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RE: Bury 2023, moving on to 2024
If anyone doubts how good of a man and coach C.C. is, this is from Kalen DeBoer.

https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/174367...71721?s=20
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(01-06-2024 09:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If anyone doubts how good of a man and coach C.C. is, this is from Kalen DeBoer.

https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/174367...71721?s=20

Creighton is a tremendous man who assumed a "dead end" job at EMU and performed very well. I would like him to retire at EMU and have a statue outside the stadium.

Nevertheless, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, his contract terms are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. When your team is the WORST product since your first two in the last ten years and you get an auto-extension, I see a problem. Just me.
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RE: Bury 2023, moving on to 2024
This seems like a good place to discuss this, so sorry if it hijacks an old thread:

Looking at the performance bonuses in FBS this year. Jason Candle got @ $300K for his season at Toledo.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...157432007/

MAC Teams:

Toledo: Jason Candle
►$75,000: Sixth regular season win
►$20,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$60,000: Seventh regular season win
►$130,000: Eighth regular season win
►$25,000: Win Mid-American Conference division title
►$15,000: Play in MAC championship game
►One-year contract extension and $60,000 bonus this season: Ninth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through thru Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season is $1,125,000, with $900,000 guaranteed.)
►$20,000: MAC coach of the year

Ohio: Tim Albin
►One-year contract extension and $5,000 bonus this season: Eighth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $700,000, with $300,000 guaranteed.)
►$5,000: Ninth regular season win
►$30,150: Win bowl game

Northern Illinois: Thomas Hammock
►$15,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$20,000: Win non-CFP bowl game
►One-year contract extension: Win any bowl game (Agreement now set to run through June, 30, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $760,549, with $317,775 guaranteed.)

Miami (Ohio): Chuck Martin
►$23,973: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$23,973: Play in Mid-American Conference championship game

Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton
►One-year contract extension; (Agreement set to run through Dec. 31, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be at least $775,000, with $725,000 guaranteed.)
►$10,000 raise, beginning next season;
►$25,000 bonus this season: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game

Bowling Green: Scot Loeffler
►$25,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$7,500: Fifth win over Mid-American Conference opponent
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(01-09-2024 11:49 AM)Block_E Wrote:  This seems like a good place to discuss this, so sorry if it hijacks an old thread:

Looking at the performance bonuses in FBS this year. Jason Candle got @ $300K for his season at Toledo.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...157432007/

MAC Teams:

Toledo: Jason Candle
►$75,000: Sixth regular season win
►$20,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$60,000: Seventh regular season win
►$130,000: Eighth regular season win
►$25,000: Win Mid-American Conference division title
►$15,000: Play in MAC championship game
►One-year contract extension and $60,000 bonus this season: Ninth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through thru Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season is $1,125,000, with $900,000 guaranteed.)
►$20,000: MAC coach of the year

Ohio: Tim Albin
►One-year contract extension and $5,000 bonus this season: Eighth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $700,000, with $300,000 guaranteed.)
►$5,000: Ninth regular season win
►$30,150: Win bowl game

Northern Illinois: Thomas Hammock
►$15,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$20,000: Win non-CFP bowl game
►One-year contract extension: Win any bowl game (Agreement now set to run through June, 30, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $760,549, with $317,775 guaranteed.)

Miami (Ohio): Chuck Martin
►$23,973: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$23,973: Play in Mid-American Conference championship game

Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton
►One-year contract extension; (Agreement set to run through Dec. 31, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be at least $775,000, with $725,000 guaranteed.)
►$10,000 raise, beginning next season;
►$25,000 bonus this season: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game

Bowling Green: Scot Loeffler
►$25,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$7,500: Fifth win over Mid-American Conference opponent

Now I ask the distinguished members of this forum, do you see where C.C.'s contract parallels that of many other MAC coaches?

Do you thinks agents use the same template for negotiating these contracts? Hint we've seen this in Big Three hourly employee contracts going back many generations. These contracts aren't some crazy idea a rookie AD dreamt up.

Do you think there is a strategic purpose for adding years to an employment contract? It increases the buyout amount if the coach leaves early. This seems obvious in the case of Candle. Think TOL is trying for golden handcuffs.
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(01-09-2024 12:40 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 11:49 AM)Block_E Wrote:  This seems like a good place to discuss this, so sorry if it hijacks an old thread:

Looking at the performance bonuses in FBS this year. Jason Candle got @ $300K for his season at Toledo.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...157432007/

MAC Teams:

Toledo: Jason Candle
►$75,000: Sixth regular season win
►$20,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$60,000: Seventh regular season win
►$130,000: Eighth regular season win
►$25,000: Win Mid-American Conference division title
►$15,000: Play in MAC championship game
►One-year contract extension and $60,000 bonus this season: Ninth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through thru Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season is $1,125,000, with $900,000 guaranteed.)
►$20,000: MAC coach of the year

Ohio: Tim Albin
►One-year contract extension and $5,000 bonus this season: Eighth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $700,000, with $300,000 guaranteed.)
►$5,000: Ninth regular season win
►$30,150: Win bowl game

Northern Illinois: Thomas Hammock
►$15,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$20,000: Win non-CFP bowl game
►One-year contract extension: Win any bowl game (Agreement now set to run through June, 30, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $760,549, with $317,775 guaranteed.)

Miami (Ohio): Chuck Martin
►$23,973: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$23,973: Play in Mid-American Conference championship game

Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton
►One-year contract extension; (Agreement set to run through Dec. 31, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be at least $775,000, with $725,000 guaranteed.)
►$10,000 raise, beginning next season;
►$25,000 bonus this season: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game

Bowling Green: Scot Loeffler
►$25,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$7,500: Fifth win over Mid-American Conference opponent

Now I ask the distinguished members of this forum, do you see where C.C.'s contract parallels that of many other MAC coaches?

Do you thinks agents use the same template for negotiating these contracts? Hint we've seen this in Big Three hourly employee contracts going back many generations. These contracts aren't some crazy idea a rookie AD dreamt up.

Do you think there is a strategic purpose for adding years to an employment contract? It increases the buyout amount if the coach leaves early. This seems obvious in the case of Candle. Think TOL is trying for golden handcuffs.

I see bonus money for bowl games, but I see only ONE auto extension for simply going to a bowl game. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

Cherry pick contracts all you want, but ALL of the aforementioned contracts belong to coaches whose teams had winning records in the MAC this year, sans one. Guess which one please?

"Golden handcuffs"? That is a figment of a MAC AD's imagination. I remember when Buffalo "locked up" Nate Oats in 2019 through 2024 with Big MAC money. THIRTEEN freaking days later Alabama came calling and bought out that chump change contract with SEC $$$. The handcuffs were made of MAC paper.
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(01-09-2024 09:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 12:40 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 11:49 AM)Block_E Wrote:  This seems like a good place to discuss this, so sorry if it hijacks an old thread:

Looking at the performance bonuses in FBS this year. Jason Candle got @ $300K for his season at Toledo.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...157432007/

MAC Teams:

Toledo: Jason Candle
►$75,000: Sixth regular season win
►$20,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$60,000: Seventh regular season win
►$130,000: Eighth regular season win
►$25,000: Win Mid-American Conference division title
►$15,000: Play in MAC championship game
►One-year contract extension and $60,000 bonus this season: Ninth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through thru Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season is $1,125,000, with $900,000 guaranteed.)
►$20,000: MAC coach of the year

Ohio: Tim Albin
►One-year contract extension and $5,000 bonus this season: Eighth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $700,000, with $300,000 guaranteed.)
►$5,000: Ninth regular season win
►$30,150: Win bowl game

Northern Illinois: Thomas Hammock
►$15,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$20,000: Win non-CFP bowl game
►One-year contract extension: Win any bowl game (Agreement now set to run through June, 30, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $760,549, with $317,775 guaranteed.)

Miami (Ohio): Chuck Martin
►$23,973: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$23,973: Play in Mid-American Conference championship game

Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton
►One-year contract extension; (Agreement set to run through Dec. 31, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be at least $775,000, with $725,000 guaranteed.)
►$10,000 raise, beginning next season;
►$25,000 bonus this season: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game

Bowling Green: Scot Loeffler
►$25,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$7,500: Fifth win over Mid-American Conference opponent

Now I ask the distinguished members of this forum, do you see where C.C.'s contract parallels that of many other MAC coaches?

Do you thinks agents use the same template for negotiating these contracts? Hint we've seen this in Big Three hourly employee contracts going back many generations. These contracts aren't some crazy idea a rookie AD dreamt up.

Do you think there is a strategic purpose for adding years to an employment contract? It increases the buyout amount if the coach leaves early. This seems obvious in the case of Candle. Think TOL is trying for golden handcuffs.

I see bonus money for bowl games, but I see only ONE auto extension for simply going to a bowl game. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

Cherry pick contracts all you want, but ALL of the aforementioned contracts belong to coaches whose teams had winning records in the MAC this year, sans one. Guess which one please?

"Golden handcuffs"? That is a figment of a MAC AD's imagination. I remember when Buffalo "locked up" Nate Oats in 2019 through 2024 with Big MAC money. THIRTEEN freaking days later Alabama came calling and bought out that chump change contract with SEC $$$. The handcuffs were made of MAC paper.

You are technically correct by defining the parameters the way you did. That said, FOUR of six earned an extra year.

The contracts seem more similar than dissimilar. All of these bonus provisions weren't done say 15 years ago.

Let me explain "golden handcuffs."

With salary structure in P5, hard to keep a Candle if P5 beckons. However, it is unlikely he would jump to another G5 team.
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I count us with at least 35 new folks on the roster with redshirt class from last year of 20 plus. Out of 85:scholarships that's quite a change. Wonder what the impact on team chemistry will be? Is this a purge of some type?
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(01-10-2024 08:01 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I count us with at least 35 new folks on the roster with redshirt class from last year of 20 plus. Out of 85:scholarships that's quite a change. Wonder what the impact on team chemistry will be? Is this a purge of some type?

Could the chemistry get any worse?
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(01-10-2024 08:01 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I count us with at least 35 new folks on the roster with redshirt class from last year of 20 plus. Out of 85:scholarships that's quite a change. Wonder what the impact on team chemistry will be? Is this a purge of some type?

So is this saying 35 new faces, or 55?

My complete speculation is that we had the luxury of 20 redshirts because of extra covid years and portals.
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(01-10-2024 10:38 AM)Block_E Wrote:  
(01-10-2024 08:01 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I count us with at least 35 new folks on the roster with redshirt class from last year of 20 plus. Out of 85:scholarships that's quite a change. Wonder what the impact on team chemistry will be? Is this a purge of some type?

So is this saying 35 new faces, or 55?

My complete speculation is that we had the luxury of 20 redshirts because of extra covid years and portals.

I am saying 55 new faces that haven't played a down for EMU before the 2024 season.
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(01-10-2024 01:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 09:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 12:40 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-09-2024 11:49 AM)Block_E Wrote:  This seems like a good place to discuss this, so sorry if it hijacks an old thread:

Looking at the performance bonuses in FBS this year. Jason Candle got @ $300K for his season at Toledo.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...157432007/

MAC Teams:

Toledo: Jason Candle
►$75,000: Sixth regular season win
►$20,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$60,000: Seventh regular season win
►$130,000: Eighth regular season win
►$25,000: Win Mid-American Conference division title
►$15,000: Play in MAC championship game
►One-year contract extension and $60,000 bonus this season: Ninth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through thru Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season is $1,125,000, with $900,000 guaranteed.)
►$20,000: MAC coach of the year

Ohio: Tim Albin
►One-year contract extension and $5,000 bonus this season: Eighth regular season win (Agreement now set to run through Dec. 31, 2027. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $700,000, with $300,000 guaranteed.)
►$5,000: Ninth regular season win
►$30,150: Win bowl game

Northern Illinois: Thomas Hammock
►$15,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$20,000: Win non-CFP bowl game
►One-year contract extension: Win any bowl game (Agreement now set to run through June, 30, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be $760,549, with $317,775 guaranteed.)

Miami (Ohio): Chuck Martin
►$23,973: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$23,973: Play in Mid-American Conference championship game

Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton
►One-year contract extension; (Agreement set to run through Dec. 31, 2028. Scheduled total pay for that season would be at least $775,000, with $725,000 guaranteed.)
►$10,000 raise, beginning next season;
►$25,000 bonus this season: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game

Bowling Green: Scot Loeffler
►$25,000: Sixth win, play in non-CFP bowl game
►$7,500: Fifth win over Mid-American Conference opponent

Now I ask the distinguished members of this forum, do you see where C.C.'s contract parallels that of many other MAC coaches?

Do you thinks agents use the same template for negotiating these contracts? Hint we've seen this in Big Three hourly employee contracts going back many generations. These contracts aren't some crazy idea a rookie AD dreamt up.

Do you think there is a strategic purpose for adding years to an employment contract? It increases the buyout amount if the coach leaves early. This seems obvious in the case of Candle. Think TOL is trying for golden handcuffs.

I see bonus money for bowl games, but I see only ONE auto extension for simply going to a bowl game. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

Cherry pick contracts all you want, but ALL of the aforementioned contracts belong to coaches whose teams had winning records in the MAC this year, sans one. Guess which one please?

"Golden handcuffs"? That is a figment of a MAC AD's imagination. I remember when Buffalo "locked up" Nate Oats in 2019 through 2024 with Big MAC money. THIRTEEN freaking days later Alabama came calling and bought out that chump change contract with SEC $$$. The handcuffs were made of MAC paper.

You are technically correct by defining the parameters the way you did. That said, FOUR of six earned an extra year.

The contracts seem more similar than dissimilar. All of these bonus provisions weren't done say 15 years ago.

Let me explain "golden handcuffs."

With salary structure in P5, hard to keep a Candle if P5 beckons. However, it is unlikely he would jump to another G5 team.

Your "handcuff" point is duly noted. Coach Prime is unlikely to be able to poach Campbell as his OC like he did Lewis from Kent St.

Nevertheless, I wish the contracts were as similar as you think they are. I would be all in on paying him the $15K to $25K that the others are making for a bowl appearance. We are, however, instead EXTENDING HIS CONTRACT ANOTHER YEAR WITH A $725K GUARANTEE. Similar? I have 700K reasons to disagree.

Four coaches indeed were extended, and their MAC records were: Candle 8-0, Albin 6-2, Hammock 5-3 and Creighton 4-4. The expectation bar in DeKalb may be low but in Ypsilanti is really, really low!
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Updated with your new additions.
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