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(12-29-2023 09:32 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think the goal is to not get a bye. That way, we get an easier game in the first one and can win a tourney game.

This is a joke right? We surely aren’t sandbagging hoping to get a lower seed in the tournament.

(12-29-2023 09:32 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think the goal is to not get a bye. That way, we get an easier game in the first one and can win a tourney game.

This has to be parody

Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

(12-29-2023 11:48 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 09:32 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think the goal is to not get a bye. That way, we get an easier game in the first one and can win a tourney game.

This is a joke right? We surely aren’t sandbagging hoping to get a lower seed in the tournament.

bruh

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Yeah thanks for doing that research. There was the one season w Freeman and company that went like 6-2. And then the championship team may have gone like 5-2. Those are educated guesses. So that’s roughly 11-4. Take away those two seasons and ODU is 8-26 on a neutral floor. Holy crap is that bad. That right there is all the evidence you need.

(12-29-2023 06:15 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Yeah thanks for doing that research. There was the one season w Freeman and company that went like 6-2. And then the championship team may have gone like 5-2. Those are educated guesses. So that’s roughly 11-4. Take away those two seasons and ODU is 8-26 on a neutral floor. Holy crap is that bad. That right there is all the evidence you need.

I’ve had discussions with several fans over the last few years where it was determined the one CUSA championship wasn’t worth it because it gave Wood reason to keep JJ around five+ more years to destroy the program.

(12-29-2023 07:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:15 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Yeah thanks for doing that research. There was the one season w Freeman and company that went like 6-2. And then the championship team may have gone like 5-2. Those are educated guesses. So that’s roughly 11-4. Take away those two seasons and ODU is 8-26 on a neutral floor. Holy crap is that bad. That right there is all the evidence you need.

I’ve had discussions with several fans over the last few years where it was determined the one CUSA championship wasn’t worth it because it gave Wood reason to keep JJ around five+ more years to destroy the program.

Monarx it had to be the lack of $$$$ for not making a change. Building stadiums that are half empty, plus constant upgrades and now a new baseball stadium cost a lot of dough. I mean the AD can count up the $$$ he needs for all these things, surely he can count up the W&L’s on the ledger sheet.

Forward Julian Margrave list as a probable starter tonight in place of guard Samuel Tabe. This gives SA their biggest starting lineup.

Let’s hope we can find some way to get them in foul trouble early.

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

(12-30-2023 09:16 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Let’s hope we can find some way to get them in foul trouble early.

They are a very guard oriented team. They have a slightly bigger team (more number of bodies), but they don't really rebound well. Musgrave is a decent player for them. Tabe is one of their best rebounders (by far the best offensive rebounder).

(12-27-2023 02:57 PM)bigblue78 Wrote:  Saturday 7:00 @Chartway: South Alabama (7-5). ESPN+

Results to date: Mobile (74-83); Buffalo (70-56); Alabama (46-102); Nicholls (97-102); Denver (82-75); SIUE (86-74); Lynn (74-62); Maryland (55-68); Jacksonville State (52-70); Mercer (83-62); Spring Hill (91-74); Alabama A&M (83-67).

Last game: After a 7-11 start, South Alabama went on an 11-0 run and led 42-38 @HT. SA opened the second half 14-5 to extend the lead and coasted to an 83-67 victory. The Jaguars had 5 players with 10+ pts for the 3rd straight game; Tyrell Jones had 18 pts (6-16 FG, 4-10 3s, 2-2 FT), Isaah Gaiter (4-12 FG, 0-4 3s, 5-6 FT, Samuel Tabe (4-12 FG, 5-11 FT) and Marcus Millender (2-5 FG, 0-2 3s, 9-10 FT) and 13 each and Elijah Ormiston added 10 (4-7 FG, 2-2 FT). S Alabama had 21 second chance pts off 16 ORBs.

Stats: 74.4 pts (vs 74.6); .436 FG (.314 3s); .737 FT; -4.2 RB; A/TO= 1.02

Starters (Alabama A&M)
F Ethan Kizer (6-5 195 Fr). 13.6 min.; .250 FG (7-31 3s); .333 FT; 1.6 RB; 2.9 pts (3 starts)
F Thomas Howell (6-8 230 Jr). 24.2 min.; .470 FG (3-15 3s); .875 FT; 5.8 RB; 6.6 pts
G Samuel Tabe (6-5 210 Sr). 19.1 min.; .517 FG (0-2 3s); .606 FT; 4.3 RB; 9.1 pts (1 start)
G Isiah Gaiter (6-3 195 Sr). 34.3 min.; .493 FG (11-30 3s); .824 FT; 4.3 RB; 1.2 steals; 15.4 pts
G Tyrell Jones (6-2 190 Sr). 27.0 min.; .388 FG (10-38 3s); .770 FT; 3.7 RB; 9.9 pts

Bench
G Marcus Millender (5-11 180 Fr). 28.7 min.; .423 FG (10-24 3s); .703 FT; 3.1 RB; 3.8 assists; 1.3 steals; 10.3 pts
F Elijah Ormiston (6-8 220 Jr). 9.6 min.; .464 FG (3-11 3s); .750 FT; 1.9 RB; 3.6 pts

Picked 6th pre-season Sun Belf behind 2nd team Tyrell Jones. Shoot 22.5 3s/game…snipers are Kizer (31/36 FG attempts are 3s) and Margrave (49/70). Team has lacked depth the last 3 games but I couldn’t find any injury info.

MIA (status uncertain)
G Maxwell Land (6-4 195 Jr). 31.0 min.; .397 FG (9-37 3s); .769 FT; 3.4 RB; 10.1 pts. Started first 9 games. DNP last 2 games.
F Julian Margrave (6-10 210 So). 27.8 min.; .429 FG (19-49 3s); 4.1 RB; 9.9 pts. Played 8 games including 7 consecutive starts but DNP vs Alabama A&M.
F Judah Brown (6-6 225 Sr). 27.3 min.; .370 FG (7-20 3s); .700 FT; 2.8 RB; 8.5 pts. Started first 4 games but hasn’t played since.
F Marshall Kearing (6-9 235 Sr). 11.5 min.; .486 FG (6-14 3s); .333 FT; 2.8 RB; 4.2 pts. Played 10 games but DNP vs A&M.

They put Tyrell Jones as 2nd team? What kind of nonsense is this?

Maxwell Land- out of the season
Julian Margrave- would assume he plays
Judah Brown- would assume hes out
Marshall Kearing- no idea

Based on the line of -4.5, I would assume that vegas believes there are some guys out.

(12-30-2023 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

(12-30-2023 10:51 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

(12-30-2023 10:25 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 09:16 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Let’s hope we can find some way to get them in foul trouble early.

They are a very guard oriented team. They have a slightly bigger team (more number of bodies), but they don't really rebound well. Musgrave is a decent player for them. Tabe is one of their best rebounders (by far the best offensive rebounder).

They play an offense that gives us trouble...bigs that shoot 3s (Margrave shoots more 3s than 2s and Kizer shoots exclusively from 3) while their guards attack the paint (face it, none of our guards are good on-ball defenders - except Wade but we can't afford to play him away from the basket)

BTW Margrave was listed as a probable starter vs A&M and DNP. I've scanned their game notes and game recaps without finding any mention as to why players miss PT.

Not much need to do a deep dive into the minutia in an attempt to determine if ODU has been good or not. It's plain to see from watching the games in real time over the years (recently) that they've been very subpar and are ruining what was formerly a strong mid-major basketball reputation for ODU.

(12-30-2023 12:03 PM)bigblue78 Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:25 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 09:16 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Let’s hope we can find some way to get them in foul trouble early.

They are a very guard oriented team. They have a slightly bigger team (more number of bodies), but they don't really rebound well. Musgrave is a decent player for them. Tabe is one of their best rebounders (by far the best offensive rebounder).

They play an offense that gives us trouble...bigs that shoot 3s (Margrave shoots more 3s than 2s and Kizer shoots exclusively from 3) while their guards attack the paint (face it, none of our guards are good on-ball defenders - except Wade but we can't afford to play him away from the basket)

BTW Margrave was listed as a probable starter vs A&M and DNP. I've scanned their game notes and game recaps without finding any mention as to why players miss PT.

Looking at pre-season teams they have played, it becomes obvious that ODU should win by 15 points. Just remember, it is a home game.

(12-30-2023 11:51 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:51 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Keep in mind, there are two byes to be had in these massive conferences now. Top 4 get a double bye. 5-8 get 1 bye. It hasn’t really mattered which bye we get cause we lose the first game we play either way. We’ve lost the first game after the single bye quite often. Either way you look at it, we’ve had a miserable record on neutral courts under JJ. That’s an ugly statistic but I don’t feel like doing the research to figure out what that record is. I just know it’s bad.

19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:51 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:51 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 04:13 PM)757ODU Wrote:  19-30 on neutral court. We most certainly have not been built for tournament play. Even the conference tournament we won we needed a prayer from Caver to escape the first round.

Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.