(02-08-2024 09:36 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Senators go to jail for having Classified docs taken out of a SCIF.

What Senators were put in jail?

(02-08-2024 09:52 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Again, his dorkness understands the Trump case as much as he understands insurance deductibles.

Trump didnt have to return the classified documents. He had the security clearance to have them, and are claiming them as personal records. Biden* knew this, and had no authority to go in and raid to get the documents sans revoking Trumps security clearance. Biden* tried everything to get those documents without doing that, including wanting to see the documents without his attorney present. Apparently, it was too much to look at the documents with Trumps attorney present to ensure they got handed back.

Dumbazz Biden* colludes with with DOJ to revoke Trumps security clearance, and then perform the raid to get the documents. Except dumbazz Biden* failed to properly revoke Trump's DOE clearance, something that butthurt JackBoi had to dance around in his filing this past week in front of judge Cannon.

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You. STILL. Don't. Understand. This. There is literally NOTHING in any law that allows this. NOTHING! In fact, this claim has not even been put forth by his own ******* attorneys!

It's been explained to you 7 ways from Sunday for the better part of 2 years now. No amount of rehashing will ever make your ignorant ass understand it.

Perhaps you should stop pontificating about what you claim others don't understand.

Although it's fun smacking you around time and time again, it does grow tiresome.

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(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Suppose he had evidence of law breaking within these papers he was subpoenaed to return. Evidence that would prove those wanting the documents were in fact trying to retrieve them to cover up their own criminality? You do not know the answer here. I don’t either but there is nothing that has been decided in court yet. So your and Marc’s little pre court conviction means absolutely nothing.

Corrupt beyond redemption

(02-08-2024 10:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

So is the fact that he took the documents and refuse to return them. Start holding everyone to the same standard and you'll see any politicians quickly change their behaviors regarding classified documents.

No one knows what documents he had other than a very biased hostile government intent on destroying his candidacy. If you know what he had, what he “showed” people then please let us know. You can’t because you do not know. Otherwise you’re just repeating the leaked lies of a very political DOJ.

(02-08-2024 11:00 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Suppose he had evidence of law breaking within these papers he was subpoenaed to return. Evidence that would prove those wanting the documents were in fact trying to retrieve them to cover up their own criminality? You do not know the answer here. I don’t either but there is nothing that has been decided in court yet. So your and Marc’s little pre court conviction means absolutely nothing.

they're making up for tanq's 'guidance' whilst in abstentia ...

Banana Republic.

Indefensible legal incongruity driven by politics.

(02-08-2024 11:11 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

So is the fact that he took the documents and refuse to return them. Start holding everyone to the same standard and you'll see any politicians quickly change their behaviors regarding classified documents.

No one knows what documents he had other than a very biased hostile government intent on destroying his candidacy. If you know what he had, what he “showed” people then please let us know. You can’t because you do not know. Otherwise you’re just repeating the leaked lies of a very political DOJ.

What check & balance to Donald Trump has he not attacked & tried to weaken?

(02-08-2024 12:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  What check & balance to Donald Trump has he not attacked & tried to weaken?

Government abusing it's power is a million times worse than a former public official critically speaking about the government.

Which is more harmful to society over the course of time?

(02-08-2024 12:19 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 12:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  What check & balance to Donald Trump has he not attacked & tried to weaken?

Government abusing it's power is a million times worse than a former public official critically speaking about the government.

Which is more harmful to society over the course of time?

again, what check & balance has he not targeted & tried to weaken?

Indefensible.

(02-08-2024 10:10 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Neither of you appear to know the first thing about handling classified material nor the repercussions that occur for knowingly or unknowingly mishandling it. Had this been an member of the armed forces or low level civilian they would have seen jail time and it would not have mattered one bit whether or not they cooperated.

The bold is a long held fact for certain posters. I'm starting to think it's willful ignorance as no one can be that dense.

(02-08-2024 10:10 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Had this been an member of the armed forces or low level civilian they would have seen jail time and it would not have mattered one bit whether or not they cooperated.

Cool story, bro.

Got any names of such who ended up with classified information in their possession, that they likely didn't now they had, but returned them as soon as made known...cooperated fully...and are or were in jail?

He willfully took docs but we’ll let it slide because he’s old and forgets a lot

Again had that been any one of us, we wouldn't get this treatment and would have the book thrown at us.

(02-08-2024 12:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 11:11 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

So is the fact that he took the documents and refuse to return them. Start holding everyone to the same standard and you'll see any politicians quickly change their behaviors regarding classified documents.

No one knows what documents he had other than a very biased hostile government intent on destroying his candidacy. If you know what he had, what he “showed” people then please let us know. You can’t because you do not know. Otherwise you’re just repeating the leaked lies of a very political DOJ.

What check & balance to Donald Trump has he not attacked & tried to weaken?

I don’t know but I know Biden has ignored the SCOTUS. Did Trump do that?

(02-08-2024 02:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:10 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Had this been an member of the armed forces or low level civilian they would have seen jail time and it would not have mattered one bit whether or not they cooperated.

Cool story, bro.

Got any names of such who ended up with classified information in their possession, that they likely didn't now they had, but returned them as soon as made known...cooperated fully...and are or were in jail?

I was on a SSBN submarine for 4 years Tom. I understand fully what the repercussions were for mishandling classified material and they didn't care whether you did it knowingly or unknowingly as either would be equally damaging. You evidently have zero experience and precious little knowledge about handling classified material other than what you've been told or read but rest assured those of us who have held security clearances know that it's not a "cool story" but a fact.

lol, gotta love the "Joe knowingly broke the law, but, we're just gonna let it slide" DOJ mindset.

(02-08-2024 04:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, gotta love the "Joe knowingly broke the law, but, we're just gonna let it slide" DOJ mindset.

Best day Trump has had since Nov 2016. Another get out of jail free card presented by the deranged Leftists State of Amerika. Hurr even compared the Trump case with the Biden case in the Summary. When does that happen? I guess it is an attempt to differentiate the cases to benefit Biden. He just left out one was a Senator and VP while the other was POTUS with declassification powers. I love it.

(02-08-2024 04:16 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 02:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:10 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Had this been an member of the armed forces or low level civilian they would have seen jail time and it would not have mattered one bit whether or not they cooperated.

Cool story, bro.

Got any names of such who ended up with classified information in their possession, that they likely didn't now they had, but returned them as soon as made known...cooperated fully...and are or were in jail?

I was on a SSBN submarine for 4 years Tom. I understand fully what the repercussions were for mishandling classified material and they didn't care whether you did it knowingly or unknowingly as either would be equally damaging. You evidently have zero experience and precious little knowledge about handling classified material other than what you've been told or read but rest assured those of us who have held security clearances know that it's not a "cool story" but a fact.

So, that's nobody. Thanks for confirming.