https://www.utoledo.edu/offices/provost/prioritization/

major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

Some of the programs may have fewer than 10 majors. Also surprised about exercise science. The PhD program was always highly thought of. There is a human performance and fitness concentration in the health sciences degree. Most schools seem to have a sports admin program, which I don't think UT ever had. When we see similar schools rebounding from Covid, it is disappointing.

(01-29-2024 10:28 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  https://www.utoledo.edu/offices/provost/prioritization/

Never ending process of evaluating, prioritizing, and consolidating.

New programs have been created as well over the years. I would like to see the list of degrees when I was a freshman in '74. I'm sure it would be interesting to see the evolution.

My sister and deceased wife were teachers so I feel connected to the profession. Teaching is a super tough gig and was made far worse by Covid. Unless it is a true calling it's very hard to provide for a family on current salaries. Education seems like a tough sell to high quality students in this age.

UT will survive and prosper. I'm glad moves are being made. I feel for those imapcted.

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

that is correct-plus many of the aforementioned "specializations" will be folded into existing degrees so training in those fields will not be lost.....plus urban planning is not being cut, urban studies (which only has a few majors) is the degree being eliminated, urban and regional planning already exists and will continue

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

(01-30-2024 10:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

My youngest was an August graduate from FAU. She originally
wanted to teach, had done her student teaching stint, etc. After
field experiences, she changed her major. Very disillusioned.

(01-30-2024 12:23 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

My youngest was an August graduate from FAU. She originally
wanted to teach, had done her student teaching stint, etc. After
field experiences, she changed her major. Very disillusioned.

Curious - what was it that made her disillusioned? Is it the curriculum, the student behaviors, pay, etc. ? I'm thinking that if I were coming out of college now with an education degree, I would be focused on getting a position at a charrter or private school - not knowing if it is even possible to land a job there just out of college. US spends/wastes more per student than any country in the world - and I just heard we are now ranked 14th in the world in terms of scholastic aptitude in STEM courses. Actually, I thought it was lower than that.

(01-30-2024 03:28 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:23 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

My youngest was an August graduate from FAU. She originally
wanted to teach, had done her student teaching stint, etc. After
field experiences, she changed her major. Very disillusioned.

Curious - what was it that made her disillusioned? Is it the curriculum, the student behaviors, pay, etc. ? I'm thinking that if I were coming out of college now with an education degree, I would be focused on getting a position at a charrter or private school - not knowing if it is even possible to land a job there just out of college. US spends/wastes more per student than any country in the world - and I just heard we are now ranked 14th in the world in terms of scholastic aptitude in STEM courses. Actually, I thought it was lower than that.

Charter schools are notorious for being the absolute worst in regard to student discipline and administration having the backs of teachers, and private schools pay terribly. The state of Florida is a terrible state for getting into K-12 education anyways, as they don't pay well, have very little regulation in what needs to be taught across topics and areas, and generally there are no protections for teachers. With that being said, the pay discussion in general is a moot point in other communities. I have friends in the mid to upper 30s in education in NW Ohio who are making into the six-figures has high school and middle school teachers in public districts and they get two months off unlike the rest of us.

As for US STEM performance, I was under the impression it was worst too...or at least one rating service said so. I've seen as low as 21st...

I've heard horror stories of 7th and 8th grade classes not knowing how to add/subtract this year. It's going to be bad for another decade before the Covid malaise gets cleaned off the education system, but that also means we're going to have about 10 years of people who have severely under-developed critical thinking skills.

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

I believe Exercise Science is being folded into an existing degree-will be a new concentration with that degree

(01-30-2024 05:06 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 01:36 AM)pono Wrote:  major cuts and consolidations. some of these seem to make sense (at least if it's not your job getting cut). some bother me, gutting much of the Masters of Education department - specifically early child and middle school goes against a need for better qualified educators (thank you charter schools). consolidating public health programs and eliminating specialization in things like public health policy, environmental health, epidemiology is strangely timed coming out of a public health crisis that showed how communities with sufficient public health professionals were best prepared to respond to community need. cutting urban planning isn't shocking as the Midwest has long failed to skillfully plan urban development and forward thinking policies contributing to a decline in population and jobs, but it's a popular field in some parts of the country and in wealthier parts of Europe. the Masters in exercise science is no more, which will make UT a less desirable location for athletics grad assistants, young trainers, and folks who want to work in sports on the exercise science side.

These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

I believe Exercise Science is being folded into an existing degree-will be a new concentration with that degree

Correct.

(01-31-2024 11:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 05:06 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:23 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 09:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  These cuts were almost exclusively made to programs that have very little, if any, enrollment. I believe more than half of these programs had fewer than 5 students currently enrolled.

This news is welcomed. If it has to happen then let it be on this level.

Good input.

Go Rockets!

No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

I believe Exercise Science is being folded into an existing degree-will be a new concentration with that degree

Correct.

currently Masters degree in Exercise Science has 7 students (all of the announced programs being eliminated have very few majors, or recent graduates-some have zero of either data measure)

(01-30-2024 04:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 03:28 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:23 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  No problem!

Also, your comment about Exercise Science...that's a weird situation.

So 10 years ago, all you needed to be a licensed athletic trainer was a bachelors degree. 7 years ago, that moved to a Masters, now it is a Masters plus a year of clinical education experience, and there is talk now of moving it to a PhD required. UT got out of the game, so to speak, because the game was changing so much that the money in wasn't worth the money that had to be put into the program to reflect these changes.

They changed things to a BS in Health Sciences that has concentrations in pre-PT/AT, pre-Med, Human Performance (physical training), and pre-PA. So instead of running 4 degrees with 4 different faculty groups, and small enrollments that take almost all the same courses, they now have one degree where students take 5-6 different courses for their specialization and a need for fewer faculty overall. Basically, they offer the same program at the Bachelor's level to prepare students for all the same programs, but are running leaner and more efficient in doing it.

As far as Education, BGSU has been kicking our ass in enrollment over the years, and the online degree farms (Spring Arbor, Franklin, Western Governors, etc.) are kicking everyone's asses as far as getting further credentialed to jump up the salary scales. My guess is that HHS and Education will merge shortly too. Would save on some administrative costs and would mirror what many schools already do (Ohio State, Cincinnati, etc.)

The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

My youngest was an August graduate from FAU. She originally
wanted to teach, had done her student teaching stint, etc. After
field experiences, she changed her major. Very disillusioned.

Curious - what was it that made her disillusioned? Is it the curriculum, the student behaviors, pay, etc. ? I'm thinking that if I were coming out of college now with an education degree, I would be focused on getting a position at a charrter or private school - not knowing if it is even possible to land a job there just out of college. US spends/wastes more per student than any country in the world - and I just heard we are now ranked 14th in the world in terms of scholastic aptitude in STEM courses. Actually, I thought it was lower than that.

Charter schools are notorious for being the absolute worst in regard to student discipline and administration having the backs of teachers, and private schools pay terribly. The state of Florida is a terrible state for getting into K-12 education anyways, as they don't pay well, have very little regulation in what needs to be taught across topics and areas, and generally there are no protections for teachers. With that being said, the pay discussion in general is a moot point in other communities. I have friends in the mid to upper 30s in education in NW Ohio who are making into the six-figures has high school and middle school teachers in public districts and they get two months off unlike the rest of us.

As for US STEM performance, I was under the impression it was worst too...or at least one rating service said so. I've seen as low as 21st...

I've heard horror stories of 7th and 8th grade classes not knowing how to add/subtract this year. It's going to be bad for another decade before the Covid malaise gets cleaned off the education system, but that also means we're going to have about 10 years of people who have severely under-developed critical thinking skills.

I'm sure where the charter schools are located determines how well they are managed for discipline. In Oakland County Michigan the charter schools are highly sought after if parents cannot afford private schools. Still run better than public schools by 40% according to pacificresearch. org

(01-31-2024 01:36 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 04:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 03:28 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:23 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 10:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The number of students enrolling in colleges of education has fallen off of a cliff. One fairly large university I read about recently, totally closed their college of education.

My youngest was an August graduate from FAU. She originally
wanted to teach, had done her student teaching stint, etc. After
field experiences, she changed her major. Very disillusioned.

Curious - what was it that made her disillusioned? Is it the curriculum, the student behaviors, pay, etc. ? I'm thinking that if I were coming out of college now with an education degree, I would be focused on getting a position at a charrter or private school - not knowing if it is even possible to land a job there just out of college. US spends/wastes more per student than any country in the world - and I just heard we are now ranked 14th in the world in terms of scholastic aptitude in STEM courses. Actually, I thought it was lower than that.

Charter schools are notorious for being the absolute worst in regard to student discipline and administration having the backs of teachers, and private schools pay terribly. The state of Florida is a terrible state for getting into K-12 education anyways, as they don't pay well, have very little regulation in what needs to be taught across topics and areas, and generally there are no protections for teachers. With that being said, the pay discussion in general is a moot point in other communities. I have friends in the mid to upper 30s in education in NW Ohio who are making into the six-figures has high school and middle school teachers in public districts and they get two months off unlike the rest of us.

As for US STEM performance, I was under the impression it was worst too...or at least one rating service said so. I've seen as low as 21st...

I've heard horror stories of 7th and 8th grade classes not knowing how to add/subtract this year. It's going to be bad for another decade before the Covid malaise gets cleaned off the education system, but that also means we're going to have about 10 years of people who have severely under-developed critical thinking skills.

I'm sure where the charter schools are located determines how well they are managed for discipline. In Oakland County Michigan the charter schools are highly sought after if parents cannot afford private schools. Still run better than public schools by 40% according to pacificresearch. org

there are outstanding charter schools (just like there are outstanding private and public schools) but there are also way too many terrible charter schools-receiving public funds (just like there are also terrible private and public schools)...all a parent can do is take time to look at options and do their research