(01-05-2024 11:23 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

Not necessarily. When they added SMU and Cal/ Stanford they weren’t desperate. If they lose four to SEC/ BigTen they are down to 14 and need to add, so the situation is completely different. I’m sure additions will take a lower media pay out but it won’t be the same as SMU took.

As I keep repeating, the ACC is in a completely different situation than the PAC was. The PAC after losing schools to BigTen had no Media deal, the ACC has one until 2036 and is most likely for it to be intact even if they lose four. They also have a GOR meaning those leaving will have to pay an exit fee, the PAC didn’t have an exit fee.

I know many are thinking the ACC will completely fall apart as the PAC did, but that’s not likely to happen. Unless you have an invite toSEC or BigTen there really isn’t enough to make an ACC school to pay an exit fee to join Big12.

More likely outcome the BigTen takes FSU/ UM and SEC takes UNC/ UVA

lol... no, they weren't. It was Cal and Stanford that were desperate.

The ACC didn't want any part of any of them until after the heavy hitters started putting pressure on the ACC schools.

(01-05-2024 01:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 11:23 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

Not necessarily. When they added SMU and Cal/ Stanford they weren’t desperate. If they lose four to SEC/ BigTen they are down to 14 and need to add, so the situation is completely different. I’m sure additions will take a lower media pay out but it won’t be the same as SMU took.

As I keep repeating, the ACC is in a completely different situation than the PAC was. The PAC after losing schools to BigTen had no Media deal, the ACC has one until 2036 and is most likely for it to be intact even if they lose four. They also have a GOR meaning those leaving will have to pay an exit fee, the PAC didn’t have an exit fee.

I know many are thinking the ACC will completely fall apart as the PAC did, but that’s not likely to happen. Unless you have an invite toSEC or BigTen there really isn’t enough to make an ACC school to pay an exit fee to join Big12.

More likely outcome the BigTen takes FSU/ UM and SEC takes UNC/ UVA

lol... no, they weren't. It was Cal and Stanford that were desperate.

The ACC didn't want any part of any of them until after the heavy hitters started putting pressure on the ACC schools.

Guess you agree with what I stated then.

Memphis to the sunbelt

(01-05-2024 01:22 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 01:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 11:23 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

Not necessarily. When they added SMU and Cal/ Stanford they weren’t desperate. If they lose four to SEC/ BigTen they are down to 14 and need to add, so the situation is completely different. I’m sure additions will take a lower media pay out but it won’t be the same as SMU took.

As I keep repeating, the ACC is in a completely different situation than the PAC was. The PAC after losing schools to BigTen had no Media deal, the ACC has one until 2036 and is most likely for it to be intact even if they lose four. They also have a GOR meaning those leaving will have to pay an exit fee, the PAC didn’t have an exit fee.

I know many are thinking the ACC will completely fall apart as the PAC did, but that’s not likely to happen. Unless you have an invite toSEC or BigTen there really isn’t enough to make an ACC school to pay an exit fee to join Big12.

More likely outcome the BigTen takes FSU/ UM and SEC takes UNC/ UVA

lol... no, they weren't. It was Cal and Stanford that were desperate.

The ACC didn't want any part of any of them until after the heavy hitters started putting pressure on the ACC schools.

Guess you agree with what I stated then.

Yes, I agreed. And then elaborated a bit.

(01-05-2024 12:38 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:23 AM)b2b Wrote:  wtf is "cfb select"?

Why do people always attack the source when they don't like the news?

It's obviously somebody's opinion, which is what everything online, outside of statistics, happens to be.

b/c some people are too stupid to recognize that.

So we need a hall monitor? That's a thankless task.

(01-05-2024 01:37 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Memphis to the sunbelt

I see the loss didn't send you into a depression.

(01-05-2024 02:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 01:37 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Memphis to the sunbelt

I see the loss didn't send you into a depression.

I just come back stronger after each crushing defeat

(01-05-2024 01:37 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Memphis to the sunbelt

If they would have us.

(01-05-2024 11:23 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

Not necessarily. When they added SMU and Cal/ Stanford they weren’t desperate. If they lose four to SEC/ BigTen they are down to 14 and need to add, so the situation is completely different. I’m sure additions will take a lower media pay out but it won’t be the same as SMU took.

As I keep repeating, the ACC is in a completely different situation than the PAC was. The PAC after losing schools to BigTen had no Media deal, the ACC has one until 2036 and is most likely for it to be intact even if they lose four. They also have a GOR meaning those leaving will have to pay an exit fee, the PAC didn’t have an exit fee.

I know many are thinking the ACC will completely fall apart as the PAC did, but that’s not likely to happen. Unless you have an invite toSEC or BigTen there really isn’t enough to make an ACC school to pay an exit fee to join Big12.

More likely outcome the BigTen takes FSU/ UM and SEC takes UNC/ UVA

Completely agree, the ACC situation is greatly different than PAC. As you mentioned there are exit fees & the TV $ are guaranteed to basically be equal to B12 current rates until 2036. There is no need for a team to even consider paying exit fees & moving from ACC to B12. The only moves that make financial sense are to the B1G or SEC. I think ACC eventually loses 5-6. In addition to your 4 I think Stanford eventually gets to B1G. If VA or UNC also go to B1G, I think SEC would take either NCST or VT to add the new state to the SEC network distribution model. The ACC will add teams when required to keep the TV$ coming in & new states for the ACCN will likely be a consideration, just like it will with the B1G & SEC adds.

(01-05-2024 11:22 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  Any conference that would have my school as a member is not good enough for us to be a member of.

Nice approach Groucho.

(01-05-2024 05:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 10:19 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Give it a rest guys

Why? As long as the ACC turmoil is in the news, it is going to be on the mind of every fan of every school that thinks it has a chance to move up.

And practically all of those schools are in the AAC.

Keep dreaming. By the time the ACC is decimated enough to consider adding American schools, it's a conference that has lost its six or seven biggest members and all of its media appeal, just like the PAC. You know that.

Memphis would be joining a conference consisting of Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, Pitt, Georgia Tech, South Florida, Cal, Stanford, Louisville, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Boston College, Army and Navy.

The BIG10, SEC, and BIG12 are going to pick that carcass clean. There will be a P3 and a G7. Still as excited?

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

The top 7 G5 schools would rather be with those ACC leftovers than the other G5s though.

(01-05-2024 02:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:38 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:23 AM)b2b Wrote:  wtf is "cfb select"?

Why do people always attack the source when they don't like the news?

It's obviously somebody's opinion, which is what everything online, outside of statistics, happens to be.

b/c some people are too stupid to recognize that.

So we need a hall monitor? That's a thankless task.

I'm willing to do it for the greater good of this board.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

I doubt they're raided that badly, but yes it will be a greatly diminished conference. No one wants Duke at all. You can definitely add them back to the seven above. Georgia Tech also. It's possible that Virginia Tech and Louisville find a life raft out, but it's far from guaranteed. They aren't too appealing, even to the BIG12.

(01-05-2024 06:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

The top 7 G5 schools would rather be with those ACC leftovers than the other G5s though.

What's left on that list is G7, like Oregon State and Washington State. They're no longer part of the power structure. It's over for them.

(01-05-2024 06:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

The top 7 G5 schools would rather be with those ACC leftovers than the other G5s though.

What's left on that list is G7, like Oregon State and Washington State. They're no longer part of the power structure. It's over for them.

Exactly. The ACC leftovers adding the rest of the leftovers is a decent conference that would still be able to claim a 4th auto bid.

West
Stanford/Cal/WSU/OSU/SDST

South
SMU/Tulane/GT/Memphis/USF/UAB

East
BC/Pitt/Syracuse/UCONN/Duke/Wake

(01-05-2024 06:49 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

The top 7 G5 schools would rather be with those ACC leftovers than the other G5s though.

What's left on that list is G7, like Oregon State and Washington State. They're no longer part of the power structure. It's over for them.

Exactly. The ACC leftovers adding the rest of the leftovers is a decent conference that would still be able to claim a 4th auto bid.

West
Stanford/Cal/WSU/OSU/SDST

South
SMU/Tulane/GT/Memphis/USF/UAB

East
BC/Pitt/Syracuse/UCONN/Duke/Wake

No real need to add SDSU. 16 schools work and there can be 4 divisions:
East - BC/Pitt/Syracuse/UConn
South - Duke/Wake/USF/GT
Central - SMU/Tulane/Memphis/UAB
West - Stanford/Cal/WSU/OSU

(01-05-2024 02:55 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 01:37 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Memphis to the sunbelt

I see the loss didn't send you into a depression.

I just come back stronger after each crushing defeat

You definitely have experience, lol. But the defining vision I have of Tulsa is 80-40, slightly tempered by Antonio Anderson going full court in a few seconds for the win.

(01-05-2024 06:49 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

If the ACC loses 4 teams to the SEC/B1G(say FSU, UNC, UVA, and Clemson), maybe they can stick together. If they lose 6(maybe Miami and Duke/GT/VT) then the flood gates are open and the Big 12 will add schools they want....Louisville is gone, the 2 remaining from Duke/VT/GT are gone, Nc State is gone.

Then you are left with
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Stanford
Cal
SMU

In the revenue sports, that collection of teams is not any better than the top 7 G5 programs.

The top 7 G5 schools would rather be with those ACC leftovers than the other G5s though.

What's left on that list is G7, like Oregon State and Washington State. They're no longer part of the power structure. It's over for them.

Exactly. The ACC leftovers adding the rest of the leftovers is a decent conference that would still be able to claim a 4th auto bid.

West
Stanford/Cal/WSU/OSU/SDST

South
SMU/Tulane/GT/Memphis/USF/UAB

East
BC/Pitt/Syracuse/UCONN/Duke/Wake

We'll, I don't see why the ACC would want Oregon State, Washington State, UAB, San Diego State, and UConn. Not to offend anyone here personally, but other than the San Diego market, there's no value in that, and you're adding a ton of geography. Also remember that the leftovers will mostly be highly 'academically focused' institutions in the East, so that will affect their decisions concerning who they invite.

OSU and WSU likely build their own thing out West. Stanford and Cal are running from them. They aren't going to help them join the ACC.

(01-05-2024 11:26 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 10:30 AM)Agust Wrote:  The ACC can lose up to 4 or 6 before they start to feel the pressure to add more.

and after that it is going to be pay to play since smu set the standard.

will anyone of the teams mentioned be willing to give up their $$$ to have a cool ACC patch on their jersey?

You do realize that SMU waived the media deal money but they still will get CFP, ACC network money all of that amounts to more than SMU made in AAC total payments

Maybe not.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cfp-may...30576.html