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...with FSU having an emergency meeting tomorrow, things are happening, and the $$$$ may be 'do-able' for FSU (and others) to break out of the ACC in the next 2-3 years...

...with that, the BLAZER angle is... if the ACC survives and requires 'replenishing', where do we fit in the 'pecking order'? I figure Memphis, Tulane, etc... would be top candidates for the ACC, but... are we positioned to join them? ANY info on whether there have been any 'due diligence' from our AD?

We have so much work to do. That’s why it stinks that we peaked in 2019.

Ditto:
With the way UAB is performing (nonperforming) this year, maybe the Sunbelt when the AAC implodes

(12-21-2023 03:42 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...with FSU having an emergency meeting tomorrow, things are happening, and the $$$$ may be 'do-able' for FSU (and others) to break out of the ACC in the next 2-3 years...

...with that, the BLAZER angle is... if the ACC survives and requires 'replenishing', where do we fit in the 'pecking order'? I figure Memphis, Tulane, etc... would be top candidates for the ACC, but... are we positioned to join them? ANY info on whether there have been any 'due diligence' from our AD?

When the first FSU rumblings started in September, it was reported by legitimate sources (SI) that the ACC had begun vetting six potential new schools in their order of preference.

Those were (in order)
1. Tulane
2. USF
3. Memphis
4. UAB
5. East Carolina
6. Tulsa

(12-21-2023 04:07 PM)CyberBlazer Wrote:  Ditto:
With the way UAB is performing (nonperforming) this year, maybe the Sunbelt when the AAC implodes

Good thing that conferences don't look at a single season of results when vetting potential members.

(12-21-2023 06:00 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:42 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...with FSU having an emergency meeting tomorrow, things are happening, and the $$$$ may be 'do-able' for FSU (and others) to break out of the ACC in the next 2-3 years...

...with that, the BLAZER angle is... if the ACC survives and requires 'replenishing', where do we fit in the 'pecking order'? I figure Memphis, Tulane, etc... would be top candidates for the ACC, but... are we positioned to join them? ANY info on whether there have been any 'due diligence' from our AD?

When the first FSU rumblings started in September, it was reported by legitimate sources (SI) that the ACC had begun vetting six potential new schools in their order of preference.

Those were (in order)
1. Tulane
2. USF
3. Memphis
4. UAB
5. East Carolina
6. Tulsa

Yup.

I really hope so..

(12-21-2023 06:01 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 04:07 PM)CyberBlazer Wrote:  Ditto:
With the way UAB is performing (nonperforming) this year, maybe the Sunbelt when the AAC implodes

Good thing that conferences don't look at a single season of results when vetting potential members.

Amen to that

Aw come on. It’s much better to think the worst case scenario

...it's official that FSU is challenging the ACC GOR in the courts - it appears there are 'loopholes' in the GOR, which is 'under lock and key', thus nobody really knows what it says, save for a few 'representatives'... main thing is that ESPN has the option to 'kill off' the ACC Network after 2027, although the GOR is until 2036 or something...

BACK to UAB - I thought I remembered we were on a 'short list', so that's cool... but if the ACC 'blows up' a'la the PAC, may not be much to jump to... an ACC/AAC merger is most likely?

(12-22-2023 11:55 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...it's official that FSU is challenging the ACC GOR in the courts - it appears there are 'loopholes' in the GOR, which is 'under lock and key', thus nobody really knows what it says, save for a few 'representatives'... main thing is that ESPN has the option to 'kill off' the ACC Network after 2027, although the GOR is until 2036 or something...

BACK to UAB - I thought I remembered we were on a 'short list', so that's cool... but if the ACC 'blows up' a'la the PAC, may not be much to jump to... an ACC/AAC merger is most likely?

the AAACC

it shows 6 teams being vetted. So I take it they expect 4-6 teams jumping ship and needing others to fill the void? Would be nice to see SMU again and not have to spend as much as they did.

There is likely going to be some combination of Georgia Tech, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, Wake, Louisville, plus the incoming schools left. I can't see a full on merger if the ACC remains that large. I also question if the BOT would allow a move to the ACC if that became a real possibility.

Not knowing what the ACC will do, the ACC probably couldn’t tell you what they would do. But if the AAC gets raided, and ECU isn’t in that list, the SBC will be pretty happy to have them, even though they have LaTech level douche baggery in their fan base.

The AAC could be the next conference on their death bed. Good luck to you guys, to have some of those basketball schools on y’all’s schedule would be a nice get after years of dealing with that last rendition of CUSA y’all were in.

The suit was filed in Leon County circuit and they petitioned for a declaratory judgment. There’s no way the ACC won’t ask for a change of venue and they’ll probably ask that the suit be moved to federal court since the ramifications will literally extend from New England to Miami.

I feel pretty sure the schools on the initial vetting list have been war gaming scenarios as has the involved conferences

I've heard for several years now how the ACC's Grant of Rights is basically bulletproof legally. Many schools have hired legal help who decided that it was not doable to break that contract in court. FSU is going to try it, and they're also looking at using an investment firm to fund buying themselves out. If it actually costs them $572m to buy their way out as ESPN says, that's 19 years of that $30m difference in funding between the ACC and the Big Two - plus legal and financing fees. Add that so far as I know there has been no public interest shown by the SEC or the B1G in taking them if they get out. Are they going to try going independent? That works for Notre Dame but they have a built in nationwide audience that FSU does not.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...drawal-fee

Florida State to AAC

(12-22-2023 01:06 PM)C-Finder Wrote:  Florida State to AAC

...well, there IS the Jimbo connection... no matter how weak...

(12-22-2023 12:52 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I've heard for several years now how the ACC's Grant of Rights is basically bulletproof legally. Many schools have hired legal help who decided that it was not doable to break that contract in court. FSU is going to try it, and they're also looking at using an investment firm to fund buying themselves out. If it actually costs them $572m to buy their way out as ESPN says, that's 19 years of that $30m difference in funding between the ACC and the Big Two - plus legal and financing fees. Add that so far as I know there has been no public interest shown by the SEC or the B1G in taking them if they get out. Are they going to try going independent? That works for Notre Dame but they have a built in nationwide audience that FSU does not.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...drawal-fee

...the B1G is the destination, and the B1G is VERY interested in planting a flag deep in $EC-Land... ...and FSU has burnt the bridge with the SEC/ESPN, as the GOR info has been 'daylighted', thus creating 'holiday work' for the good folks in Bristol... B1G is of course Fox/NBC, with a smidge of ESPN, so... I think the 'overt' anti-FSU rhetoric by ESPN talking heads post-playoff reveal now makes sense, and hints that FSU was burning that bridge to Bristol well before...

P.S. -thanks for the link!

(12-22-2023 12:52 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Add that so far as I know there has been no public interest shown by the SEC or the B1G in taking them if they get out.

This has been my thought as well. The SEC has seemed disinterested in further expansion. I don't think the Big 10 has much either. They thinking of going to the Big XII? They could end up being like someone who breaks up with their girlfriend thinking he's got better options, only to be sitting a home alone on a Saturday night, naked on a bean bag chair eating Cheetos.

(12-22-2023 12:49 PM)biglizard Wrote:  The suit was filed in Leon County circuit and they petitioned for a declaratory judgment. There’s no way the ACC won’t ask for a change of venue and they’ll probably ask that the suit be moved to federal court since the ramifications will literally extend from New England to Miami.

I feel pretty sure the schools on the initial vetting list have been war gaming scenarios as has the involved conferences

Change of venue, no. Only reason that's done is due to the potential of not finding impartial jurors. A dec judgement action is equity, so there is no jury.

Removal to federal court? Possibly. You're right that this impacts parties spread over multiple states. It's been a long time since I looked at much of anything related to civil procedure, but I do remember there has to be "complete diversity." There is another ACC institution in Florida, so that might affect the ability to remove. I would also note that all the Pac 12 litigation never got removed to federal court, it stayed in Washington state court.