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(12-25-2023 08:27 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

100% agree on Pounds and Allette. Pounds looks to have a big upside and certainly Allette does. I’d kind of like to see Odiahi get some more time on the floor as well. He looks lost at times and doesn’t look ready but we have nothing to lose. Maybe he could develop into a serviceable big.

We aren't going anywhere this year so i would play Odiahi more. I think at this point the season goal is to not loose Allette in the portal.

I don't think he's supposed to be back this year

(12-25-2023 09:07 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:27 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

100% agree on Pounds and Allette. Pounds looks to have a big upside and certainly Allette does. I’d kind of like to see Odiahi get some more time on the floor as well. He looks lost at times and doesn’t look ready but we have nothing to lose. Maybe he could develop into a serviceable big.

Jones seems to think going small gives the team the best chance of winning.

I would argue going as big as possible with the available talent does the exact same thing.

Short term- going small wins more games

Long term- developing Pounds has benefits

The problem is he could just leave either way

Hood wont be returning this year

(12-25-2023 08:17 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

I just want to take a second to recognize what you said. 13-5 or 14-4 in conference is crazy. That what we used to expect, and now it’s crazy. That’s where we are.

I think everyone should understand how rough it is right now

(12-24-2023 08:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:48 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 05:18 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  We’re just really bad. I predicted 18-13. Now I’m not sure we get to .500

Don’t forget how weak, the sunbelt basketball is this season.

This is as bad of an odu team as I can remember. Been watching for over 30 years. Somebody said this team has a lot more talent than the 5-25 team. I’m not soo sure… that team had Deshawn Painter, Aaron Bacote, Dimitri Batten. Keenan Palmore, Richard Ross. At least that team had a couple forwards, There were some decent players on that team. I’m pretty sure this team will win more than 5 games but not too much more. Even though the Sun belt stinks… they probably go 0-4 against JMU/App st. So 9-9 in conference might be optimistic to be honest. I could see this team being in the bottom half of a crappy Sunbelt.

Don’t forget possible upsets of lower predicted sunbelt teams. ODU plays 6 games against the bottom predicted three of the sunbelt league of 14, that’s 6 sure wins to build on.

(12-25-2023 08:27 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

100% agree on Pounds and Allette. Pounds looks to have a big upside and certainly Allette does. I’d kind of like to see Odiahi get some more time on the floor as well. He looks lost at times and doesn’t look ready but we have nothing to lose. Maybe he could develop into a serviceable big.

In my opinion, having watched Allette this season he is a rental for this year.

(12-25-2023 12:25 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:17 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

I just want to take a second to recognize what you said. 13-5 or 14-4 in conference is crazy. That what we used to expect, and now it’s crazy. That’s where we are.

I think everyone should understand how rough it is right now

Outside of JMU & App St. the rest of the league is beatable, not counting on an upset of the 2 mentioned above. Yes, 5 league losses are possible (not counting the tournament). The large league sucks, in basketball not football.

(12-25-2023 08:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 08:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:48 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 05:18 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  We’re just really bad. I predicted 18-13. Now I’m not sure we get to .500

Don’t forget how weak, the sunbelt basketball is this season.

This is as bad of an odu team as I can remember. Been watching for over 30 years. Somebody said this team has a lot more talent than the 5-25 team. I’m not soo sure… that team had Deshawn Painter, Aaron Bacote, Dimitri Batten. Keenan Palmore, Richard Ross. At least that team had a couple forwards, There were some decent players on that team. I’m pretty sure this team will win more than 5 games but not too much more. Even though the Sun belt stinks… they probably go 0-4 against JMU/App st. So 9-9 in conference might be optimistic to be honest. I could see this team being in the bottom half of a crappy Sunbelt.

Don’t forget possible upsets of lower predicted sunbelt teams. ODU plays 6 games against the bottom predicted three of the sunbelt league of 14, that’s 6 sure wins to build on.

“6 sure wins”. Have you watched this team play? Calling any road game a sure win is laughable. Weren’t you the same person that said they’d beat William and Mary by 20. You are setting yourself up to be incredibly disappointed. I’m sure ODU really scares those teams with our 6’4 220 lb center. I wouldn’t call a road game against Lynchburg college a “sure win” with this squad.

I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

(12-26-2023 09:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

South Alabama is 174 in Kenpom. Not great but that’s the definition of average. Not bad. ODU is 235. So ODU might be barely favored. Pretty even ball game with home court advantage. There are much worse teams than South Alabama in the Sunbelt, including ODU unfortunately.

(12-26-2023 10:32 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 09:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

South Alabama is 174 in Kenpom. Not great but that’s the definition of average. Not bad. ODU is 235. So ODU might be barely favored. Pretty even ball game with home court advantage. There are much worse teams than South Alabama in the Sunbelt, including ODU unfortunately.

Right, but we would likely need to finish higher than them to be the middle of the pack. We will likely split with the bottom teams.

(12-26-2023 10:34 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 10:32 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 09:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

South Alabama is 174 in Kenpom. Not great but that’s the definition of average. Not bad. ODU is 235. So ODU might be barely favored. Pretty even ball game with home court advantage. There are much worse teams than South Alabama in the Sunbelt, including ODU unfortunately.

Right, but we would likely need to finish higher than them to be the middle of the pack. We will likely split with the bottom teams.

I hear ya. But I think South Alabama is currently ranked 4th in the Sunbelt out of 14 teams. That’s my point. They may actually be one of the better teams in this league as bad as that is. Wow this conf stinks on ice this year. Last year was much better. JMU should win this league handily just judging rosters. It’s gonna be extremely controversial on how they are seeded. Their strength of schedule is gonna be an absolute joke but who cares. They are good and they are probably gonna win 30 plus games if they win 3 in the conf tournament. That’s just Nuts.

(12-26-2023 11:39 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 10:34 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 10:32 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-26-2023 09:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

South Alabama is 174 in Kenpom. Not great but that’s the definition of average. Not bad. ODU is 235. So ODU might be barely favored. Pretty even ball game with home court advantage. There are much worse teams than South Alabama in the Sunbelt, including ODU unfortunately.

Right, but we would likely need to finish higher than them to be the middle of the pack. We will likely split with the bottom teams.

I hear ya. But I think South Alabama is currently ranked 4th in the Sunbelt out of 14 teams. That’s my point. They may actually be one of the better teams in this league as bad as that is. Wow this conf stinks on ice this year. Last year was much better. JMU should win this league handily just judging rosters. It’s gonna be extremely controversial on how they are seeded. Their strength of schedule is gonna be an absolute joke but who cares. They are good and they are probably gonna win 30 plus games if they win 3 in the conf tournament. That’s just Nuts.

You might be right. South Alabama could be one of the top 4 teams.

Yea JMU is likely headed for a 30 win season if you count the conference tournament. I agree with you 100%. Insane.

We lost to W&M. There are no "sure" wins.

(12-25-2023 09:01 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:27 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

100% agree on Pounds and Allette. Pounds looks to have a big upside and certainly Allette does. I’d kind of like to see Odiahi get some more time on the floor as well. He looks lost at times and doesn’t look ready but we have nothing to lose. Maybe he could develop into a serviceable big.

In my opinion, having watched Allette this season he is a rental for this year.

They will definitely be coming after him in the offseason.

(12-26-2023 12:02 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We lost to W&M. There are no "sure" wins.

There's no way to sugar coat things regarding ODU men's basketball. We're bad (again).

(12-25-2023 10:40 AM)odubsu Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:27 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2023 08:09 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah 13 or 14 in conference is crazy, cant see it happening.

Umass is a good team, top 100 quality but we should be more competitive.

Need to focus on developing Pounds and teaching Allette how to play team basketball and defense

100% agree on Pounds and Allette. Pounds looks to have a big upside and certainly Allette does. I’d kind of like to see Odiahi get some more time on the floor as well. He looks lost at times and doesn’t look ready but we have nothing to lose. Maybe he could develop into a serviceable big.

We aren't going anywhere this year so i would play Odiahi more. I think at this point the season goal is to not loose Allette in the portal.

The question is will ODU have the money to keep Allette?

(12-26-2023 09:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I think the South Alabama game at home will be a good measuring stick for where we are in the conference. The reason I say that is because they are bad, and if we can beat them handily then I think we will be in for a middle of the pack finish. If they beat us on Saturday we are heading towards the bottom of the conference.

If you look at how the pre-conference sunbelt teams have played, it looks pretty bad, except for JMU & App St. Yes the W&M game Took me by complete shock. I still think ODU will win a lot more than losses, in the conference games. Count on it!

(12-25-2023 08:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 08:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:48 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 05:18 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  We’re just really bad. I predicted 18-13. Now I’m not sure we get to .500

Don’t forget how weak, the sunbelt basketball is this season.

This is as bad of an odu team as I can remember. Been watching for over 30 years. Somebody said this team has a lot more talent than the 5-25 team. I’m not soo sure… that team had Deshawn Painter, Aaron Bacote, Dimitri Batten. Keenan Palmore, Richard Ross. At least that team had a couple forwards, There were some decent players on that team. I’m pretty sure this team will win more than 5 games but not too much more. Even though the Sun belt stinks… they probably go 0-4 against JMU/App st. So 9-9 in conference might be optimistic to be honest. I could see this team being in the bottom half of a crappy Sunbelt.

Don’t forget possible upsets of lower predicted sunbelt teams. ODU plays 6 games against the bottom predicted three of the sunbelt league of 14, that’s 6 sure wins to build on.

No such thing as sure wins. I honestly don't understand this viewpoint. I said before a game earlier this year, when we put it all together, we can beat most teams on our schedule. But we've seen too many games this year where they are completely beatable too. We aren't good enough just to show up and win. I think a healthy dose of trepidation and an underdog mentality going into every game is warranted.

Are OOC record is 4 - 8. Ouch...