(02-15-2024 11:17 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 09:50 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Endowments are important but they're only part of the story. University medical centers and their affiliated hospitals and medical practices generate large profits and are worth tons of money but they don't show up in the endowment numbers. To give you an idea of the size we're talking about, Duke vies with Walmart as the largest private employer in the state of NC, largely because of Duke University Healthcare Systems, Inc. Pitt's endowment isn't that large but they have a much larger healthcare system than Duke.

ACC Schools that I think have a university medical center:
Cal
Duke
FSU
Louisville
Miami
Pitt
Stanford
UNC
U.Va.
WFU

ACC Schools that I think lack a university medical center:
BC
Clemson
Ga. Tech
NCSU
Notre Dame
SMU
Syracuse
Va. Tech

Cal does not have a med school or medical center.
VT has a med school in Roanoke. It partners with the Carilion Clinlic but doesn't really have an academic medical center.
FSU's med school students are only in Tallahassee for the 1st two years. It doesn't have its own academic medical center, but rather various training sites for where it sends its students for clinical training.

Pitt's affiliated medical center, UPMC (the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center), has no financial ties or involvement to Pitt's endowment. Pitt's endowment does support Pitt's school of medicine, but UPMC is a closely intertwined but separate clinical legal entity which was spun off from the university in the late 1990s to separate and protect the university's academic missions from clinical services' financial and legal risks. All academic endeavors (e.g., the med school, research) are done under the university. All clinical operations and hospitals are under UPMC's structures. This freedom allowed UPMC to grow into the largest university-affiliated medical center in the country with 40+ hospitals. UPMC board membership structure comprises 1/3 university appointees, 1/3 from system hospitals, and 1/3 from the community leadership. UPMC has its own investment pool of about $10 billion and funnels about $250 million a year back into the university for academic support.

For those unable to read the chart that stops at 3 B:

Stanford 36 B
ND 17 B
Duke 13 B
UVa 10 B
Cal 7 B (The system has about 14)
Pitt 5.5 B
UNC 5.4 B
BC 3.4 B
GT 3.0 B
SMU and NC State 2.1 B
WF and Syracuse 1.9 B
VT 1.8 B
Miami 1.3 B
Clemson 1 B
FSU .95 B
Louisville .9B

When you look at the endowment per grad and undergrad student is when you see the real differences:

Stanford $2.117 M per kid
ND $1.307 M per kid
Duke $764K per kid
UVa $400 K per kid
BC $ 226K per kid
WF $ 204K per kid
Pitt $196K per kid
UNC $173K per kid
SMU 166K per kid
Cal $ 155K per kid
Syracuse $90K per kid
GT $86K per kid
Miami $72K per kid
NC State 58K per kid
Clemson 52K per kid
VT 50K per kid
Louis 43K per kid
FSU 21K per kid

(02-13-2024 07:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:53 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Top ACC Fanbases:
1. Syracuse: 3.45 million fans
2. Miami: 2.99 million fans
3. Florida State: 2.79 million fans
4. North Carolina: 2.74 million fans
5. Clemson: 2.33 million fans

Cal will bring 1.1m & Stanford is around 900K

I have been trying to make sense of these fanbase stats since they were posted. Im not famaliar with Tony Altimore nor his methodology but Im not sure about SU having the largest fb fanbase in the ACC after ND. If this were about bb, no problem. But football? SU is not even in the top half for fb attendance in the conference. One of the reasons he state is that FSU and Miami have been down. The only other thing I can think of is that SU is the only P5 school in a large State, as opposed to the State of Florida that now has four P5 programs that the fanbase has to be divided up. The same with NC which has 4 teams in a not so large State that the fanbases are divided up. Same can be said of Penn, Ky, SC etc.. that have multiple P5 programs.

(02-15-2024 11:17 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  ACC Schools that I think lack a university medical center:
Ga. Tech

Georgia Tech doesn't have a medical center though it does partner extensively with Emory.

https://emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/issues/...index.html

I could see a future where the lines between GT and Emory blur until there are none.

(02-19-2024 01:17 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:53 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Top ACC Fanbases:
1. Syracuse: 3.45 million fans
2. Miami: 2.99 million fans
3. Florida State: 2.79 million fans
4. North Carolina: 2.74 million fans
5. Clemson: 2.33 million fans

Cal will bring 1.1m & Stanford is around 900K

I have been trying to make sense of these fanbase stats since they were posted. Im not famaliar with Tony Altimore nor his methodology but Im not sure about SU having the largest fb fanbase in the ACC after ND. If this were about bb, no problem. But football? SU is not even in the top half for fb attendance in the conference. One of the reasons he state is that FSU and Miami have been down. The only other thing I can think of is that SU is the only P5 school in a large State, as opposed to the State of Florida that now has four P5 programs that the fanbase has to be divided up. The same with NC which has 4 teams in a not so large State that the fanbases are divided up. Same can be said of Penn, Ky, SC etc.. that have multiple P5 programs.

Tony is reposting data that's been floating around for awhile. The only way it makes sense for Syracuse to be #2 is if you told every person you polled you MUST pick a team -- there are simply more people in New York State. I do agree that Clemson fans, while very loyal, are limited in number due to regionality and the fact that it's actually a pretty small school.

(02-19-2024 04:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 01:17 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:53 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Top ACC Fanbases:
1. Syracuse: 3.45 million fans
2. Miami: 2.99 million fans
3. Florida State: 2.79 million fans
4. North Carolina: 2.74 million fans
5. Clemson: 2.33 million fans

Cal will bring 1.1m & Stanford is around 900K

I have been trying to make sense of these fanbase stats since they were posted. Im not famaliar with Tony Altimore nor his methodology but Im not sure about SU having the largest fb fanbase in the ACC after ND. If this were about bb, no problem. But football? SU is not even in the top half for fb attendance in the conference. One of the reasons he state is that FSU and Miami have been down. The only other thing I can think of is that SU is the only P5 school in a large State, as opposed to the State of Florida that now has four P5 programs that the fanbase has to be divided up. The same with NC which has 4 teams in a not so large State that the fanbases are divided up. Same can be said of Penn, Ky, SC etc.. that have multiple P5 programs.

Tony is reposting data that's been floating around for awhile. The only way it makes sense for Syracuse to be #2 is if you told every person you polled you MUST pick a team -- there are simply more people in New York State. I do agree that Clemson fans, while very loyal, are limited in number due to regionality and the fact that it's actually a pretty small school.

The source of this data is a poorly constructed online poll from about 8 years ago that was released to various school fan bases and passed around as an opt in poll. Once you go through the raw results you find things like East Carolina supposedly having twice the football fans as UNC or NC State in the 919 area code. It's essentially worthless data. The dearth of good data is enormous. I've also seen a similar shot at measuring this that asked for the opt in respondent to indicate their 1st, 2nd and 3rd favorite with that data then cherry picked to only show the first place results. As you can imagine doing that eliminated broad support from view.

(02-11-2024 09:48 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

There are more people enrolled at the Georgia Tech Distance Learning Center than there is total enrollment at several ACC schools. And then the actual main campus enrollment on top. Then the Savannah campus on top. Then the GT World Campuses in Shanghai and Lorraine, France on top. The last three were not included in the above graphic.

I only used 35K for total students at GT instead of the 45K that comes up when you include off-campus centers.

(02-19-2024 05:36 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Once you go through the raw results you find things like East Carolina supposedly having twice the football fans as UNC or NC State in the 919 area code.

Actually that part is correct.

(02-19-2024 06:15 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I only used 35K for total students at GT instead of the 45K that comes up when you include off-campus centers.

Per the USG, GT's total enrollment is now just shy of 50,000. Approaching 10,000 higher than UGA and now just 2,500 shy of Georgia State's enrollment.

https://www.usg.edu/research/assets/rese...102423.pdf

(02-19-2024 05:44 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 09:48 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

There are more people enrolled at the Georgia Tech Distance Learning Center than there is total enrollment at several ACC schools. And then the actual main campus enrollment on top. Then the Savannah campus on top. Then the GT World Campuses in Shanghai and Lorraine, France on top. The last three were not included in the above graphic.

The numbers of grads for Cal can’t be right. That has to be the entire University of California system, not just Berkeley.

Yes those numbers are correct. https://opa.berkeley.edu/campus-data/uc-...uick-facts

Berkley takes about 6K transfers a year bringing in good chunk of all perquisites. Duke for instance does not (I know this all first hand not second hand). Berkley has 45K students.

Hall, you are under the spell of the relative small size of UNC, UVa, VT, and NC State relative to midwestern and west coast major research entities.

Cal is akin to UNC and NC State put together.

It's this relatively small size that creates so much of the disparity between ACC schools and the Big 10. Some of that has been a conscious decision by the ptb in order to use certain private institutions as de facto economic development engines of the State of NC. Re-wind the clock and this is why Trinity was bought and moved to Durham, and Wake bought and moved to Winston. It's much more than Duke's and Reynold's egos alone.

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