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29th year of EMU basketball. I haven't given up hope yet. Go Green Go White Go Eastern!
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(01-30-2024 07:46 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  29th year of EMU basketball. I haven't given up hope yet. Go Green Go White Go Eastern!

04-cheers I am with you, Super!! (Although, I understand the sentiment of Luckey, Bovine, and Glory)
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(01-29-2024 10:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 05:34 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 04:25 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-28-2024 06:52 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Ah yes, Ali Ali is back at Akron Akron after doing the Ty Groce thing at Butler. Akron is loaded. Freeman is fabulous.
Groce is also a phenomenal coach! Groce is 302-204 in his 16th season as A D1 head coach! Akron did lose to Miami Ohio 70-68! Yes, Akron is the cream of the crop in the MAC!
Akron 80 E Mich 62! E Mich 77 N Illinois 70 F! We should definitely split this week!

Great MAC coach for sure. The Peter Principle kicked in on him in Illinois, however.
He went 95-75 at Illinois in 5 seasons! 19 wins a seasons wasn't what Illinois expected! Not terrible! Groce and Heath have coached basically the same amount of seasons! One's 100 games over .500, and Heath is 35 games under .500! That tells you alot........I absolutely love coach Heath as a person, great values, good family man, but he's almost 60, and he has obviously been very successful financially, so does he have the fire left to recruit, and turnaround EMU basketball.......I know I wouldn't if I was in his situation!

37-53 in the B1G in Champaign is "not terrible" sans the "not" word. See Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Weber, Bill Self and Brad Underwood. John Groce in the B1G was Brady Hoke before we in Ann Arbor knew what a Brady Hoke was.

That stated, the job he has done at Akron is nothing short of remarkable. I've been a season ticket holder for ten years or so. I have seen just three teams at the Gervin that could actually make noise in the NCAA tournament. FAU last season, Nate Oats' Buffalo team and the Akron club I saw today. Those are some great athletes that play a very disciplined game, no Toledo or Kent St team had this high of a ceiling. Akron made one hell of a hire.
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(01-30-2024 09:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 10:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 05:34 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 04:25 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-28-2024 06:52 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Ah yes, Ali Ali is back at Akron Akron after doing the Ty Groce thing at Butler. Akron is loaded. Freeman is fabulous.
Groce is also a phenomenal coach! Groce is 302-204 in his 16th season as A D1 head coach! Akron did lose to Miami Ohio 70-68! Yes, Akron is the cream of the crop in the MAC!
Akron 80 E Mich 62! E Mich 77 N Illinois 70 F! We should definitely split this week!

Great MAC coach for sure. The Peter Principle kicked in on him in Illinois, however.
He went 95-75 at Illinois in 5 seasons! 19 wins a seasons wasn't what Illinois expected! Not terrible! Groce and Heath have coached basically the same amount of seasons! One's 100 games over .500, and Heath is 35 games under .500! That tells you alot........I absolutely love coach Heath as a person, great values, good family man, but he's almost 60, and he has obviously been very successful financially, so does he have the fire left to recruit, and turnaround EMU basketball.......I know I wouldn't if I was in his situation!

37-53 in the B1G in Champaign is "not terrible" sans the "not" word. See Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Weber, Bill Self and Brad Underwood. John Groce in the B1G was Brady Hoke before we in Ann Arbor knew what a Brady Hoke was.

That stated, the job he has done at Akron is nothing short of remarkable. I've been a season ticket holder for ten years or so. I have seen just three teams at the Gervin that could actually make noise in the NCAA tournament. FAU last season, Nate Oats' Buffalo team and the Akron club I saw today. Those are some great athletes that play a very disciplined game, no Toledo or Kent St team had this high of a ceiling. Akron made one hell of a hire.
I'm A numbers guy, and they don't normal lie.....37-53 isn't great! Overall 95-75 isn't terrible, but overall 303-204, tells me Groce is a winner! Akron could've won by 50 tonight! EMU has beaten ONE team with a winning record! What else can you say? What will EMU do? You're a phenomenal poster, and your posts are spot on.......
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(01-30-2024 10:06 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-30-2024 09:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 10:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 05:34 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 04:25 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Groce is also a phenomenal coach! Groce is 302-204 in his 16th season as A D1 head coach! Akron did lose to Miami Ohio 70-68! Yes, Akron is the cream of the crop in the MAC!
Akron 80 E Mich 62! E Mich 77 N Illinois 70 F! We should definitely split this week!

Great MAC coach for sure. The Peter Principle kicked in on him in Illinois, however.
He went 95-75 at Illinois in 5 seasons! 19 wins a seasons wasn't what Illinois expected! Not terrible! Groce and Heath have coached basically the same amount of seasons! One's 100 games over .500, and Heath is 35 games under .500! That tells you alot........I absolutely love coach Heath as a person, great values, good family man, but he's almost 60, and he has obviously been very successful financially, so does he have the fire left to recruit, and turnaround EMU basketball.......I know I wouldn't if I was in his situation!

37-53 in the B1G in Champaign is "not terrible" sans the "not" word. See Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Weber, Bill Self and Brad Underwood. John Groce in the B1G was Brady Hoke before we in Ann Arbor knew what a Brady Hoke was.

That stated, the job he has done at Akron is nothing short of remarkable. I've been a season ticket holder for ten years or so. I have seen just three teams at the Gervin that could actually make noise in the NCAA tournament. FAU last season, Nate Oats' Buffalo team and the Akron club I saw today. Those are some great athletes that play a very disciplined game, no Toledo or Kent St team had this high of a ceiling. Akron made one hell of a hire.
I'm A numbers guy, and they don't normal lie.....37-53 isn't great! Overall 95-75 isn't terrible, but overall 303-204, tells me Groce is a winner! Akron could've won by 50 tonight! EMU has beaten ONE team with a winning record! What else can you say? What will EMU do? You're a phenomenal poster, and your posts are spot on.......

I'll take the clue and bet the Zips to win the MAC.

And yes, fans are starting to see how weak our team is. Our record is a total mirage of weak OOC wins and playing in a conference with only a few good teams. When EMU plays UB someone has to win. A bad MAC team can win half of their conference games.

I think posters here deserve credit for being muted during a very trying season.
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I will take my hat off to Acuff and Lovejoy. Acuff is the focus of the defense and Lovejoy plays the ball handler on defense. They work their asses off and pretty much play the whole game. Again, no McGriff or Ellerbe to be seen anywhere near the bench.

I'm awfully sure both Tyson and Orlando will be in the portal after this season and that makes me sad.
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I think we've reached the "what's the point?" portion of the season. We are just playing out the string. I'm lucky, I have a really fun, well coached mid-major team 4 miles from my house, the Drake Bulldogs. They play the right way, they pack their arena--which is right on campus, and they have a legitimate star in Tucker DeVries. Since EMU isn't going anywhere this season, this could be a fun secondary team to root for!
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(01-31-2024 07:52 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I think we've reached the "what's the point?" portion of the season. We are just playing out the string. I'm lucky, I have a really fun, well coached mid-major team 4 miles from my house, the Drake Bulldogs. They play the right way, they pack their arena--which is right on campus, and they have a legitimate star in Tucker DeVries. Since EMU isn't going anywhere this season, this could be a fun secondary team to root for!

And the "problem" is that only 8 teams make the playoffs. Hence, for several teams the end is near.
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I really identify with the sentiments Jerry, BobW, Steve, and Bovine are suggesting in this thread. As BobW says “what’s the point?”. But I don’t think it is in reference to the portion of the season, but rather the portion of the Coaching Tenure. This still could and probably will end up Coach Heath’s best season in terms of Wins- currently at 9 and I am sure he and the team will pull out another 2-4.

Ironically, it might be his least talented team. No frontcourt player is of Mo Njie caliber nor has the athleticism of N Scott. We don’t have a 4 deep backcourt like we did with McBride, Spottsville, Noah F, and M Scott.Year 1 might have been his most talented team overall. Of course, year 2 TyCuff and Lovejoy were playing alongside Noah F and Emoni Bates who were both rare MAC level talents. So I think this is Coach Heath’s best coaching year. Just too little, too late, and not enough talent to coach.

I like this team. They certainly each have some talents and skills, they just need to put it all together both on an individual level and on a team level. But if they manage to do so in the next year or two, they are doing so without LoveJoy and TyCuff- both who should transfer out, as Jerry points out. And that will take us to the end of Coach Heath’s term, and we will start all over again from there. Yeesh, the futility!!

I will add one more thing: this team is still in contention for the 8th seed in the MAC tourney. I figure the bottom 5 teams (Kent St, Ball St, EMU, Buffalo, and NIU) are in similar boats with this regard. I believe EMU can still do this, but would likely need to win at least 4 more games. Seems possible, but not necessarily likely. Regardless, would seem a moot accomplishment at this point… Still yet, I will be rooting and hoping it does happen!!
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(01-31-2024 11:29 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  I really identify with the sentiments Jerry, BobW, Steve, and Bovine are suggesting in this thread. As BobW says “what’s the point?”. But I don’t think it is in reference to the portion of the season, but rather the portion of the Coaching Tenure. This still could and probably will end up Coach Heath’s best season in terms of Wins- currently at 9 and I am sure he and the team will pull out another 2-4.

Ironically, it might be his least talented team. No frontcourt player is of Mo Njie caliber nor has the athleticism of N Scott. We don’t have a 4 deep backcourt like we did with McBride, Spottsville, Noah F, and M Scott.Year 1 might have been his most talented team overall. Of course, year 2 TyCuff and Lovejoy were playing alongside Noah F and Emoni Bates who were both rare MAC level talents. So I think this is Coach Heath’s best coaching year. Just too little, too late, and not enough talent to coach.

I like this team. They certainly each have some talents and skills, they just need to put it all together both on an individual level and on a team level. But if they manage to do so in the next year or two, they are doing so without LoveJoy and TyCuff- both who should transfer out, as Jerry points out. And that will take us to the end of Coach Heath’s term, and we will start all over again from there. Yeesh, the futility!!

I will add one more thing: this team is still in contention for the 8th seed in the MAC tourney. I figure the bottom 5 teams (Kent St, Ball St, EMU, Buffalo, and NIU) are in similar boats with this regard. I believe EMU can still do this, but would likely need to win at least 4 more games. Seems possible, but not necessarily likely. Regardless, would seem a moot accomplishment at this point… Still yet, I will be rooting and hoping it does happen!!

Ramy you can see a bright light in the dimmest of situations. Love it, like you, I will be attending and rooting for EMU until the end. These guys work hard. Acuff, Lovejoy, Geeter, Jihad and Randle are all from Metro Detroit, local guys.

I do disagree with your assessment about Stan's coaching performance, however. An NCAA coach is the GM and coach of the program, he assembled this team with its dearth of talent. He is not a Tigers' manager working under incompetent GM Al Avilla or a Lions coach working with the low-level talent that bumbling Bob Quinn and Matt Millen provided him. Like Bill Parcells used to complain about, "he cooks the meal, BUT Stan also gets to shop for the groceries". As they say, "good recruiting beats good coaching every time" and Stan has proved that true this year.

Murph was a lousy coach, but he was a good GM/recruiter. His MAC career winning percentage was .459, Heath's is currently at .255, in Jim Boone's .239 territory. I think it is clear in year three, Stan does NOT have skill sets to succeed at EMU. I'm hoping that Keith Stone/Game Above can step in and make Stan reasonably whole while moving on. CMU donors bought out Keno's contract at the same time we hired Stan. Today they are 7-2 in the MAC while we sit at 2-7.
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(01-31-2024 06:22 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Ramy you can see a bright light in the dimmest of situations. Love it, like you, I will be attending and rooting for EMU until the end. These guys work hard. Acuff, Lovejoy, Geeter, Jihad and Randle are all from Metro Detroit, local guys.

I do disagree with your assessment about Stan's coaching performance, however. An NCAA coach is the GM and coach of the program, he assembled this team with its dearth of talent. He is not a Tigers' manager working under incompetent GM Al Avilla or a Lions coach working with the low-level talent that bumbling Bob Quinn and Matt Millen provided him. Like Bill Parcells used to complain about, "he cooks the meal, BUT Stan also gets to shop for the groceries". As they say, "good recruiting beats good coaching every time" and Stan has proved that true this year.

Murph was a lousy coach, but he was a good GM/recruiter. His MAC career winning percentage was .459, Heath's is currently at .255, in Jim Boone's .239 territory. I think it is clear in year three, Stan does NOT have skill sets to succeed at EMU. I'm hoping that Keith Stone/Game Above can step in and make Stan reasonably whole while moving on. CMU donors bought out Keno's contract at the same time we hired Stan. Today they are 7-2 in the MAC while we sit at 2-7.

Jerry, I am not finding the bright side of a dim situation. I think we all agree that Coach Heath has failed and he won’t recover (you just did a better job explaining how bad it has been). In fact, we are in such agreement, I quoted you twice in my post. The only difference between us is I am not expecting anyone to hasten the departure (I hope I am wrong). Buying out the contract would be $750,000+. With all the legitimate celebration of recent donations, that would be a huge subtraction from all that unless Coach Heath agrees to forgo some money as you suggest.
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(01-31-2024 06:59 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-31-2024 06:22 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Ramy you can see a bright light in the dimmest of situations. Love it, like you, I will be attending and rooting for EMU until the end. These guys work hard. Acuff, Lovejoy, Geeter, Jihad and Randle are all from Metro Detroit, local guys.

I do disagree with your assessment about Stan's coaching performance, however. An NCAA coach is the GM and coach of the program, he assembled this team with its dearth of talent. He is not a Tigers' manager working under incompetent GM Al Avilla or a Lions coach working with the low-level talent that bumbling Bob Quinn and Matt Millen provided him. Like Bill Parcells used to complain about, "he cooks the meal, BUT Stan also gets to shop for the groceries". As they say, "good recruiting beats good coaching every time" and Stan has proved that true this year.

Murph was a lousy coach, but he was a good GM/recruiter. His MAC career winning percentage was .459, Heath's is currently at .255, in Jim Boone's .239 territory. I think it is clear in year three, Stan does NOT have skill sets to succeed at EMU. I'm hoping that Keith Stone/Game Above can step in and make Stan reasonably whole while moving on. CMU donors bought out Keno's contract at the same time we hired Stan. Today they are 7-2 in the MAC while we sit at 2-7.

Jerry, I am not finding the bright side of a dim situation. I think we all agree that Coach Heath has failed and he won’t recover (you just did a better job explaining how bad it has been). In fact, we are in such agreement, I quoted you twice in my post. The only difference between us is I am not expecting anyone to hasten the departure (I hope I am wrong). Buying out the contract would be $750,000+. With all the legitimate celebration of recent donations, that would be a huge subtraction from all that unless Coach Heath agrees to forgo some money as you suggest.

I admire Jerry, Ramy and super for continuing their allegiance to EMU basketball. I like all three posters and I know and like Jerry. However, with that said, at some point enough is enough and we vote for coaches by giving dollars to them thru ticket sales. I’ve reached my boiling point where I’m expecting more from EMU. It’s embarrassing to roll out a team like EMU has with Boone thru Heath while the AD comes up with silly incentives to get fan support. Fans are not coming to watch horrible basketball. In fact, take this team and play them in historic Bowen Fieldhouse and they’re still not coming. Wetherbee has failed at hiring two basketball coaches so this is the root cause of the basketball fiasco. I believe the next basketball coach needs to be a local young guy with huge aspirations that will scour the state and Midwest for talent and build a program brick by brick that has a team that plays with fire on defense and with down hill brutality on offense. Where do we get this coach? I know it will be hard but now we have Game Above who I believe is no longer supporting the staff (rumors). Our best hope is to ask Heath to resign for the sake of EMU.

Regarding some comments on players transferring: Lovejoy would not start on any team vying for a MAC championship. I believe his starting role keeps him here unless he wants to go play at UofD or Wayne State. He has great game at scoring in the paint but can not stretch the defense like a premier guard. Acuff will be a senior next year and has the green light to take ill advised highly difficult Emoni like shots which has made him a very inefficient player - not his fault he simply plays with little talent. Oakland might take Acuff but he would need to sit a year and I don’t think he would do that.
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(01-31-2024 06:59 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-31-2024 06:22 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Ramy you can see a bright light in the dimmest of situations. Love it, like you, I will be attending and rooting for EMU until the end. These guys work hard. Acuff, Lovejoy, Geeter, Jihad and Randle are all from Metro Detroit, local guys.

I do disagree with your assessment about Stan's coaching performance, however. An NCAA coach is the GM and coach of the program, he assembled this team with its dearth of talent. He is not a Tigers' manager working under incompetent GM Al Avilla or a Lions coach working with the low-level talent that bumbling Bob Quinn and Matt Millen provided him. Like Bill Parcells used to complain about, "he cooks the meal, BUT Stan also gets to shop for the groceries". As they say, "good recruiting beats good coaching every time" and Stan has proved that true this year.

Murph was a lousy coach, but he was a good GM/recruiter. His MAC career winning percentage was .459, Heath's is currently at .255, in Jim Boone's .239 territory. I think it is clear in year three, Stan does NOT have skill sets to succeed at EMU. I'm hoping that Keith Stone/Game Above can step in and make Stan reasonably whole while moving on. CMU donors bought out Keno's contract at the same time we hired Stan. Today they are 7-2 in the MAC while we sit at 2-7.

Jerry, I am not finding the bright side of a dim situation. I think we all agree that Coach Heath has failed and he won’t recover (you just did a better job explaining how bad it has been). In fact, we are in such agreement, I quoted you twice in my post. The only difference between us is I am not expecting anyone to hasten the departure (I hope I am wrong). Buying out the contract would be $750,000+. With all the legitimate celebration of recent donations, that would be a huge subtraction from all that unless Coach Heath agrees to forgo some money as you suggest.

I admire Jerry, Ramy and super for continuing their allegiance to EMU basketball. I like all three posters and I know and like Jerry. However, with that said, at some point enough is enough and we vote for coaches by giving dollars to them thru ticket sales. I’ve reached my boiling point where I’m expecting more from EMU. It’s embarrassing to roll out a team like EMU has with Boone thru Heath while the AD comes up with silly incentives to get fan support. Fans are not coming to watch horrible basketball. In fact, take this team and play them in historic Bowen Fieldhouse and they’re still not coming. Wetherbee has failed at hiring two basketball coaches so this is the root cause of the basketball fiasco. I believe the next basketball coach needs to be a local young guy with huge aspirations that will scour the state and Midwest for talent and build a program brick by brick that has a team that plays with fire on defense and with down hill brutality on offense. Where do we get this coach? I know it will be hard but now we have Game Above who I believe is no longer supporting the staff (rumors). Our best hope is to ask Heath to resign for the sake of EMU.

Regarding some comments on players transferring: Lovejoy would not start on any team vying for a MAC championship. I believe his starting role keeps him here unless he wants to go play at UofD or Wayne State. He has great game at scoring in the paint but can not stretch the defense like a premier guard. Acuff will be a senior next year and has the green light to take ill advised highly difficult Emoni like shots which has made him a very inefficient player - not his fault he simply plays with little talent. Oakland might take Acuff but he would need to sit a year and I don’t think he would do that.

Tom, Tyson had two seasons at Duquesne and now two at EMU. He has to be nearing the credit hours for graduation and a grad transfer can play immediately.

As usual you make great points about Lovejoy's outside game, thus his attractiveness to other programs. I thought that after shooting near 80% from the free throw line last year, indicating that the stroke is there, Heath might coach him up to hitting threes. Instead, he has been shooting less than 60% from the charity stripe this year. Ugh. His three-ball stroke is horrible, he seems to launch the ball from near his stomach, so much for coaching.

The main reason I see Orlando leaving is his body language and facial expressions when being coached. He is hardly as dismissive as Emoni was, but he still seems annoyed, much like Noah was last year. Just my take on the situation.
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This is for you RamyEMU, and BobW! We were the 3 that believed in him!

You guys are indeed the "Three Amigos".

My perspective, however, was centered on his effect on EMU's program, which ended up with just EIGHT wins the season he played in Ypsilanti. One question. How many games did YOU attend last season? I'm guessing none but could be mistaken. Hence, you probably did not see Emoni's ignorance of Coach Heath, it was notable and obvious to all in attendance. In my eyes, Bates was horrible for our program.

That said, I am rooting for the kid to do well in the NBA. He is from the county where I live and did attend EMU as well. What's not to like about his NBA performance? I would absolutely love to see him succeed!
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