(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

+1000

Another former great player for Rice with no college coaching experience? Why am I seeing caution lights?

NBA Asst Coach and college head coach are quite different skill sets I would imagine, i.e., recruiting, not to mention the average skill levels of the players, balancing academics, etc. I’d love to see Mike back at Rice, just not sure his 1st college coaching experience as Rice’s head coach is the right next step for either party.

(03-10-2024 03:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Another former great player for Rice with no college coaching experience? Why am I seeing caution lights?

NBA Asst Coach and college head coach are quite different skill sets I would imagine, i.e., recruiting, not to mention the average skill levels of the players, balancing academics, etc. I’d love to see Mike back at Rice, just not sure his 1st college coaching experience as Rice’s head coach is the right next step for either party.

Wilks is close to Wilson too. But he is a likely future NBA head coach (and has been an interim head coach for OKC too). And they are currently the 1 seed in the NBA West, so yes it’s a pipe dream at best.

Rice men end in a five way tie for 10th but I think will end up as the 14 seed. I think (?) they play 11 seed Temple (who beat UTSA by 2 today in San Antonio) Wednesday at 2 pm.

Is that right, OATM?

(03-10-2024 04:46 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rice men end in a five way tie for 10th but I think will end up as the 14 seed. I think (?) they play 11 seed Temple (who beat UTSA by 2 today in San Antonio) Wednesday at 2 pm.

Is that right, OATM?

13th seed playing #12 Wichita State.

https://theamerican.org/news/2024/3/10/s...nship.aspx

Yeah the multi team tiebreaker first goes to winning percentage “among the group” before looking at strength of wins against the top teams.

Apologize if I unintentionally misled anyone!

What are the chances both men’s and women’s teams would finish the same year in a 5-way standings tie??!!

That’s exactly what happened though!

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

(03-11-2024 08:07 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

Bob Polk may be the worst hire in the history of the university and that's saying something but there are arguments that can be made for others-Bloom, Braun, George Carlisle, John Heisman, all of the FB coaches from the mid 70's through 88.

(03-11-2024 04:18 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:07 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

Bob Polk may be the worst hire in the history of the university and that's saying something but there are arguments that can be made for others-Bloom, Braun, George Carlisle, John Heisman, all of the FB coaches from the mid 70's through 88.

Bloom and Braun don't belong on that list, but Bo Hagan certainly does.

(03-11-2024 09:42 PM)wrysal Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:18 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:07 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

Bob Polk may be the worst hire in the history of the university and that's saying something but there are arguments that can be made for others-Bloom, Braun, George Carlisle, John Heisman, all of the FB coaches from the mid 70's through 88.

Bloom and Braun don't belong on that list, but Bo Hagan certainly does.

disagree. Braun was awful-the only "progress" he made was with a bunch of players that were questionable in their recruiting and then 6 transfers in one year. I will give him recruiting Arsalan-one of my all time favorites. Proto typical Rice move to hire a coach on the downward swing of his career (see Polk, Bob) and as I understand we got him on the cheap as Cal was still paying him-like Russell Wilson for the Steelers.

Re Bloom-let's see how this year pans out-I remain very unconvinced. Bailiff, Hat, Fred, hell even the Toad provided some memories. My only memory of the Bloom era so far will be the ridiculous turn and pitch back resulting in 1 yard at best.

(03-11-2024 04:18 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:07 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 12:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If we want to show we are serious about basketball, we need to make a serious offer to Mike Wilks. But that might be a very longshot.

Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

Bob Polk may be the worst hire in the history of the university and that's saying something but there are arguments that can be made for others-Bloom, Braun, George Carlisle, John Heisman, all of the FB coaches from the mid 70's through 88.

Curious as to why Heisman's name is included here- simply because he couldn't replicate the success of Arbuckle? A career record of 14-18-3 isn't too shabby, good enough for 6th all time in winning pct. in Rice FB history (19 head coaches).

Interesting anecdote here... it wasn't *always* the case that Rice refused to spend the money necessary to secure a good coach...

"As testament to his national coaching reputation, Heisman asked for and was granted a five-year, $9,000 contract at Rice, an incredible amount considering the university's highest paid faculty received $7,500. But Heisman's glory days in football had clearly ended. Rice posted marginal records over the next couple of years, and in 1927 Heisman coached the first losing season of his entire 36-year career. After compiling a record of 1-6-1 and being outscored over the season 148 to 52, Heisman tendered his resignation."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/sports/ency...isman-john

On the other hand, according to an online inflation calculator...
$9,000 in 1923 is worth the same as $163,329.47 in 2024... talk about the changing landscape of college sports!

This gets me thinking- I'm sure these numbers are kept under wraps, but do we think that Bloom is making more than every full time faculty member at Rice? I mean true faculty, not an 80% admin position who teaches something like one class a semester... although the line between faculty and admin is perhaps less clear than it used to be. I truly have no idea, but wonder how well Rice compensates the "slam dunk hires" in the business school/ more lucrative STEM fields these days.

(03-12-2024 10:14 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 09:42 PM)wrysal Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:18 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:07 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:03 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Yeah, we won't pay for him. We'll be rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. It may work out, but probably won't. On the bright side, it can't be worse than the last six seasons.

Bob Polk

Bob Polk may be the worst hire in the history of the university and that's saying something but there are arguments that can be made for others-Bloom, Braun, George Carlisle, John Heisman, all of the FB coaches from the mid 70's through 88.

Bloom and Braun don't belong on that list, but Bo Hagan certainly does.

disagree. Braun was awful-the only "progress" he made was with a bunch of players that were questionable in their recruiting and then 6 transfers in one year. I will give him recruiting Arsalan-one of my all time favorites. Proto typical Rice move to hire a coach on the downward swing of his career (see Polk, Bob) and as I understand we got him on the cheap as Cal was still paying him-like Russell Wilson for the Steelers.

Re Bloom-let's see how this year pans out-I remain very unconvinced. Bailiff, Hat, Fred, hell even the Toad provided some memories. My only memory of the Bloom era so far will be the ridiculous turn and pitch back resulting in 1 yard at best.

I have hope that Bloom leads us to a great season (9-4? 10-3?) behind an easy schedule and lots of returning players - and then gets hired away so his contract doesn’t auto-renew.

I like this.

Bob Polk, George Carlisle, and Bo Hagan are the worst Rice coaching hires ever.