(12-21-2023 12:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

Where is there anything but speculation they are going to court? A twittererer just blurted it would be the first step. Click bait line until we hear otherwise

(12-21-2023 02:11 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

(12-21-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:11 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

(12-21-2023 03:31 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:11 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

You do know Louisiana and Alabama are different states, right?

(12-21-2023 03:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:31 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:11 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

You do know Louisiana and Alabama are different states, right?

Yeah, well aware. Your argument just seemed weird to me. It seems like you were saying, "Florida's not great (right now), and since FSU has no intrinsic advantage over Florida, they'll be no better than Florida." Except, Florida has had periods of sustained success; they've just made some bad hires. Alabama dominating the SEC over the last 15 years hasn't stopped LSU, Auburn, Georgia, even Florida from having success in that time.

The main point is that there's absolutely no reason to think FSU couldn't have decent success in the SEC. That doesn't mean every year. That doesn't mean no down periods. Even Alabama hasn't been Alabama every year or even every 5-year period over the last 50.

(12-21-2023 03:51 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:31 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:11 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  Will it, though?

It's not like FSU has been doing nothing but beating up on "weak" ACC teams and then getting waxed each time they play elite-level teams OOC. They have tons of elite-level wins over the last 30 years, and 3 national championships to show for it.

Will they be Alabama of the last 10-15 years? No. Are they perfectly capable of competing at or even slightly above an LSU level? Absolutely.

Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

You do know Louisiana and Alabama are different states, right?

Yeah, well aware. Your argument just seemed weird to me. It seems like you were saying, "Florida's not great (right now), and since FSU has no intrinsic advantage over Florida, they'll be no better than Florida." Except, Florida has had periods of sustained success; they've just made some bad hires. Alabama dominating the SEC over the last 15 years hasn't stopped LSU, Auburn, Georgia, even Florida from having success in that time.

The main point is that there's absolutely no reason to think FSU couldn't have decent success in the SEC. That doesn't mean every year. That doesn't mean no down periods. Even Alabama hasn't been Alabama every year or even every 5-year period over the last 50.

No, I am saying FSU will not all of the sudden be immune by joining the SEC. In fact, their life will be much harder. That's why I think they join the Big Ten if they pay their way out of the ACC.

When UNC's ACC-diehards get nervous, it must be real?

recuriting will change for FSU also
elite recurit running over ACC, at 7-5
5 stars will start looking at Tex, Ga, Ala, LSU

(12-21-2023 04:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  recuriting will change for FSU also
elite recurit running over ACC, at 7-5
5 stars will start looking at Tex, Ga, Ala, LSU

Yeah, all those 5 stars out there that just refuse right now to look at Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and LSU.

(12-21-2023 03:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:51 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:31 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  Even Florida struggles in the SEC and fires a coach twice a decade. They don’t have an intrinsic advantage over Florida.

I believe if the Noles pay their way out, they opt for the Big Ten and the Big Ten lets them in because their TV ratings

And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

You do know Louisiana and Alabama are different states, right?

Yeah, well aware. Your argument just seemed weird to me. It seems like you were saying, "Florida's not great (right now), and since FSU has no intrinsic advantage over Florida, they'll be no better than Florida." Except, Florida has had periods of sustained success; they've just made some bad hires. Alabama dominating the SEC over the last 15 years hasn't stopped LSU, Auburn, Georgia, even Florida from having success in that time.

The main point is that there's absolutely no reason to think FSU couldn't have decent success in the SEC. That doesn't mean every year. That doesn't mean no down periods. Even Alabama hasn't been Alabama every year or even every 5-year period over the last 50.

No, I am saying FSU will not all of the sudden be immune by joining the SEC. In fact, their life will be much harder. That's why I think they join the Big Ten if they pay their way out of the ACC.

They would experience a huge leap in recruiting by joining the SEC. Also, a larger SEC will dilute the schedule on certain years. Just make sure that Georgia/Alabama is not a protected rivalry

FSU is not playing for conference championships. They want national titles and a P2 move is the best route for it.

(12-21-2023 04:59 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:51 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:31 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  And LSU doesn't have an intrinsic advantage over Alabama. Hasn't stopped the Tigers from going 2-1 in NC games over the last 15 years.

You do know Louisiana and Alabama are different states, right?

Yeah, well aware. Your argument just seemed weird to me. It seems like you were saying, "Florida's not great (right now), and since FSU has no intrinsic advantage over Florida, they'll be no better than Florida." Except, Florida has had periods of sustained success; they've just made some bad hires. Alabama dominating the SEC over the last 15 years hasn't stopped LSU, Auburn, Georgia, even Florida from having success in that time.

The main point is that there's absolutely no reason to think FSU couldn't have decent success in the SEC. That doesn't mean every year. That doesn't mean no down periods. Even Alabama hasn't been Alabama every year or even every 5-year period over the last 50.

No, I am saying FSU will not all of the sudden be immune by joining the SEC. In fact, their life will be much harder. That's why I think they join the Big Ten if they pay their way out of the ACC.

They would experience a huge leap in recruiting by joining the SEC. Also, a larger SEC will dilute the schedule on certain years. Just make sure that Georgia/Alabama is not a protected rivalry

FSU is not playing for conference championships. They want national titles and a P2 move is the best route for it.

So what, #9 to #sub 1?!

lol this is about more money nothing more.

(12-21-2023 04:26 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  When UNC's ACC-diehards get nervous, it must be real?

Actually, the die-hards have always recognized the possibility of FSU buying their way out fair and square. Personally I never thought they’d be dumb enough to do it.

On the other hand, the moment they take the ACC to court is the moment they become a lame duck member. It’s an insanely high risk for a school that apparently cares more about a media paycheck than anything else.

I am wondering if the failure to make the playoffs will be used to show the ACC has failed to keep the conference at the competitive level that existed when the GOR was signed?

(12-21-2023 04:26 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  When UNC's ACC-diehards get nervous, it must be real?

wake me up in 7 year. Soon it will be 6 years.

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

I agree with this.

The threat is credible. But I don’t think they will win this case.

(12-21-2023 07:24 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

I agree with this.

The threat is credible. But I don’t think they will win this case.

FSU is not going to court. FSU will have the state sue on their behalf arguing that the GOR isn't valid.

(12-21-2023 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 07:24 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

I agree with this.

The threat is credible. But I don’t think they will win this case.

FSU is not going to court. FSU will have the state sue on their behalf arguing that the GOR isn't valid.

In that case, I suppose that all of Florida's tax revenue will have to filter through the ACC office before it get's back to the taxpayers in Florida.
WOW! A conference that will end up owning a State.

(12-21-2023 07:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 07:24 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

I agree with this.

The threat is credible. But I don’t think they will win this case.

FSU is not going to court. FSU will have the state sue on their behalf arguing that the GOR isn't valid.

In that case, I suppose that all of Florida's tax revenue will have to filter through the ACC office before it get's back to the taxpayers in Florida.
WOW! A conference that will end up owning a State.

You should write legal fantasy novels X. You could use the pen name of Earl Stanley Verne.

(12-21-2023 05:53 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 04:26 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  When UNC's ACC-diehards get nervous, it must be real?

Actually, the die-hards have always recognized the possibility of FSU buying their way out fair and square. Personally I never thought they’d be dumb enough to do it.
. . . .

It gets really real when the UNC-ACC die-hards learn the University of North Carolina is also dumb enough to do it.