RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 01:27 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:17 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:07 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 12:57 PM)bullet Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:37 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: True. And Boise St could join the B1G before Washington, but it seems unlikely.
I haven’t heard Georgia called a public Ivy, though I do know that it’s an excellent school.
UAB has one of the nation's top medical schools, so yes, they are much closer to AAU than Auburn or Alabama.
UAB has an excellent medical school and hospital. But, no one in the south knows about or cares about AAU status.
A rather bold statement.
I agree that lots of casual fans are unaware of the AAU. We probably overrate it on this board.
But there is some cache (in college sports) that comes with quality academics.
Let's put it this way. Would you rather cheer for a strong football or basketball program that is part of an academically mediocre university or one that is part of a highly respected academic institution?
Sports fans and alumni literally do not care.
If by "sports fans" you mean the "average" college sports fans, who likely couldn't even note even the basic info (enrollment, endowment, acceptance rate, etc.) of the universities affiliated with the team for which they cheer ... I agree with you. Those are the classic "sports nerd" fans who are interested essentially only in the athletics of a university. But there are fans (I'm one) who are interested in (and care about) the ancillary elements associated with the athletic programs we root for.
You seem to be painting with an extremely broad brush. Yes, in general, I agree with you. But there are many exceptions.
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
Bottom line, you're proud of your school, and you'll use anything to rationalize why your school is better than other schools. So when someone just beat you on the field, you point out that they're a bunch of dumb-dumbs to feel better about your loss.
This thread, and the paying athletes thread really boil down to what Jerry Seinfeld said: "We're rooting for a shirt."
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2024 07:02 PM by JSchmack.)
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 07:01 PM)JSchmack Wrote: Bottom line, you're proud of your school, and you'll use anything to rationalize why your school is better than other schools. So when someone just beat you on the field, you point out that they're a bunch of dumb-dumbs to feel better about your loss.
This thread, and the paying athletes thread really boil down to what Jerry Seinfeld said: "We're rooting for a shirt."
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 01:17 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:07 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 12:57 PM)bullet Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:37 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote: UAB could become AAU before Alabama and Auburn.
True. And Boise St could join the B1G before Washington, but it seems unlikely.
I haven’t heard Georgia called a public Ivy, though I do know that it’s an excellent school.
UAB has one of the nation's top medical schools, so yes, they are much closer to AAU than Auburn or Alabama.
UAB has an excellent medical school and hospital. But, no one in the south knows about or cares about AAU status.
A rather bold statement.
I agree that lots of casual fans are unaware of the AAU. We probably overrate it on this board.
But there is some cache (in college sports) that comes with quality academics.
Let's put it this way. Would you rather cheer for a strong football or basketball program that is part of an academically mediocre university or one that is part of a highly respected academic institution?
I only became aware of the AAU (not the Amateur Athletic Union) after conference realignment became a thing. The University of Pittsburgh was admitted to the AAU the year I received my Master's there, and I don't remember ever seeing a news article in the student newspaper or reading any information from the university to that effect. And if I had, it might've been something I'd have said, oh that's nice.
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2024 07:57 PM by EdwordL.)
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 07:57 PM)EdwordL Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:17 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:07 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 12:57 PM)bullet Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:37 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote: True. And Boise St could join the B1G before Washington, but it seems unlikely.
I haven’t heard Georgia called a public Ivy, though I do know that it’s an excellent school.
UAB has one of the nation's top medical schools, so yes, they are much closer to AAU than Auburn or Alabama.
UAB has an excellent medical school and hospital. But, no one in the south knows about or cares about AAU status.
A rather bold statement.
I agree that lots of casual fans are unaware of the AAU. We probably overrate it on this board.
But there is some cache (in college sports) that comes with quality academics.
Let's put it this way. Would you rather cheer for a strong football or basketball program that is part of an academically mediocre university or one that is part of a highly respected academic institution?
I only became aware of the AAU (not the Amateur Athletic Union) after conference realignment became a thing. The University of Pittsburgh was admitted to the AAU the year I received my Master's there, and I don't remember ever seeing a news article in the student newspaper or reading any information from the university to that effect. And if I had, it might've been something I'd have said, oh that's nice.
It's a new form of orthodoxy complete with piousness and with some very interesting peculiarities baked into the formula for acceptance, including one which wins the souls of the academicians, "the amount of investment in the pay of the faculty". Which of course is not reflective of quality of education, nor of quality of research. But boy does that gain a push for the status!
The SEC put a push on it for two reasons. To raise their own self esteem in the wake of so much being made over the status, and to defend their ability to compete for schools within our region where AAU status had been attained. The SEC values it for these reasons, but not above meeting the needs of the states which fund the schools, nor at the expense of athletic common sense in the pursuit of non-academic achievement.
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2024 08:38 PM by JRsec.)
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:
(01-09-2024 07:57 PM)EdwordL Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:17 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:07 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 12:57 PM)bullet Wrote: UAB has one of the nation's top medical schools, so yes, they are much closer to AAU than Auburn or Alabama.
UAB has an excellent medical school and hospital. But, no one in the south knows about or cares about AAU status.
A rather bold statement.
I agree that lots of casual fans are unaware of the AAU. We probably overrate it on this board.
But there is some cache (in college sports) that comes with quality academics.
Let's put it this way. Would you rather cheer for a strong football or basketball program that is part of an academically mediocre university or one that is part of a highly respected academic institution?
I only became aware of the AAU (not the Amateur Athletic Union) after conference realignment became a thing. The University of Pittsburgh was admitted to the AAU the year I received my Master's there, and I don't remember ever seeing a news article in the student newspaper or reading any information from the university to that effect. And if I had, it might've been something I'd have said, oh that's nice.
It's a new form of orthodoxy complete with piousness and with some very interesting peculiarities baked into the formula for acceptance, including one which wins the souls of the academicians, "the amount of investment in the pay of the faculty". Which of course is not reflective of quality of education, nor of quality of research. But boy does that gain a push for the status!
The SEC put a push on it for two reasons. To raise their own self esteem in the wake of so much being made over the status, and to defend their ability to compete for schools within our region where AAU status had been attained. The SEC values it for these reasons, but not above meeting the needs of the states which fund the schools, nor at the expense of athletic common sense in the pursuit of non-academic achievement.
Don't be such a skeptic. The AAU is simply a group of the leading research universities. Its a nice club to be in and its a lobbying group for federal research investments.
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Public Ivies like William and Mary and Miami will never be a part of the AAU. Brown finally made it in the last admittance. Some of the elite snobbish northeastern privates have no chance either.
Its about research at the graduate level.
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 09:26 PM)bullet Wrote: Public Ivies like William and Mary and Miami will never be a part of the AAU. Brown finally made it in the last admittance. Some of the elite snobbish northeastern privates have no chance either.
Its about research at the graduate level.
It's about a lot of things Bullet. Read the requirements. It's a sausage. Some of the requirements were targeted at the South 160 years ago, when you consider the requirements of the division of higher education in states under a reconstruction constitution. But today, the narrative that somehow the only valuable education is in research misses the point of education in general. We need engineers. We need doctors. We need technicians. We need military leaders. We need teachers (not indoctrinators), my point is all education is good when those who receive it make societies lives' better, as well as their own. The notion that we should use our skills to serve our Republic is an old one which needs to be reborn with an old slogan. All work is honorable. The pursuit of excellence, the use of reason, and an educated and informed citizenry are all essential ingredients for a free society.
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
What’s funny about this premise is that by any metric, the SEC schools (and the states they’re located in) do care less about academics. States in the south spend a fraction of the money on higher ed than do states in the Midwest, west coast, and northeast. The acceptance rates are higher, funding is lower, graduation rates are lower, research output is lower (even after adding UT Austin). This is true generally but also specifically, if you compare Big Ten schools to SEC ones.
Additionally, southern states are consistently the least educated in the country. U of Alabama just eliminated liberal arts requirements for their entire university, making it effectively a trade school rather than a university. While not in the SEC, West Virginia no longer offers grad programs in math or any foreign language courses. You simply don’t hear speaking about the academics of their universities with the same pride as their athletics, which you hear not infrequently from Big Ten alumni.
There is just no world where claiming the SEC or the south generally (UNC & UVa not withstanding) care about academics like Big Ten schools (and several ACC & Big 12 schools) do. SEC schools are seen by their own fans & alumni as sports programs that also offer classes sometimes. It’s fine, just own it.
(01-09-2024 01:21 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: I have heard this lie countless times from B1G fans (aka Big Ten) and Big XII fans as well: "the SEC doesn't care about academics." Nothing could be further from the truth, IMO.
To start, there will be five SEC members in the AAU (Vandy, Missouri, Florida, Texas A&M, and Texas this year). Would the SEC like to have more AAU members?? Yes!!!
You guys keep telling me and others," the SEC doesn't care about academics; all they care about is football. The SECU is a sham." That is a bunch of hogwash!! I challenge any of you Big Ten fans or Big XII or ACC fans to check out the SECU for yourselves. See if it really is a sham. https://www.thesecu.com/ check this article on SEC faculty: https://www.thesecu.com/news/collaborati...ticipants/
A lot of SEC universities would love to be AAU, but the AAU won't even give them a sniff!! UGA is a public Ivy, and surprise, surprise-not in the AAU. Is this fair?? UGA's president would love to be in the AAU. But, the AAU won't invite UGA. And that's just one SEC institution. Don't think 'Bama or Auburn is interested in AAU?? Think again!!!
It hasn't been talked about on here much, IMO, but every single SEC institution is in the ORAU:
The ORAU is an academic association trying to improve the lives of everyday Americans, IMO. It does this better than the AAU, IMO, although AAU is viewed as having more prestige.
So think about the above post when you claim that "the SEC doesn't care about academics." It isn't true!!!
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-10-2024 02:55 AM)TexasCat Wrote: What’s funny about this premise is that by any metric, the SEC schools (and the states they’re located in) do care less about academics. States in the south spend a fraction of the money on higher ed than do states in the Midwest, west coast, and northeast. The acceptance rates are higher, funding is lower, graduation rates are lower, research output is lower (even after adding UT Austin). This is true generally but also specifically, if you compare Big Ten schools to SEC ones.
Additionally, southern states are consistently the least educated in the country. U of Alabama just eliminated liberal arts requirements for their entire university, making it effectively a trade school rather than a university. While not in the SEC, West Virginia no longer offers grad programs in math or any foreign language courses. You simply don’t hear speaking about the academics of their universities with the same pride as their athletics, which you hear not infrequently from Big Ten alumni.
There is just no world where claiming the SEC or the south generally (UNC & UVa not withstanding) care about academics like Big Ten schools (and several ACC & Big 12 schools) do. SEC schools are seen by their own fans & alumni as sports programs that also offer classes sometimes. It’s fine, just own it.
(01-09-2024 01:21 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: I have heard this lie countless times from B1G fans (aka Big Ten) and Big XII fans as well: "the SEC doesn't care about academics." Nothing could be further from the truth, IMO.
To start, there will be five SEC members in the AAU (Vandy, Missouri, Florida, Texas A&M, and Texas this year). Would the SEC like to have more AAU members?? Yes!!!
You guys keep telling me and others," the SEC doesn't care about academics; all they care about is football. The SECU is a sham." That is a bunch of hogwash!! I challenge any of you Big Ten fans or Big XII or ACC fans to check out the SECU for yourselves. See if it really is a sham. https://www.thesecu.com/ check this article on SEC faculty: https://www.thesecu.com/news/collaborati...ticipants/
A lot of SEC universities would love to be AAU, but the AAU won't even give them a sniff!! UGA is a public Ivy, and surprise, surprise-not in the AAU. Is this fair?? UGA's president would love to be in the AAU. But, the AAU won't invite UGA. And that's just one SEC institution. Don't think 'Bama or Auburn is interested in AAU?? Think again!!!
It hasn't been talked about on here much, IMO, but every single SEC institution is in the ORAU:
The ORAU is an academic association trying to improve the lives of everyday Americans, IMO. It does this better than the AAU, IMO, although AAU is viewed as having more prestige.
So think about the above post when you claim that "the SEC doesn't care about academics." It isn't true!!!
That's total elitist bs. Every SEC school and alum wants a university the football team can be proud of!
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-10-2024 02:55 AM)TexasCat Wrote: What’s funny about this premise is that by any metric, the SEC schools (and the states they’re located in) do care less about academics. States in the south spend a fraction of the money on higher ed than do states in the Midwest, west coast, and northeast. The acceptance rates are higher, funding is lower, graduation rates are lower, research output is lower (even after adding UT Austin). This is true generally but also specifically, if you compare Big Ten schools to SEC ones.
Additionally, southern states are consistently the least educated in the country. U of Alabama just eliminated liberal arts requirements for their entire university, making it effectively a trade school rather than a university. While not in the SEC, West Virginia no longer offers grad programs in math or any foreign language courses. You simply don’t hear speaking about the academics of their universities with the same pride as their athletics, which you hear not infrequently from Big Ten alumni.
There is just no world where claiming the SEC or the south generally (UNC & UVa not withstanding) care about academics like Big Ten schools (and several ACC & Big 12 schools) do. SEC schools are seen by their own fans & alumni as sports programs that also offer classes sometimes. It’s fine, just own it.
(01-09-2024 01:21 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: I have heard this lie countless times from B1G fans (aka Big Ten) and Big XII fans as well: "the SEC doesn't care about academics." Nothing could be further from the truth, IMO.
To start, there will be five SEC members in the AAU (Vandy, Missouri, Florida, Texas A&M, and Texas this year). Would the SEC like to have more AAU members?? Yes!!!
You guys keep telling me and others," the SEC doesn't care about academics; all they care about is football. The SECU is a sham." That is a bunch of hogwash!! I challenge any of you Big Ten fans or Big XII or ACC fans to check out the SECU for yourselves. See if it really is a sham. https://www.thesecu.com/ check this article on SEC faculty: https://www.thesecu.com/news/collaborati...ticipants/
A lot of SEC universities would love to be AAU, but the AAU won't even give them a sniff!! UGA is a public Ivy, and surprise, surprise-not in the AAU. Is this fair?? UGA's president would love to be in the AAU. But, the AAU won't invite UGA. And that's just one SEC institution. Don't think 'Bama or Auburn is interested in AAU?? Think again!!!
It hasn't been talked about on here much, IMO, but every single SEC institution is in the ORAU:
The ORAU is an academic association trying to improve the lives of everyday Americans, IMO. It does this better than the AAU, IMO, although AAU is viewed as having more prestige.
So think about the above post when you claim that "the SEC doesn't care about academics." It isn't true!!!
What's to own? That the post civil war south has been too rural and poor that schools had to be practical? A school so elite and expensive that no one can go there isn't as great as it sounds.
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In reality, the southeastern states have made education more "democratic." The big state schools in general are less restrictive for admissions. Tuition tends to be lower. Tennessee has free community college. Georgia has the HOPE scholarship providing free tuition for top students. There's been a different philosophy.
Texas isn't as cheap as when I went there, but I remember a student from Michigan telling me her in-state tuition in Michigan was more than out of state tuition in Texas.
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(01-10-2024 01:08 PM)goofus Wrote: US News rankings
18. Vandy (AAU)
28. Florida (AAU)
32. Texas (AAU)
47. Georgia---ahem!!
47. Tex A&M (AAU)
93. Aub----ahem!!!
105. Tenn---ahem!!
124. S. Car---ahem!!!
124. Mizzou (AAU)
124. Oklahoma---ahem!!
159. Kentucky
163. Ole Miss
170. Bama--really USNR??,
178. Ark
185. LSU
216. Miss St
The "ahems" were directed at the AAU. The USNR comment speaks for itself. Tell me again why the UCal system deserves 8 or 9 nine branches in the AAU. Cal- Berk is understandable, as is UCLA. Arguments could be made for UCSD. But if you don't want ag schools in the AAU, then why is UC-Davis in there, whose specialty is ag??!!! The other campuses have benefited from corruption within the AAU, IMO!!
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2024 01:22 PM by DawgNBama.)
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-09-2024 06:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:27 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:17 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:
(01-09-2024 01:07 PM)unalions Wrote:
(01-09-2024 12:57 PM)bullet Wrote: UAB has one of the nation's top medical schools, so yes, they are much closer to AAU than Auburn or Alabama.
UAB has an excellent medical school and hospital. But, no one in the south knows about or cares about AAU status.
A rather bold statement.
I agree that lots of casual fans are unaware of the AAU. We probably overrate it on this board.
But there is some cache (in college sports) that comes with quality academics.
Let's put it this way. Would you rather cheer for a strong football or basketball program that is part of an academically mediocre university or one that is part of a highly respected academic institution?
Sports fans and alumni literally do not care.
If by "sports fans" you mean the "average" college sports fans, who likely couldn't even note even the basic info (enrollment, endowment, acceptance rate, etc.) of the universities affiliated with the team for which they cheer ... I agree with you. Those are the classic "sports nerd" fans who are interested essentially only in the athletics of a university. But there are fans (I'm one) who are interested in (and care about) the ancillary elements associated with the athletic programs we root for.
You seem to be painting with an extremely broad brush. Yes, in general, I agree with you. But there are many exceptions.
I’ve been a sportswriter off and on since the 90s, a former college admissions counselor and financial aid director. I also follow college sports very closely. I’d never heard of AAU until this message board last year. With just 70ish members out of the hundreds and hundreds of schools, it’s just not something most folks even know about. With the focus on research schools, even fewer of those 70 have an elite athletic department.
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2024 01:27 PM by unalions.)
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-10-2024 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:
(01-10-2024 01:08 PM)goofus Wrote: US News rankings
18. Vandy (AAU)
28. Florida (AAU)
32. Texas (AAU)
47. Georgia---ahem!!
47. Tex A&M (AAU)
93. Aub----ahem!!!
105. Tenn---ahem!!
124. S. Car---ahem!!!
124. Mizzou (AAU)
124. Oklahoma---ahem!!
159. Kentucky
163. Ole Miss
170. Bama--really USNR??,
178. Ark
185. LSU
216. Miss St
The "ahems" were directed at the AAU. The USNR comment speaks for itself. Tell me again why the UCal system deserves 8 or 9 nine branches in the AAU. Cal- Berk is understandable, as is UCLA. Arguments could be made for UCSD. But if you don't want ag schools in the AAU, then why is UC-Davis in there, whose specialty is ag??!!! The other campuses have benefited from corruption within the AAU, IMO!!
Its not about ag schools. Ag grants are politically driven, not merit based, so the AAU doesn't count them. Its about graduate research.
As for UGA, their engineering school is miniscule. They were only recently allowed to have more than Agricultural Engineering. The Medical College of Georgia is the state medical school. UGA is one of the top ag schools in the country, along with Cal-Davis and Wisconsin and Florida (all AAU), but again those grants are not done competitively, so it doesn't help. Most research comes from medical schools and engineering schools. Georgia doesn't have much there. If they want more research their biology and chemistry and statistics departments need to be working with MCG and Mercer.
RE: Wanting To Put A Stop To a Narrative-The Truth About The SEC and Academics
(01-10-2024 02:55 AM)TexasCat Wrote: What’s funny about this premise is that by any metric, the SEC schools (and the states they’re located in) do care less about academics. States in the south spend a fraction of the money on higher ed than do states in the Midwest, west coast, and northeast. The acceptance rates are higher, funding is lower, graduation rates are lower, research output is lower (even after adding UT Austin). This is true generally but also specifically, if you compare Big Ten schools to SEC ones.
Additionally, southern states are consistently the least educated in the country. U of Alabama just eliminated liberal arts requirements for their entire university, making it effectively a trade school rather than a university. While not in the SEC, West Virginia no longer offers grad programs in math or any foreign language courses. You simply don’t hear speaking about the academics of their universities with the same pride as their athletics, which you hear not infrequently from Big Ten alumni.
There is just no world where claiming the SEC or the south generally (UNC & UVa not withstanding) care about academics like Big Ten schools (and several ACC & Big 12 schools) do. SEC schools are seen by their own fans & alumni as sports programs that also offer classes sometimes. It’s fine, just own it.
That’s not true. They reduced certain requirements.
From the article:
The proposed core curriculum would maintain the number of credit hours required for written composition but reduce the requirement for intensive writing to three credit hours for some and eliminate the requirement for others.
Students would only have to take a foreign language if they did not take a foreign language in high school.
The proposed curriculum also reduces requirements for credit hours in humanities, literature and fine arts courses and history and social and behavioral sciences courses from 12 to 9 credit hours to graduate.
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(01-10-2024 01:49 PM)bullet Wrote:
(01-10-2024 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:
(01-10-2024 01:08 PM)goofus Wrote: US News rankings
18. Vandy (AAU)
28. Florida (AAU)
32. Texas (AAU)
47. Georgia---ahem!!
47. Tex A&M (AAU)
93. Aub----ahem!!!
105. Tenn---ahem!!
124. S. Car---ahem!!!
124. Mizzou (AAU)
124. Oklahoma---ahem!!
159. Kentucky
163. Ole Miss
170. Bama--really USNR??,
178. Ark
185. LSU
216. Miss St
The "ahems" were directed at the AAU. The USNR comment speaks for itself. Tell me again why the UCal system deserves 8 or 9 nine branches in the AAU. Cal- Berk is understandable, as is UCLA. Arguments could be made for UCSD. But if you don't want ag schools in the AAU, then why is UC-Davis in there, whose specialty is ag??!!! The other campuses have benefited from corruption within the AAU, IMO!!
Its not about ag schools. Ag grants are politically driven, not merit based, so the AAU doesn't count them. Its about graduate research.
As for UGA, their engineering school is miniscule. They were only recently allowed to have more than Agricultural Engineering. The Medical College of Georgia is the state medical school. UGA is one of the top ag schools in the country, along with Cal-Davis and Wisconsin and Florida (all AAU), but again those grants are not done competitively, so it doesn't help. Most research comes from medical schools and engineering schools. Georgia doesn't have much there. If they want more research their biology and chemistry and statistics departments need to be working with MCG and Mercer.
Actually, UGA is working with MCG. I honestly don't know about Mercer.
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(01-10-2024 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:
(01-10-2024 01:08 PM)goofus Wrote: US News rankings
18. Vandy (AAU)
28. Florida (AAU)
32. Texas (AAU)
47. Georgia---ahem!!
47. Tex A&M (AAU)
93. Aub----ahem!!!
105. Tenn---ahem!!
124. S. Car---ahem!!!
124. Mizzou (AAU)
124. Oklahoma---ahem!!
159. Kentucky
163. Ole Miss
170. Bama--really USNR??,
178. Ark
185. LSU
216. Miss St
The "ahems" were directed at the AAU. The USNR comment speaks for itself. Tell me again why the UCal system deserves 8 or 9 nine branches in the AAU. Cal- Berk is understandable, as is UCLA. Arguments could be made for UCSD. But if you don't want ag schools in the AAU, then why is UC-Davis in there, whose specialty is ag??!!! The other campuses have benefited from corruption within the AAU, IMO!!
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