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(02-24-2024 06:32 AM)Efan Wrote:  Hang on, don’t tell North Dakota St that an FBS school will beat them 99 times out of 100. Might be the other way around, actually. Heck, don’t tell ETSU that either. We beat NC State in 1988 (?) and won against Vandy in 2021. Assuming 33 years between those games, minus the 10 or so we didn’t play football, ETSU beats an FBS school once every 23 times. So wouldn’t automatically write those games off. With the roster Coach Lamb is building, we may put a big scare into App this fall. And I know you were just making a point, and I generally agree.

Personally, I hope the NCAA is in its last days. I would love to see a common sense organization pop up that somehow continues March Madness, fixes all the garbage with the college football playoffs and bowl system, quits letting trans men take opportunities from biological women, and creates some athlete-focused NIL rules. The NCAA has been ruined by those in charge and is absolutely worthless. Lately, they’ve been good for screwing up anything they touch. I’ll be glad to see them go.

The NCAA has been ruined by MONEY - see the lucrative media contracts negotiated by the major league conferences over the years after that landmark lawsuit. In 1984, the Supreme Court ruled that NCAA control of television rights violated the Sherman Antitrust Act - enter ESPN immediately — the real present day broker of the NCAA. That was the beginning of where things have ended up today. The NCAA has become weaker and weaker in large part due lawsuits and money. It is little more than a cover, a front, a keeping up appearances, a pretentious public relations organization for what is really going on. However — if the NCAA had of maintained control of media rights, would things be much different today? With relation to power and the money distribution- doubt it. The big folks would likely still be getting the big share of the pie (and controlling the organization) based on ratings while the little folks would still be picking up some crumbs.
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(02-23-2024 04:28 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(02-23-2024 03:31 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  ETSU is trying to do NIL the right way. It is a very good thing for the players and I am grateful they are getting it going. From what I understand it was never intended for what the big schools are doing with just large payments for play. In Doc we trust.

Respectfully - I, personally, don’t see it as a good thing for the players long range. I still believe a college degree is more important long range than some NIL money short range. If the two, NIL pay and a degree, could be merged into a single complimentary structure - perhaps. But, that does not seem to be what is emerging with the NIL together with the Transfer Portal. My hard nose position - the athletes get their NIL money upon degree completion. But, many in this age of immediate gratification would likely describe that as pie-in-the-sky, fantasy land thinking. But the reality — like I said in another post — with the mega-millions flowing to the major league college athletic programs accompanied with the multi-million dollar coaches’ salaries — not to mention the elaborate athletic facilities — no wonder we’ve reached this place as it’s filtering down to the mid-majors that can least afford it. Plus - a pro system of pay to play is next.
So I am suppose to wait till I have a degree in hand before I got my money for speaking at math conferences with my UG professor. Or my friends who continued our research in the masters program and booked more conferences should waited till their masters degree? Why should I be able to be paid on a full scholarship no loans and an athlete can't get access to money you didn't answer my question the first time I quoted it
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I think NIL money, like it or not, is here to stay. And as we get into this new arms race, I can’t help but think this will end up hurting donations directly to the schools. They’ll have a hard time getting the same donations to athletic departments that they have in the past. The money just isn’t there to fund both at the same levels at any school. If donors give to NIL, that decreases money to schools. And then they are forced to raise student fees to try and keep up.

Schools that are willing to do that will succeed more at finding high level coaches and funding new facilities, and schools that don’t will settle in below them. It’s simple economics. So we’ll have to reach some sort of new equilibrium. And it’ll end up just like it was before. Schools with large enrollments, large alumni bases, and deep pocketed donors will always be ahead of the others. There’s really nothing new under the sun here at the end of the day.
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(03-02-2024 12:11 PM)Efan Wrote:  I think NIL money, like it or not, is here to stay. And as we get into this new arms race, I can’t help but think this will end up hurting donations directly to the schools. They’ll have a hard time getting the same donations to athletic departments that they have in the past. The money just isn’t there to fund both at the same levels at any school. If donors give to NIL, that decreases money to schools. And then they are forced to raise student fees to try and keep up.

Schools that are willing to do that will succeed more at finding high level coaches and funding new facilities, and schools that don’t will settle in below them. It’s simple economics. So we’ll have to reach some sort of new equilibrium. And it’ll end up just like it was before. Schools with large enrollments, large alumni bases, and deep pocketed donors will always be ahead of the others. There’s really nothing new under the sun here at the end of the day.

The only thing new is the greed is now out in the open. And they are proud of it.
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(03-02-2024 12:11 PM)Efan Wrote:  I think NIL money, like it or not, is here to stay. And as we get into this new arms race, I can’t help but think this will end up hurting donations directly to the schools. They’ll have a hard time getting the same donations to athletic departments that they have in the past. The money just isn’t there to fund both at the same levels at any school. If donors give to NIL, that decreases money to schools. And then they are forced to raise student fees to try and keep up.

Schools that are willing to do that will succeed more at finding high level coaches and funding new facilities, and schools that don’t will settle in below them. It’s simple economics. So we’ll have to reach some sort of new equilibrium. And it’ll end up just like it was before. Schools with large enrollments, large alumni bases, and deep pocketed donors will always be ahead of the others. There’s really nothing new under the sun here at the end of the day.

If the rank and file students have tuition and fees raised beyond a certain point, even with scholarships and financial aid, that could eventually see a lot of students drop out, or find alternatives.

This is a major economics issue already where many students are getting degrees, be it from a regional school like ETSU, or flagship state school like UT, taking out sometimes tens of thousands in debt, but even if they get a job in a degree related field, they aren't getting the money. Or they aren't able to find a job even remotely relevant to their degree. Or they find decent paying jobs despite their degree.

A growing number of people are getting into skilled trades instead of universities, which TBF, some areas are in desperate need of an infusion of new younger workers. A lot of people also have better and better options in terms of community colleges. Why break the bank at ETSU or UT when you can get your first year or 2 of college done at Pellissippi State or Northeast State or Walters State for 1/2 or 1/3 the price, and walk away with an Associates Degree, or at the very least possibly a certificate or two, as opposed to going all in at a 4 year institution, burning out or going broke half or 3/4 of the way through, and walking away with absolutely nothing to show for it and possibly buried in crippling debt.

The one alternative I see going forward, and it's not just smaller schools and programs that face this prospect, some sports may end up getting the axe, or some programs might have to reevaluate what overall level they want to compete at. I know a lot of Atlantic Sun conference teams for example used to be Division II, many only moving to Division I within the last 20-30 years.

ETSU I think has the resources and support it could possibly avoid a downgrade, but on the other hand, I could easily see cutting one or two sports as an unfortunate but possibly not unnecessary option, assuming of course enough other schools don't downgrade or make cuts before ETSU does that it opens up some opportunities to recruit a few odd players or staff that we might otherwise have missed or not considered.
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(03-06-2024 07:13 AM)ETSUfan#2 Wrote:  
(03-02-2024 12:11 PM)Efan Wrote:  I think NIL money, like it or not, is here to stay. And as we get into this new arms race, I can’t help but think this will end up hurting donations directly to the schools. They’ll have a hard time getting the same donations to athletic departments that they have in the past. The money just isn’t there to fund both at the same levels at any school. If donors give to NIL, that decreases money to schools. And then they are forced to raise student fees to try and keep up.

Schools that are willing to do that will succeed more at finding high level coaches and funding new facilities, and schools that don’t will settle in below them. It’s simple economics. So we’ll have to reach some sort of new equilibrium. And it’ll end up just like it was before. Schools with large enrollments, large alumni bases, and deep pocketed donors will always be ahead of the others. There’s really nothing new under the sun here at the end of the day.

If the rank and file students have tuition and fees raised beyond a certain point, even with scholarships and financial aid, that could eventually see a lot of students drop out, or find alternatives.

This is a major economics issue already where many students are getting degrees, be it from a regional school like ETSU, or flagship state school like UT, taking out sometimes tens of thousands in debt, but even if they get a job in a degree related field, they aren't getting the money. Or they aren't able to find a job even remotely relevant to their degree. Or they find decent paying jobs despite their degree.

A growing number of people are getting into skilled trades instead of universities, which TBF, some areas are in desperate need of an infusion of new younger workers. A lot of people also have better and better options in terms of community colleges. Why break the bank at ETSU or UT when you can get your first year or 2 of college done at Pellissippi State or Northeast State or Walters State for 1/2 or 1/3 the price, and walk away with an Associates Degree, or at the very least possibly a certificate or two, as opposed to going all in at a 4 year institution, burning out or going broke half or 3/4 of the way through, and walking away with absolutely nothing to show for it and possibly buried in crippling debt.

The one alternative I see going forward, and it's not just smaller schools and programs that face this prospect, some sports may end up getting the axe, or some programs might have to reevaluate what overall level they want to compete at. I know a lot of Atlantic Sun conference teams for example used to be Division II, many only moving to Division I within the last 20-30 years.

ETSU I think has the resources and support it could possibly avoid a downgrade, but on the other hand, I could easily see cutting one or two sports as an unfortunate but possibly not unnecessary option, assuming of course enough other schools don't downgrade or make cuts before ETSU does that it opens up some opportunities to recruit a few odd players or staff that we might otherwise have missed or not considered.

You so correctly state —— “This is a major economics issue already where many students are getting degrees, be it from a regional school like ETSU, or flagship state school like UT, taking out sometimes tens of thousands in debt.”

And — these regular student loans are helping pay for a debt free ride by athletes through student athletic fees. Yet — that’s no enough. Seems that exiting college now days debt free, especially after fellow students helped pay one’s bills, would result in just a little bit of gratitude. I could go on a classic rant about this, but who cares? Bottom line — this NIL thing and coming unionization of college student athletics is unsustainable, just like our national debt that’s accompanied by this massive student debt (total outstanding federal student loan debt: $1.60 trillion).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dartmouth-c...yers-vote/
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(03-08-2024 03:32 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ETSU NIL STORE

https://etsubucs.com/news/2024/3/8/etsu-...parel.aspx

I have no problem with this. AJ Merriweather should get in on this too. I would have and still would buy a jersey with his name on it. They do need to add actual jerseys though. I’m sure they would cost a ridiculous amount, but a lot of people would buy them for the popular players. Especially if they stay around more than a year!
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They'll add more, the players have to signup for it. It's a tremendous setup and great for our players of all sports.

https://nil.store/pages/etsu

You can filter by sport and athlete
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(03-08-2024 11:42 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  They'll add more, the players have to signup for it. It's a tremendous setup and great for our players of all sports.

https://nil.store/pages/etsu

You can filter by sport and athlete

I know ETSU and all the others have been forced into this - or fold. However, along with many others, I’m still trying to understand how this whole NIL thing will actually work out so as to NOT negatively impact athletic departments, team unity, team morale, player-coach relations, player-to-player relationships, individual resentment, disagreements, conflict, et al. These things were a challenge to manage under the old system, but isn’t this just throwing fuel on that fire?
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Gonna buy a Seymour shirt after how visible it was that this means the world to him. He gave his all for ETSU!
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(03-13-2024 09:52 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Gonna buy a Seymour shirt after how visible it was that this means the world to him. He gave his all for ETSU!

Absolutely!!
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(03-13-2024 09:52 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Gonna buy a Seymour shirt after how visible it was that this means the world to him. He gave his all for ETSU!

Count me in too!
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(03-13-2024 01:36 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(03-13-2024 09:52 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Gonna buy a Seymour shirt after how visible it was that this means the world to him. He gave his all for ETSU!

Count me in too!

Is he staying?
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REALITY CHECK. However — it must be noted, the money flowing into these athletic departments — certainly into these high paid coaches’ bank accounts - could no longer be disguised with high sounding acclaims about developing players - certainly embarrassingly trying to continue pushing the old worn out student-athlete narrative. Old school people in this business are finished. Enter the new age of paid players choosing schools based on immediate income first and foremost - certainly in football and basketball. I’ll say it again and again — it’s about MONEY. And you say?


Georgia's Kirby Smart sounds alarm on how NIL affects recruiting

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(03-08-2024 11:42 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  They'll add more, the players have to signup for it. It's a tremendous setup and great for our players of all sports.

https://nil.store/pages/etsu

You can filter by sport and athlete

Thanks for putting the link up here.
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There is a great new podcast out today featuring Doc Sander discussing of all things, NIL.
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(03-14-2024 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  There is a great new podcast out today featuring Doc Sander discussing of all things, NIL.

Here is the link

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Make sense of this:

Nick Saban urges Congress to make NIL 'equal across the board,' expresses concerns on Dartmouth unionization

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The NIL store has jerseys now.
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