Series of ESPN articles on the changes for 2024. Realignment, playoff schedule and other. One interesting series of quotes:
"...The current December schedule for college football is crammed. The transfer window opened on Dec. 4 -- the day after the committee announced the playoff teams, and two days after the conference title games. Players were allowed to transfer through Jan. 2 -- the day after the CFP semifinals. Sandwiched between all of that was the Dec. 20 early signing day.
"The problem is not the bowls or the bowl system," Carparelli said. "The problem is the circumstances that we've allowed to be created around it."
Incoming freshmen were watching the transfer portal, and transfers were watching the signing classes. Fans were watching bowl games without some of their star players.
"I think the recruiting calendar in December has to change," Sankey said. "That's not something new for me to say. We're prepared to address it. We'll spend time as a league and resend ideas again. The early signing date cannot remain where it is. That's not fair to the highest-level teams. Where the other 110 teams in the bowl subdivision care or FCS, they have to be attentive that this end of football drives the lot. The notion that it's an awkward timing is reality....""
(01-20-2024 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: it's not fair to the highest level teams [oxymoron]
NFL is successful becauce of parity among the teams
that is imposiable in CFB
Good point. CFB is designed to favor the elite brands, while the NFL strives for competition.
Imagine if CFB actually cared about the student-athletes…the transfer window has to be completed before the start of the Spring semester. Don’t know when an early signing date should be…but Alabama, Ohio State, etc. haven’t struggled with recruiting recently.
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (1-2 Weeks in June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (July, currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (1-2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day (Feb.)/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game (April)
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
Edit: rewatching and updating
(This post was last modified: 01-20-2024 08:53 PM by GoBuckeyes1047.)
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
Maybe move the transfer portal to Dec. 26 to Jan. 15. They won't feel pressured to hit the portal early but could wait for the bowl if they wished.
Yeah.... it's not fair to the highest level teams to not allow them the maximum amount of time to pilfer the best talent from the other teams at the last minute.
This was the whole reason for the early signing period and apparently it worked.
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2024 01:10 AM by ChrisLords.)
The transfer portal is when it is since that’s when fall semester finals end and the student-athletes could find a better fit for their spring semester, right?
(01-20-2024 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: it's not fair to the highest level teams [oxymoron]
NFL is successful becauce of parity among the teams
that is imposiable in CFB
Depends on how you define parity. Over the last 13 years, NE (8) and KC Swift (6) have appeared in the AFCCG, regardless of how poorly they may have played in regular season. KC was lucky to finish 500, but of course they reached the Final Four again. I ran into a Bills fan this morning and asked him, "You didn't really think the NFL would allow Swift to have an early exit from the playoffs?" I don't want that kind of parity. Conversely, Alabama has been great over the same time period but not as great the last 2 seasons and they've failed to reach the Finals.
And no we shouldn't have parity of 135 teams either. Splitting CFB to 48-72 teams would be the best move. The NHL is full of parity; the Bruins dominate last season only to lose in the 1st Round, rendering the entire regular season meaningless. The NHL is also currently 5th in ratings, maybe lower if we add NASCAR and rock skipping.
(This post was last modified: 01-22-2024 08:39 AM by Scoochpooch1.)
With so many schools on the semester system how do you move it to a later date? Are you going to let kids miss the first 3 or 4 weeks of classes at their new school? Or do you make them wait to transfer in the summer, missing all of spring practice? There is no good timing based on the schedule.
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
I read that the Transfer Portal window is to allow players to be eligible for the next season (something to do with enrollment). I wonder how that issue can be addressed?
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
I read that the Transfer Portal window is to allow players to be eligible for the next season (something to do with enrollment). I wonder how that issue can be addressed?
The challenge with any attempted restriction on movement right now is that they may all be declared illegal.
The timing of hiring of coaches definitely can’t be restricted - they’re not unionized and the universities collectively agreeing to only hire coaches during a certain time period would be a clear violation of antitrust law.
The transfer portal opening in December is assuredly bad for the schools losing players (which is what a lot of fans focus on), but people seem to forget that they’re also all gaining transfers on the flip side. More importantly, to the extent that the NCAA can even enforce any type of transfer window at all in the long-term (which is an open question), it’s also the most defensible date from a legal perspective - it’s after the regular season has concluded, scholarship commitments are fulfilled, and it allows enough time for players to enroll in other schools for the next semester/quarter. Anything that is perceived as curtailing an athlete’s ability to transfer schools compared to a “normal” student is going to get really squeezed (if not outright eliminated). The courts are simply weighing that much more than if teams and/or players are playing in playoff games or bowl games or not. Transferring during December is simply much more like a “normal” student transfer period (as normal students generally want to be at their new school in January). In contrast, moving the transfer portal to January has the practical effect of forcing most players to stay at their current school in the spring semester or quarter, which is harder to defend.
Getting rid of the early high school recruit signing period in December and back to one single signing day in February seems like a more realistic option. Granted, a lot of the same legal issues could arguably apply to high school athletes, but it’s not nearly as acute of an issue as restricting existing college athlete movement. At the same time, this would seem to be the most “fair” to everyone involved because everyone is clear where teams’ rosters are either set or have deficiencies after transfers have been completed.
Josh Pate CFB Calendar Suggestion:
June/July - Dead Period (June), Recruiting Window, Early Signing Period (currently December)
Mid-Late July - Dead Period (2 Weeks)/Media Day (just before Fall camp)
August - Fall Camp Opens
Sept.-Nov. - Regular Season
Dec. - CCGs, Transfer Portal opens, Coaching Carousel, CFP, Bowls
January - CFP
February/March - National Signing Day/Conference Schedule Releases (prior to start of Spring Practices opening)
March/April - Spring Practices, Spring Game
May - 2nd Transfer Portal opens
That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
I read that the Transfer Portal window is to allow players to be eligible for the next season (something to do with enrollment). I wonder how that issue can be addressed?
The challenge with any attempted restriction on movement right now is that they may all be declared illegal.
The timing of hiring of coaches definitely can’t be restricted - they’re not unionized and the universities collectively agreeing to only hire coaches during a certain time period would be a clear violation of antitrust law.
The transfer portal opening in December is assuredly bad for the schools losing players (which is what a lot of fans focus on), but people seem to forget that they’re also all gaining transfers on the flip side. More importantly, to the extent that the NCAA can even enforce any type of transfer window at all in the long-term (which is an open question), it’s also the most defensible date from a legal perspective - it’s after the regular season has concluded, scholarship commitments are fulfilled, and it allows enough time for players to enroll in other schools for the next semester/quarter. Anything that is perceived as curtailing an athlete’s ability to transfer schools compared to a “normal” student is going to get really squeezed (if not outright eliminated). The courts are simply weighing that much more than if teams and/or players are playing in playoff games or bowl games or not. Transferring during December is simply much more like a “normal” student transfer period (as normal students generally want to be at their new school in January). In contrast, moving the transfer portal to January has the practical effect of forcing most players to stay at their current school in the spring semester or quarter, which is harder to defend.
Getting rid of the early high school recruit signing period in December and back to one single signing day in February seems like a more realistic option. Granted, a lot of the same legal issues could arguably apply to high school athletes, but it’s not nearly as acute of an issue as restricting existing college athlete movement. At the same time, this would seem to be the most “fair” to everyone involved because everyone is clear where teams’ rosters are either set or have deficiencies after transfers have been completed.
There is but one remedy, and it is not restrictive, but it does protect both parties, contracts. I know this will be an admission of a status that many will not prefer, but it is where this ends.
(01-20-2024 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: That looks like it could work.
No. Move Decembers' Transfer Portal opening & Coaching Carousel to After January's CFP final and before National Signing day. Then you have something which will work.
I read that the Transfer Portal window is to allow players to be eligible for the next season (something to do with enrollment). I wonder how that issue can be addressed?
The challenge with any attempted restriction on movement right now is that they may all be declared illegal.
The timing of hiring of coaches definitely can’t be restricted - they’re not unionized and the universities collectively agreeing to only hire coaches during a certain time period would be a clear violation of antitrust law.
The transfer portal opening in December is assuredly bad for the schools losing players (which is what a lot of fans focus on), but people seem to forget that they’re also all gaining transfers on the flip side. More importantly, to the extent that the NCAA can even enforce any type of transfer window at all in the long-term (which is an open question), it’s also the most defensible date from a legal perspective - it’s after the regular season has concluded, scholarship commitments are fulfilled, and it allows enough time for players to enroll in other schools for the next semester/quarter. Anything that is perceived as curtailing an athlete’s ability to transfer schools compared to a “normal” student is going to get really squeezed (if not outright eliminated). The courts are simply weighing that much more than if teams and/or players are playing in playoff games or bowl games or not. Transferring during December is simply much more like a “normal” student transfer period (as normal students generally want to be at their new school in January). In contrast, moving the transfer portal to January has the practical effect of forcing most players to stay at their current school in the spring semester or quarter, which is harder to defend.
Getting rid of the early high school recruit signing period in December and back to one single signing day in February seems like a more realistic option. Granted, a lot of the same legal issues could arguably apply to high school athletes, but it’s not nearly as acute of an issue as restricting existing college athlete movement. At the same time, this would seem to be the most “fair” to everyone involved because everyone is clear where teams’ rosters are either set or have deficiencies after transfers have been completed.
There is but one remedy, and it is not restrictive, but it does protect both parties, contracts. I know this will be an admission of a status that many will not prefer, but it is where this ends.
Yes - of course. If there is a collective bargaining agreement that has a specified transfer period, then that can be agreed upon. (Note that this won’t work if there are only individual agreements without collective bargaining. Schools would have to individually negotiate transfer periods with each athlete in those situations. If the schools all collectively agree to the same transfer period without deviations in anything other than under collective bargaining, then they’d end up with the same antitrust compliance issues as they have now.)
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