head basketball coach than UC alumnus Ed Jucker accomplished in only five.

(03-10-2024 05:53 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 05:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 03:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 01:59 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 10:26 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Bob was a great coach, but folks either forget or don’t realize he dragged UC thru the mud on his way out the door. He did the same when he got booted from WVU but was a bit more public about it.

He can sure coach basketball, but all these coaches who think they are bigger than the new president that doesn't like them come to a bad end. See also Bob Knight.

... to be more specific.

The problem was Bob, not the presidents or UC or WVU. Time has certainly reinforced this. I just wish people could move on. I wish Bob could.

It was just a standing ovation.

C’mon, you KNOW people in these parts love to live in the past. Before you know it, someone will be calling to put up a statue…

(03-11-2024 12:10 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 05:53 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 05:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 03:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 01:59 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  He can sure coach basketball, but all these coaches who think they are bigger than the new president that doesn't like them come to a bad end. See also Bob Knight.

... to be more specific.

The problem was Bob, not the presidents or UC or WVU. Time has certainly reinforced this. I just wish people could move on. I wish Bob could.

It was just a standing ovation.

C’mon, you KNOW people in these parts love to live in the past. Before you know it, someone will be calling to put up a statue…

What was a UC crowd supposed to do... BOO Bob Huggins?

Would that elevate we rubes in these here parts from living in the past??

Maybe we in these here parts appreciate it when someone does something good for them. I realize that's an old fashioned notion but it still works in these here parts.

As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

I started watching in 80's as well as a teen. McClendon, Sweet Lou was my start. Fun to think back on. McClendon could fill it up.

If McClendon had a coach who could game coach worth a darn, he would have been nationally known. One of the best talents I have witnessed at UC (I am too young to have witnessed Oscar and other pre-80's players).

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

If we only build statues of perfect people, there would be no statues.

Kids needs role models. Most adults need role models, too. So let's not go down the path of no statues.

You build statues to people who are great at their chosen profession. Other than Paul Brown, Bob Huggins is arguably the greatest coach in the city's history (although I can see an argument for Sparky).

By the way, I'm also in favor of statues of great professors on campus.

I'm all in for the statue as long as it includes a receptacle to drop off aluminum cans...Bob's daughter said everyone knows he collects those to recycle...all in the interest of being green.

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

Bolded, didn't he leave Kansas State coach-less as soon as WVU came calling? I mostly agree with your assessment here. UC has come so far since the late 80's institutionally. Back then though, I think Bearcat pride was renewed and his teams were genuinely exciting to watch and did put UC back on the college basketball map. Yes, there was collateral damage that led to his fall from grace here. But there's no denying he was a tremendous coach. The College Hall of Fame agrees on that point.

I think he really loved the city and I partly blame UC leadership for not reigning him in during those years after the Final Four. Maybe he wouldn't have cooperated in that regard but I think he was given way too long a leash and it ultimately led to his behaviors that left the University no choice but to terminate him.

Saturday, I chose to remember the good times; I politely applauded for him but reserved the standing ovation for Kenyon Martin's introduction. And I think Kenyon was a bit overwhelmed emotionally with the love he received.

(03-11-2024 04:56 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

Bolded, didn't he leave Kansas State coach-less as soon as WVU came calling? I mostly agree with your assessment here. UC has come so far since the late 80's institutionally. Back then though, I think Bearcat pride was renewed and his teams were genuinely exciting to watch and did put UC back on the college basketball map. Yes, there was collateral damage that led to his fall from grace here. But there's no denying he was a tremendous coach. The College Hall of Fame agrees on that point.

I think he really loved the city and I partly blame UC leadership for not reigning him in during those years after the Final Four. Maybe he wouldn't have cooperated in that regard but I think he was given way too long a leash and it ultimately led to his behaviors that left the University no choice but to terminate him.

Saturday, I chose to remember the good times; I politely applauded for him but reserved the standing ovation for Kenyon Martin's introduction. And I think Kenyon was a bit overwhelmed emotionally with the love he received.

Same here, long and loud for Kenyon, wish they would have acknowledged DeMarr during that time instead of just the coaches pregame intro.....

Two things about Huggs can be true...thankful he coached here and brought our program back to national respectability and its only final four appearance in what, the last 32 years? Thankful he moved on and found life and success after UC.

He's no angel but he ain't no devil either.

(03-11-2024 07:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Two things about Huggs can be true...thankful he coached here and brought our program back to national respectability and its only final four appearance in what, the last 32 years? Thankful he moved on and found life and success after UC.

He's no angel but he ain't no devil either.

So true. What most fans miss is that the Huggins years felt different. The Bearcats were the biggest thing in the city from November to April. UC Basketball was a national brand and that meant more than a tournament run or an early exit. Every game in the 90’s felt special. UC and Huggins were the bad guys in black and it was a role that this program embraced. I know UC football has had two runs to the top but it never felt as legit as the basketball program did from 1992 to 2002. I honestly believe UC basketball can win a national title and hold the number 1 ranking again. Huggins made us believe this. I never felt UC football under Kelly or Fick could win it all because deep down we know that the Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Michigan, and Texas type programs are in another league in terms of history, resources, and talent.

(03-11-2024 04:50 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If we only build statues of perfect people, there would be no statues.

Kids needs role models. Most adults need role models, too. So let's not go down the path of no statues.

You build statues to people who are great at their chosen profession. Other than Paul Brown, Bob Huggins is arguably the greatest coach in the city's history (although I can see an argument for Sparky).

By the way, I'm also in favor of statues of great professors on campus.

I've always felt that it is a shame that the William Howard Taft statue is basically hidden on campus. It should be loud and proud, front and center.

(03-11-2024 10:39 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:50 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If we only build statues of perfect people, there would be no statues.

Kids needs role models. Most adults need role models, too. So let's not go down the path of no statues.

You build statues to people who are great at their chosen profession. Other than Paul Brown, Bob Huggins is arguably the greatest coach in the city's history (although I can see an argument for Sparky).

By the way, I'm also in favor of statues of great professors on campus.

I've always felt that it is a shame that the William Howard Taft statue is basically hidden on campus. It should be loud and proud, front and center.

Did you know it's been moved over by the newly renovated home for the Law School, near Campus Green? It's more prominently placed than it was for years, when it was hidden behind the old Law School.

(03-11-2024 04:52 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm all in for the statue as long as it includes a receptacle to drop off aluminum cans...Bob's daughter said everyone knows he collects those to recycle...all in the interest of being green.

Statue of Hugg’s with a yellow reflective vest over his track suit and carrying a recycling bin.

(03-11-2024 04:50 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

If we only build statues of perfect people, there would be no statues.

Kids needs role models. Most adults need role models, too. So let's not go down the path of no statues.

You build statues to people who are great at their chosen profession. Other than Paul Brown, Bob Huggins is arguably the greatest coach in the city's history (although I can see an argument for Sparky).

By the way, I'm also in favor of statues of great professors on campus.

We have a statue of Oscar, who is one of the greatest, stayed with the school into his late years…and caused us a lot less grief.

(03-13-2024 08:57 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:50 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 09:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:21 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  As someone who suffered through the five years before Bob Huggins when I was in school, I would have given Bob a standing ovation.

I am a graduate of the 80’s and suffered through the dark ages of UC basketball. And when Huggins was hired, I was an early adopter, buying season tickets and attending games when 8,000-9,000 was considered a great crowd.

I was also quick to drop my season tickets when behavioral problems became an issue. I guess I don’t put a basketball game or coach above the school I love or above basic values of common decency, which Huggins disregarded both here and at West Virginia. His scorched earth policy at UC and WVU and his clear lack of accountability for his dangerous actions don’t exactly make him the person you want to invite back for a warm fuzzy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: I actually feel sorry for Huggins. He really is a tortured soul, and when he hopped off to WVU, I genuinely wished him well and hoped he could turn things around, meaning in his personal life. With his behavioral problems, I honestly didn’t think he was long for this world.

Huggins is kind of like an ex - it was good for a while, but it had to end. I’ll be cordial, but no need to invite him over…much less build him a statue.

If we only build statues of perfect people, there would be no statues.

Kids needs role models. Most adults need role models, too. So let's not go down the path of no statues.

You build statues to people who are great at their chosen profession. Other than Paul Brown, Bob Huggins is arguably the greatest coach in the city's history (although I can see an argument for Sparky).

By the way, I'm also in favor of statues of great professors on campus.

We have a statue of Oscar, who is one of the greatest, stayed with the school into his late years…and caused us a lot less grief.

Oscar caused us no grief, and neither did Ed Jucker. And if you want a role model for kids and adults, then erect a statue of Jack Twyman on campus.