(12-31-2023 10:14 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 08:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 01:48 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yeah, if we just picked the best 4 teams regardless of "merit", it would be Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and then have Michigan and Washington play a game on December 9 to settle the last spot.

Based on what? That they are SEC teams next year? If there was going to be a play-in game, it would involve Alabama and Florida State. Michigan and Washington are undefeated. The four best conference champions are in the playoffs. A 63-3 win over the Florida State Junior Varsity is not that impressive. Georgia spent their energy on preparing for the game and running up the score. Florida State spent their energy on complaining about their CFP ranking and leaving the ACC. They were the 5th ranked team in the CFP and they were 23.5-point underdogs to the 6th ranked team in the CFP rankings. Everybody saw this blowout coming.

Based on sheer intuitive common sense? Gut feeling? I don't know what to call it, but some things IMO are pretty obvious.

I mean, to me it is clear that compared to say the other teams, Georgia and Alabama have more talent, and better coaching. So what makes anyone think Washington can beat them?

BTW, I agree Georgia's win yesterday against the FSU JV proves nothing. I do think that it tells us *something*, in that if FSU had had all their starters and Georgia had played their JV team, the score probably would have been far, far closer. Competitive. But it's not like Georgia needed that game to prove anything. They've won back to back national titles, and all their games this season save for a razor-close loss to Alabama. They hadn't lost a game in two years, since they lost to ... Alabama at the end of 2021.

So with Georgia, a defensible rule of thumb is .. "are they playing Alabama? No? Then they are probably good to win today".

That said, my gut tells me Michigan is winning the national title. So guts are funny things.

What makes anyone think that Washington could beat Oregon? Twice? Oregon had better talent. You know what Washington had? A great coach and a great QB. That can win a lot of games for you. Michigan has beaten one good team and one pretty good team this year. They might be a great team, or they might just be a pretty good team that played a couple of good games at the right time. We already know that Washington is great, and we know that Texas and Alabama are very good but flawed.

If the Washington Huskies played UGA (a matchup I'd love to see anyway!! Dawgs vs Dawgs!!), I'm pretty sure that UGA would win pretty easily, seeing how well we did vs FSU, but I could be wrong, and the Huskies might actually play some inspired ball vs the Dawgs. Regardless, if Washington thinks they're going to steamroll Texas, they have another thing coming, IMO, and it isn't going to be pretty. If the Huskies somehow manage to slip past the 'Horns, 'Bama will definitely be playing some very inspired ball. I don"t think Michigan has what it takes to get past 'Bama, and Saban is determined to win one more NC before he hangs up his headset for good. My best description of Saban is this: think of a football version of now retired Duke basketball Coach K. Saban is to football what Coach K was to basketball, IMO, and I can't stand 'Bama!!!

(12-31-2023 12:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  playoff's are not scam?

i not talking about FSU, i'm talking playoff's

there even scam in the NFL
did you see Roger Goodell throw the flag on 2pt conversion

no they aren't, and with 12 teams it'll even be better.

I knew something like this was gonna happen as soon as everyone on the Seminoles kept opting out of the game. So really, the CFP shouldn't really be bragging about their decision.

That all those Seminoles opted out shows how weak minded the team was.

Even so, it was on the Seminoles to put up a fight and show they had legitimate depth. They failed miserably. So, they have to shut up.

I still have to know: what did the score of this game have to be for FSU to get into the playoff? What did it have to be for Georgia?

And if those are silly asks, then what was the ****ing point of this game?

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I still have to know: what did the score of this game have to be for FSU to get into the playoff? What did it have to be for Georgia?

And if those are silly asks, then what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Next Question?

(01-01-2024 12:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I still have to know: what did the score of this game have to be for FSU to get into the playoff? What did it have to be for Georgia?

And if those are silly asks, then what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Next Question?

Ikr? That it was a bad game doesn’t prove anything. I love that it was such a dog and knowing it has no effect on their payouts.

(12-30-2023 06:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I appreciate what Kirby smart has done here.

He understood that despite all the talk of opt outs and transfers, if somehow fsu had won this game they would have claimed a fake national championship and it would just be a big embarrassment for the SEC and the national championship so even though it was probably distasteful to him at a certain level he has come out and done what had to be done.

I for one enjoyed it. Early in the season my Eagles played FSU. They were up on us 28-0 and kicked an onside kick. They got what they deserved. I feel like the CFP gave them false hope. Also for all the opt outs whether they’ll be back at FSU, in the portal, or in the draft I hope people took notice and realized they ran when the going got tough.

(01-01-2024 12:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I still have to know: what did the score of this game have to be for FSU to get into the playoff? What did it have to be for Georgia?

And if those are silly asks, then what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Next Question?

Yes, the Orange Bowl has been a nice little bonanza for the SEC the past 10 years.

The Orange Bowl deal pays $27.5 million to either the SEC or B1G participant when not a playoff game, and through happenstance, the SEC has played in the game 5 times under those circumstances. That's a cool chunk of change for the conference.

(12-30-2023 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:09 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia is missing about as many players as FSU

I'm still surprised you're on that train.

Georgia with missing players just went from being an NFL-lite team to an above average college team.

FSU has no chance in this game with a 3rd string QB and Georgia ramming the ball down their throats.

And they would've faded the same way in the playoffs.

Hey, I was buying the hype about FSU missing loads of guys, amd no question they are.

But then i saw the list of UGA guys out, and went whoa. It is a long list.

Quantity, but not quality. Georgia oversigns, then guys that are losing their scholarship enter the portal. They are nearly at full strength.

Not saying that never happens at other places, but the situation at FSU this year is very different. This is NOT the FSU that won 13 games. They lost enough talent to turn Vanderbilt into an SEC contender.

Mark, recruits and players hate uncertainty. What part of the word uncertain fails to define FSU's current position? ACC future? Pretty damned uncertain? Big 10 future? Uncertain. SEC future? Uncertain. Ability to keep up with the Big 10 and SEC? Uncertain. Ability to buy their way out of the GOR or negotiate it down? Uncertain.

All of this is the fallout from their decision to say adios to the ACC before they even were certain they could. And it's contagious. It has hurt Clemson as well, though they've tried their best not to draw attention to it. Clemson barely beat Kentucky! Let that sink in. FSU will be back when they have all the answers to the questions I just raised. Right now, the kids they recruit want to go to a known quantity. Yes, they have a top 10 recruiting class, but how much of that will stick if they are still in a muddle next year?

This is why most who want to leave line up their ducks and drop the bomb. This is death by a 1000 cuts for the Noles and the ACC.

I don't think those FSU players opted-out to prepare for the NFL draft because the school is in the ACC. I think they opted-out because there was no point in risking injury for a meaningless game when they stand to make tens of millions of dollars on their rookie NFL contract.

But the rest of your comment stands - FSU made a huge mistake in how they handled their ACC situation. Airing dirty laundry in public rarely works out - not even for the one complaining about it.

(01-01-2024 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I still have to know: what did the score of this game have to be for FSU to get into the playoff? What did it have to be for Georgia?

And if those are silly asks, then what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Next Question?

Yes, the Orange Bowl has been a nice little bonanza for the SEC the past 10 years.

The Orange Bowl deal pays $27.5 million to either the SEC or B1G participant when not a playoff game, and through happenstance, the SEC has played in the game 5 times under those circumstances. That's a cool chunk of change for the conference.

ACC never got to face Notre Dame in that game so they never got to clear that 40 million dollars once.

(01-03-2024 04:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ...what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Yes, the Orange Bowl has been a nice little bonanza for the SEC the past 10 years.

The Orange Bowl deal pays $27.5 million to either the SEC or B1G participant when not a playoff game, and through happenstance, the SEC has played in the game 5 times under those circumstances. That's a cool chunk of change for the conference.

ACC never got to face Notre Dame in that game so they never got to clear that 40 million dollars once.

Perhaps Swofford's worst negotiation - worse, even, than the bad ESPN T1 contract.
The way the contract was written, it was virtually impossible for ND to ever play in the Orange Bowl.

Worse yet, he didn't have to give up so much... if the ACC had simply kept the same $40M as the other 4 power conferences, the OB could still pay the visitor $15M. The next highest-paying bowl, outside of the $40M contract bowls, can't touch that (the Citrus pays $8M -- barely half of $15M!)

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...wl+payouts

(01-03-2024 06:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 04:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 12:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ...what was the ****ing point of this game?

To collect the Orange Bowl payout and divide those proceeds with conference mates.

Yes, the Orange Bowl has been a nice little bonanza for the SEC the past 10 years.

The Orange Bowl deal pays $27.5 million to either the SEC or B1G participant when not a playoff game, and through happenstance, the SEC has played in the game 5 times under those circumstances. That's a cool chunk of change for the conference.

ACC never got to face Notre Dame in that game so they never got to clear that 40 million dollars once.

Perhaps Swofford's worst negotiation - worse, even, than the bad ESPN T1 contract.
The way the contract was written, it was virtually impossible for ND to ever play in the Orange Bowl.

Worse yet, he didn't have to give up so much... if the ACC had simply kept the same $40M as the other 4 power conferences, the OB could still pay the visitor $15M. The next highest-paying bowl, outside of the $40M contract bowls, can't touch that (the Citrus pays $8M -- barely half of $15M!)

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...wl+payouts

problem for the ACC at that point they were as low as they ever were- before Clemson took off and even at the point of the negotiation before Winston/FSU. I'm sure ESPN didn't want that. And only way to get it where they'd play SEC/Big Ten was to offer the bigger money.

wow Orange Bowl pulled over 10 million viewers on average. Highest non-CFB edition of the game since 2017.

(01-03-2024 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow Orange Bowl pulled over 10 million viewers on average. Highest non-CFB edition of the game since 2017.

Damn, I was hoping that the ratings would have taught ESPN a lesson. Guess ya'll could not look away from the train wreck.

(01-03-2024 06:43 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow Orange Bowl pulled over 10 million viewers on average. Highest non-CFB edition of the game since 2017.

Damn, I was hoping that the ratings would have taught ESPN a lesson. Guess ya'll could not look away from the train wreck.

I can relate. I have only watched one playoff game. Georgia-TCU.