(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 10:43 PM)RCI Wrote:  So what is the situation at Tarleton now? BCG will be head coach, has he hired an assistant and how is replacing the transfers going. It is upsetting to me for the WAC to lose players on the ascent. ACU lost a good one in Dibba. I hope we get beefed up for next season, both of us.

Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

Just wait until FoUTASportscaster finds out GCU is rolling out the option of learning a trade if you don't want to be a traditional student on campus or online.

(04-19-2024 03:42 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

Just wait until FoUTASportscaster finds out GCU is rolling out the option of learning a trade if you don't want to be a traditional student on campus or online.

Okay, now that made me laugh!

Please help me by staying on sports topics because I just paid my income tax bill and essentially paid off a bunch of college loans for kids I don't even know and it is depressing. Sports at least takes my mind off funding some weird college degrees and employing extra IRS agents.

(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 10:43 PM)RCI Wrote:  So what is the situation at Tarleton now? BCG will be head coach, has he hired an assistant and how is replacing the transfers going. It is upsetting to me for the WAC to lose players on the ascent. ACU lost a good one in Dibba. I hope we get beefed up for next season, both of us.

Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

Don't disagree there Mac. Higher education has become quite costly. Ironic thought that UTA will see football with a higher student fee.

Problem is GCU is run by a for-profit entity, using a subsidiary under the for-profit organization as a disguise to appear as a non-profit.

Grand Canyon Education, or GCE, ran GCU for years, but sold off GCU in 2018. Except not really. The school's president is Brian Mueller. The for-profit GCE's CEO is Brian Mueller. Part of the contract of the sale stipulates that GCE provides many of the school's daily operations, in exchange for 60 percent of GCU's tuition and fee revenue. GCE is essentially getting the same revenue from GCU that it did when it owned the U as enrollment has climbed.

GCU homers point to the sale to say they aren't for-profit, but either have no clue GCE still controls the school or conveniently ignore that fact. It matters little to me.

Now the problem with being a for-profit school versus traditional brick and mortar, is they can make athletics a loss leader. Grocery stores sell popular items for less than it cost them to bring customers into the door and mark up other items to make up the difference. Athletics is artificially marked up. As money that public schools HAVE to use on education, gets shuffled to athletics.

GCU's budget for all of athletics is just over $30 million. Men's basketball's budget is $7.6 mil.

Ironically, California Baptist is first overall at $32.7 million and but trails in MBB at $3.9 mil.

There's a big gap between those two and the rest. SFA is $24.9 and $3.2. ACU is $23.8 and $2.3 mil. Tarleton is $21.1 and $1.6. Seattle is $20 and $3.2 mil. UVU is $17.4 and $2.3. SUU equals $16.5 and $1.5. Utah Tech budgets $16.2 and $1.6. UTRGV (even though they are on the way out) is $15.9 and $1.9.

Finally, my alma mater, despite having a larger on-campus enrollment than GCU and a similar online presence, maybe a bit smaller, spends $17.4 million on athletics and $2.4 mil on basketball.

You could double CBU's men's basketball budget and they'd barely be ahead of GCU. You can double everyone else's MBB budget and they still trail by over a million.

So where does that money come from? How do they outspend every single one of their conference peers? Unlike the public institutions, private schools don't have to report their revenue numbers. No one but institution staff will know that number. But the reality is that because of their for-profit business entity, the money comes from being a diploma mill.

(04-19-2024 03:42 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

Just wait until FoUTASportscaster finds out GCU is rolling out the option of learning a trade if you don't want to be a traditional student on campus or online.

Cool, they are offering innovative ways for a secondary education. What does that have to do with the for-profit model artificially inflating their athletics budget?

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 10:43 PM)RCI Wrote:  So what is the situation at Tarleton now? BCG will be head coach, has he hired an assistant and how is replacing the transfers going. It is upsetting to me for the WAC to lose players on the ascent. ACU lost a good one in Dibba. I hope we get beefed up for next season, both of us.

Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

At least y'all aren't Liberty lol

If this yahoo can tell me the core reason why DOE views them as a For Profit I'll be impressed along with being a For Profit you have more eyes on you with how you use and ask for money if anything its more restrictive than being in a college system like UC or CS for example. As for athletic spending Mr. Colangelo is the reason for the hoop budget and for athletic budget in general. No idea why you want to spar over this stuff? Did Bryce Drew tell you that you weren't good at hoops, or did you not get accepted into GCU, Did President Mueller kill a family member of yours? This notion of how how pure college and college athletics were is such a dumb hill to argue over b/c. Especially now when corps are now funneling millions into NIL's and have been doing this at schools for over 100 years. Tax status is what you are hung up on at the end of the day b/c if they were deemed Non Profit by DOE like they are with the IRS you wouldn't care. You are all hat no cattle my friend.

^Funny you didn’t respond to the longer post directly. In it, I did mention that GCE, a for-profit company, maintains a contract with GCU to get 60 percent of fees and revenue for daily operation needs. That’s for-profit. I didn’t say whether that was better, worse, or indifferent to the traditional model.

What I did say it opens up a whole source of revenue that traditional schools can’t emulate. There aren’t more eyes, as a private institution doesn’t report to taxpayers and aren’t subject to open records.

And finally, your last statement is completely wrong. If any branch of government said GCU was non-profit, I’d still have a problem that Mueller was president of GCU and GCE and that they can raise vast amounts of money for athletics in ways traditional schools can’t.

I said in the post you didn’t respond to that you are either I go rant to how your finding is setup or downplay it. I don’t care either way. I care that as long as UTA (or any school) shares a conference with GCU, they don’t have a fair shot.

NIL is completely outside of the schools purview. It was supposed to be for private interests to compensate a student athlete for their use of the Name Image and/or Likeness. It has morphed into what it is currently and will continue to morph in the future.

As for Mr. Colangelo, this is the first I’ve heard of an NBA owner funding a college program on his doorstep. I’m a little skeptical that her write a check in the millions every year to double up the next closest competitor, but freely admit I don’t know where GCU gets the entirety of it Bball budget, outside of the obvious for-profit, diploma mill connection.

No, I’m not gonna stoop to personal attacks like did a coach hurt me or why doesn’t you schools education let you see the obvious. Next.

No one said college athletics was pure. GCU’s funding model is not like anyone else’s and creates an inherently unfair system that everyone else’s is playing. Kudos for finding a way to compete with the P5’s. Have fun when your peers want nothing to do with you. Word is from some of my sources, in and out of UTA, part of Lamar’s and a larger part of UTRGV’s reasons for leaving the WAC have to do with the unbalanced playing field. I haven’t heard about UIW, but suspect it was part of it too.

(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 10:43 PM)RCI Wrote:  So what is the situation at Tarleton now? BCG will be head coach, has he hired an assistant and how is replacing the transfers going. It is upsetting to me for the WAC to lose players on the ascent. ACU lost a good one in Dibba. I hope we get beefed up for next season, both of us.

Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

(04-20-2024 07:57 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  ^Funny you didn’t respond to the longer post directly. In it, I did mention that GCE, a for-profit company, maintains a contract with GCU to get 60 percent of fees and revenue for daily operation needs. That’s for-profit. I didn’t say whether that was better, worse, or indifferent to the traditional model.

What I did say it opens up a whole source of revenue that traditional schools can’t emulate. There aren’t more eyes, as a private institution doesn’t report to taxpayers and aren’t subject to open records.

And finally, your last statement is completely wrong. If any branch of government said GCU was non-profit, I’d still have a problem that Mueller was president of GCU and GCE and that they can raise vast amounts of money for athletics in ways traditional schools can’t.

I said in the post you didn’t respond to that you are either I go rant to how your finding is setup or downplay it. I don’t care either way. I care that as long as UTA (or any school) shares a conference with GCU, they don’t have a fair shot.

NIL is completely outside of the schools purview. It was supposed to be for private interests to compensate a student athlete for their use of the Name Image and/or Likeness. It has morphed into what it is currently and will continue to morph in the future.

As for Mr. Colangelo, this is the first I’ve heard of an NBA owner funding a college program on his doorstep. I’m a little skeptical that her write a check in the millions every year to double up the next closest competitor, but freely admit I don’t know where GCU gets the entirety of it Bball budget, outside of the obvious for-profit, diploma mill connection.

No, I’m not gonna stoop to personal attacks like did a coach hurt me or why doesn’t you schools education let you see the obvious. Next.

No one said college athletics was pure. GCU’s funding model is not like anyone else’s and creates an inherently unfair system that everyone else’s is playing. Kudos for finding a way to compete with the P5’s. Have fun when your peers want nothing to do with you. Word is from some of my sources, in and out of UTA, part of Lamar’s and a larger part of UTRGV’s reasons for leaving the WAC have to do with the unbalanced playing field. I haven’t heard about UIW, but suspect it was part of it too.

You needed sources to tell you that UTRGV UIW and Lamar left b/c they couldn't hang in the WAC because of budgets in athletics? Maybe its time for UTA to take their ball and go home too or maybe you are too invested in this anti GCU slant? I've enjoyed all the ppl connected with UTA I have come in contact with and think UTA is a good school. Hell I've had a family member who played for Tinker. When it comes to UTA athletics I'm more of a Maverick than you I guess you would say...

(04-21-2024 11:30 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:16 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:46 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 02:35 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 09:28 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Find yourself a company like FedEx and they will give you 25 million bucks for NIL like they did for Memphis....

Or start an online school with no standards and use the bulk of the money for the same thing.

I know not all ppl from Texas are dumb but you give all Texans a bad name and are the reason for the TX stereotypes....

Sorry for that. Not all of us Texans necessarily agree with the foregoing sentiment. GCU gets hammered for being a "for profit" school, yet we see all too many "not for profit" schools, ours included, are totally pilfering the pockets of students, parents and lenders.

As I see it, the only thing worse is when politicians "forgive" student loans, compelling taxpayers (that may or may not have attended college) to foot the bills run up by others. Biden's loan forgiveness actions have cost far more than two years of aid to Ukraine.

I can go on, but you know......

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spen...-the-elite

(04-20-2024 07:57 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  ^Funny you didn’t respond to the longer post directly. In it, I did mention that GCE, a for-profit company, maintains a contract with GCU to get 60 percent of fees and revenue for daily operation needs. That’s for-profit. I didn’t say whether that was better, worse, or indifferent to the traditional model.

What I did say it opens up a whole source of revenue that traditional schools can’t emulate. There aren’t more eyes, as a private institution doesn’t report to taxpayers and aren’t subject to open records.

And finally, your last statement is completely wrong. If any branch of government said GCU was non-profit, I’d still have a problem that Mueller was president of GCU and GCE and that they can raise vast amounts of money for athletics in ways traditional schools can’t.

I said in the post you didn’t respond to that you are either I go rant to how your finding is setup or downplay it. I don’t care either way. I care that as long as UTA (or any school) shares a conference with GCU, they don’t have a fair shot.

NIL is completely outside of the schools purview. It was supposed to be for private interests to compensate a student athlete for their use of the Name Image and/or Likeness. It has morphed into what it is currently and will continue to morph in the future.

As for Mr. Colangelo, this is the first I’ve heard of an NBA owner funding a college program on his doorstep. I’m a little skeptical that her write a check in the millions every year to double up the next closest competitor, but freely admit I don’t know where GCU gets the entirety of it Bball budget, outside of the obvious for-profit, diploma mill connection.

No, I’m not gonna stoop to personal attacks like did a coach hurt me or why doesn’t you schools education let you see the obvious. Next.

No one said college athletics was pure. GCU’s funding model is not like anyone else’s and creates an inherently unfair system that everyone else’s is playing. Kudos for finding a way to compete with the P5’s. Have fun when your peers want nothing to do with you. Word is from some of my sources, in and out of UTA, part of Lamar’s and a larger part of UTRGV’s reasons for leaving the WAC have to do with the unbalanced playing field. I haven’t heard about UIW, but suspect it was part of it too.

You needed sources to tell you that UTRGV UIW and Lamar left b/c they couldn't hang in the WAC because of budgets in athletics? Maybe its time for UTA to take their ball and go home too or maybe you are too invested in this anti GCU slant? I've enjoyed all the ppl connected with UTA I have come in contact with and think UTA is a good school. Hell I've had a family member who played for Tinker. When it comes to UTA athletics I'm more of a Maverick than you I guess you would say...

Wow. Tinker you say? What sport? He coached basketball and golf that I know of, but was probably also a football assistant coach. Yes, you have some history.