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Democrats Are Already Planning Their Own ‘Insurrection’ If Trump Wins
Quote:Democrats have spent the last three years labeling former President Donald Trump and any other Republican who questioned the 2020 presidential election results as “insurrectionists.” But as their efforts to either imprison Trump or throw him off the ballot have shown, they are ready to do just about anything to ensure he can’t win a second term in 2024. But with President Joe Biden falling in the polls and Trump demonstrating that he could win, they need a backup plan if the courts won’t do their bidding.

As an article in The Atlantic last week made clear, they have one in mind. The only problem is that it involves Democrats doing exactly what they labeled as “insurrection” when Republicans half-heartedly played at doing the same thing in January 2021, when some of them voted not to certify the vote of the Electoral College that handed the election to Biden. And if Democrats win control of Congress in November, something that could happen even if Trump also wins the presidency, they could succeed where the GOP failed and overturn the election.

Democratic prosecutors and judges have imprisoned thousands of people for being present at the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. Democrats also spent years labeling the efforts of Trump supporters to find a legal way to overturn the 2020 results they considered potentially fraudulent as another form of insurrection or even, in the case of the tainted Georgia prosecutions led by Fani Willis, a violation of the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statute that aimed at curbing mafia activity.

But anyone who imagines that the charge of hypocrisy will stop Democrats from doing anything they can to stop Trump from taking office hasn’t been paying attention to American politics for the last eight years. Having convinced themselves that Trump is an authoritarian threat to American democracy as well as a stooge of Vladimir Putin — with the Russian collusion hoax now being revived — it is inconceivable that even a clear defeat in the November election would prevent them from using every means at their disposal to overturn such a result.

Media and Lawfare Campaign
Since 2021, Democrats and their corporate media cheering section have been consistent in alleging that Republicans were going to attempt to steal the 2024 election. Indeed the first anniversary of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which has now assumed the nature of a Democrat holy day — was the occasion for a series of articles in outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, The Guardian, and New York magazine that centered on unhinged scaremongering about alleged plots for a GOP coup. That was the background for the Democrats’ Jan. 6 Committee dog-and-pony show, when blame for the riot expanded from the participants to more or less every Republican who voiced doubts about the count in a 2020 election in which the normal guardrails for voter integrity had been discarded during the Covid panic.

But as Trump and the Republicans have learned in the last year, the hyperbole about defending democracy wasn’t just disingenuous. It was also a matter of projection. Democrats have unleashed a far-ranging lawfare campaign aimed at throwing Trump off the ballot and convicting him on an array of bogus crimes. In New York state, a bizarre lawsuit has used a legitimate real estate transaction as the excuse for a case in which a partisan judge and legal system seeks to destroy Trump’s family business and confiscate his wealth in a manner reminiscent of banana republic proscriptions.

If Democrats didn’t blush at the use of such naked authoritarian tactics — New York Gov. Kathy Hochul even said the quiet part out loud when she assured other business owners that they needn’t fear being the victims of a similarly arbitrary prosecution because it could only be applied to Trump — what would prevent them from trying to overturn an election they lost to the former president?

They have good reason to fear a Trump victory. With Biden’s favorability ratings at a historical low for an incumbent seeking reelection and Trump leading him in the RealClearPolitics average of surveys of head-to-head matchups and in polls with third-party candidates included, the president is in big trouble.

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That’s the backdrop for a revealing piece in The Atlantic about how Democrats can stop another Trump presidency even if the voters choose him.

The excuse for doing so will be to assert the argument being made by Colorado when it tried to throw Trump off the ballot in that state: that his alleged status as an insurrectionist makes him ineligible to be president.

According to Atlantic staff writer Russell Berman, the key to overturning a Trump victory at the ballot box is for the Democrats to win back control of Congress, the odds for which, even in the event of a Trump presidential win, must be assessed as at least even. If they do, then the stage is set for a Jan. 6 rerun, this time with the Democrats voting not to certify the Electoral College results.

1988 was the last time Democrats accepted a presidential election loss without attempting to overturn the results. Since then, every Republican victory, including George W. Bush’s decisive 2004 win, has been questioned by both Democrat politicians and conspiracy theorists on the left. Indeed Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, who voted not to certify Trump’s win in 2016 and then treated Republicans who did the same four years later as traitors, said he might be willing to consider decertifying a Trump win in 2024 if that’s what will happen.

It’s true that some of the most notoriously partisan Democrats such as Reps. Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell told Berman that would be a bridge too far for them. But even discounting their unwillingness to show their hand this far in advance, it’s important to take into account factors that Berman didn’t even bother mentioning.

A Trump victory would almost certainly set off bloody riots in every American city in the manner of the “mostly peaceful” Black Lives Matter riots of the summer of 2020. If anything, the next round of left-wing violence might be even worse. But no matter how much America burns following a Trump win on Nov. 5, 2024, you can count on Washington to be swarming with angry leftists and liberals next January in a manner to put the “Stop the Steal” rally MAGA demonstrators of 2021 to shame.

The pressure on Democratic politicians to stop the Electoral College results from being certified would be far greater than the desultory protests that Trump supporters put together to head off a Biden presidency. The entire left-wing intersectional activist wing of the party will know that another Trump presidency could begin the process of rolling back the tide of woke control of the government and American society. That factor alone, along with the visceral hatred for Trump and his working-class fans, will generate the kind of mass demonstrations that will be impossible for Democrat members of Congress to ignore.

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Should they vote not to certify the election that Trump had won, that would create a murky constitutional debate about what follows, but the effect would be the same as an Electoral College tie, addressed in the 12th Amendment, and would likely mean the election would be thrown to the House of Representatives for a decision.

There, each state delegation would have one vote to decide the presidency, something that has only happened after the 1800 and 1824 elections. The House would be limited in their choices to those who won Electoral College votes, but at that point, the result might be political chaos, since Electoral College members would have been free to vote as they liked.

There is also the possibility that the House wouldn’t be able to resolve the impasse before Jan. 21, when a president must be sworn in. In that case, the Senate would elect a vice president who would serve as president. There again, a Democratic majority could elect Biden or his running mate. But the wording of the 12th Amendment, which says that “no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States,” raises the possibility of them choosing someone who had not been on the ballot, such as fantasy league options like Michelle Obama. Like virtually everything that would happen once the existing system failed to produce a result, it would also mean subsequent court challenges to resolve the meaning of the text, which, like the Democrats’ attempt to use the 14th Amendment to stop Trump, is something the courts have never fully adjudicated.

At this moment, it’s just one scenario that the political left is contemplating. But it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility of it becoming reality, especially when one considers the underhanded and authoritarian tactics Democrats have already employed to take out Trump in the courts.

Not unreasonably, Republican voters fear that should the current polling averages hold and a Trump victory actually happen, the Democrat Party and left-wing media would be willing to back any scheme that would allow them to retain power, notwithstanding their rhetoric about Republicans who challenged the 2020 vote. Democrats know the courts won’t let them get their way on preventing Trump from being on the ballot and worry that their bogus lawfare trials against him either won’t succeed in jailing him in time or will be ignored by voters who understand undemocratic behavior when they see it. If they do control Congress in January, the chances of them using that power to undo an election loss to Trump seems like the safest possible bet.

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I really do hate to say this again but they will kill him. The liberals have dehumanized him to that point. All they need is the patsy and I’m sure they-them-xe is being setup as we speak.
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MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.
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Not sure they will even need to bother. Between the baked in 50% that hate him and the billions the left is going to spend on ads and ballot harvesting, some yet as unnamed democrat will be elected after all the pesky primary voters are out of the way.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

LMAO! You really do live in Reverse-World. 03-lmfao
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Sorry.. There was an article written in 2020 that outlined this for the left.. Even your darlin HRC told Biden no matter what don't concede...
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(02-29-2024 03:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Sorry.. There was an article written in 2020 that outlined this for the left.. Even your darlin HRC told Biden no matter what don't concede...

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election


Quote:The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the election
A weird thing happened right after the Nov. 3 election: nothing.

The nation was braced for chaos. Liberal groups had vowed to take to the streets, planning hundreds of protests across the country. Right-wing militias were girding for battle. In a poll before Election Day, 75% of Americans voiced concern about violence.

Instead, an eerie quiet descended. As President Trump refused to concede, the response was not mass action but crickets. When media organizations called the race for Joe Biden on Nov. 7, jubilation broke out instead, as people thronged cities across the U.S. to celebrate the democratic process that resulted in Trump’s ouster.

A second odd thing happened amid Trump’s attempts to reverse the result: corporate America turned on him. Hundreds of major business leaders, many of whom had backed Trump’s candidacy and supported his policies, called on him to concede. To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

In a way, Trump was right.

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There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain–inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests–in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy.

The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions as they came under simultaneous attack from a remorseless pandemic and an autocratically inclined President. Though much of this activity took place on the left, it was separate from the Biden campaign and crossed ideological lines, with crucial contributions by nonpartisan and conservative actors. The scenario the shadow campaigners were desperate to stop was not a Trump victory. It was an election so calamitous that no result could be discerned at all, a failure of the central act of democratic self-governance that has been a hallmark of America since its founding.

Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result. “The untold story of the election is the thousands of people of both parties who accomplished the triumph of American democracy at its very foundation,” says Norm Eisen, a prominent lawyer and former Obama Administration official who recruited Republicans and Democrats to the board of the Voter Protection Program.

For Trump and his allies were running their own campaign to spoil the election. The President spent months insisting that mail ballots were a Democratic plot and the election would be “rigged.” His henchmen at the state level sought to block their use, while his lawyers brought dozens of spurious suits to make it more difficult to vote–an intensification of the GOP’s legacy of suppressive tactics. Before the election, Trump plotted to block a legitimate vote count. And he spent the months following Nov. 3 trying to steal the election he’d lost–with lawsuits and conspiracy theories, pressure on state and local officials, and finally summoning his army of supporters to the Jan. 6 rally that ended in deadly violence at the Capitol.

The democracy campaigners watched with alarm. “Every week, we felt like we were in a struggle to try to pull off this election without the country going through a real dangerous moment of unraveling,” says former GOP Representative Zach Wamp, a Trump supporter who helped coordinate a bipartisan election-protection council. “We can look back and say this thing went pretty well, but it was not at all clear in September and October that that was going to be the case.”

This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”

That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system’s fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.

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(02-29-2024 03:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Sorry.. There was an article written in 2020 that outlined this for the left.. Even your darlin HRC told Biden no matter what don't concede...

Ok? Congratulations.

What makes you think after everything that has transpired with Trump, loss after loss after loss after loss, that the left would be gearing up for insurrection instead of preparing for his defeat?

Which sides already 1-0 for insurrections started? CrimsonPhantom probably has a post on Jan 5th 2021 saying some made up nonsense about ANTIFA preparing to march on capitol hill.

Nah, this is pretty clear for what it is.
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(02-29-2024 04:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Sorry.. There was an article written in 2020 that outlined this for the left.. Even your darlin HRC told Biden no matter what don't concede...

Ok? Congratulations.

What makes you think after everything that has transpired with Trump, loss after loss after loss after loss, that the left would be gearing up for insurrection instead of preparing for his defeat?

Which sides already 1-0 for insurrections started? CrimsonPhantom probably has a post on Jan 5th 2021 saying some made up nonsense about ANTIFA preparing to march on capitol hill.

Nah, this is pretty clear for what it is.

Depends on which side you consider the confederacy since that was the last attempted insurrection.
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does that mean I'll finally get to _________ a __________w/o ____________

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(02-29-2024 10:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  does that mean I'll finally get to _________ a __________w/o ____________

@lickin'Chops

Hmmmm,

FAFO

If they are serious about this, bring it on. I am sure the disagreement can be settled equitably.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

It was your side hoss that shot an innocent woman who was Air Force. That's no damned accusation either it is a fact with a fatality.

I'd say the bar has been set!
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

LOL man you can't even keep your strategies straight. That is right out of Alinsky's Rule for Radicals. You just proved yet again you can't be taken seriously.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

LMAO! You really do live in Reverse-World. 03-lmfao

Projection is all they have.
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They want a civil war. Let them steal another presidential election and they may get one this time.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

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(02-29-2024 04:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Sorry.. There was an article written in 2020 that outlined this for the left.. Even your darlin HRC told Biden no matter what don't concede...

Ok? Congratulations.

What makes you think after everything that has transpired with Trump, loss after loss after loss after loss, that the left would be gearing up for insurrection instead of preparing for his defeat?

Which sides already 1-0 for insurrections started? CrimsonPhantom probably has a post on Jan 5th 2021 saying some made up nonsense about ANTIFA preparing to march on capitol hill.

Nah, this is pretty clear for what it is.
So let's just breeze past what the left was gonna do and put out there but focus on the right.. Sorry doesn't work that way. The left was threatening violence up to the 2020 election... You can't call it projection by the right when the left was advertising it and rallying Antifa and BLM groups...

Go apologize to a tree.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

This is a great example of how completely delusional the left actually is.
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(02-29-2024 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  MAGA already testing the waters. Typical rightoid strategy, accuse the other side of doing something so your base thinks it's justified to do it back.

Dafuq is MAGA? Or better yet, what did your media tell you MAGA is?
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I love that they have turned it into a noun.
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