RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
Trump and Reagan are the 2 best in the last 50+ years.
Who’d have ever guessed Trump would have been between 2 of the 3 worst in history- Obama, Carter and the current brain dead retard, in no particular order.
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RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
(12-21-2023 12:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Just about everyone in the 1950s was a social conservative by today's standards.
That's why I find it absurd for leftists/democrats to talk about how "extreme" the right/republicans have become, when today's republicans would have a much easier time running on the 1960 republican platform than democrats would trying to run on the 1960 democrat platform. Heck, the democrat president elected in 1960 was a tax-cutting Cold Warrior who would fit much better in the republican than the democrat party today.
Bill Clinton couldn't run on a Democratic ticket due to today's Democratic party.
RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
(12-21-2023 01:21 PM)mlb Wrote:
(12-21-2023 12:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Just about everyone in the 1950s was a social conservative by today's standards.
That's why I find it absurd for leftists/democrats to talk about how "extreme" the right/republicans have become, when today's republicans would have a much easier time running on the 1960 republican platform than democrats would trying to run on the 1960 democrat platform. Heck, the democrat president elected in 1960 was a tax-cutting Cold Warrior who would fit much better in the republican than the democrat party today.
Bill Clinton couldn't run on a Democratic ticket due to today's Democratic party.
RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(12-21-2023 11:41 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:
(12-21-2023 11:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: southern social conservatives dominated politics in the antebellum & postbellum south, there is no debating the topic. What’s amusing, however, is how southern social conservatives now try & to claim ownership of Lincoln & the abolition of slavery… while also defending southern rebellion & ultimately secession. You guys are a hoot.
Has it ever occurred to you that some social conservatives looked a little bit deeper into the issues that caused the civil war, and found that one of the issues, which is completely overlooked by modern historians, is that in regard to state's rights, the Confederacy was fighting against the Union to prevent an unconstitutional central government from being formed? The Union got it anyway when they won the war, and this large central government has been around since that time, but its effects have been causing havoc in our society for almost 100 years, certainly accelerating in the present time.
Have you read Mississippi or South Carolina’s declaration of secession? Did you bother to note that immediately after the election of Lincoln in 1860… South Carolina drafted the document. Do you not see the complete hypocrisy is embracing Lincoln but then also embracing/justfying the rebellion spurred on by his election?
The bolded is only valid if you believe the southern forces were only made up of those who were fighting to keep their slaves which is a fallacy. It also ignores the many comments by Lincoln regarding the topic.
RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lince and The Ballot In An Election
(12-21-2023 01:21 PM)mlb Wrote:
(12-21-2023 12:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Just about everyone in the 1950s was a social conservative by today's standards.
That's why I find it absurd for leftists/democrats to talk about how "extreme" the right/republicans have become, when today's republicans would have a much easier time running on the 1960 republican platform than democrats would trying to run on the 1960 democrat platform. Heck, the democrat president elected in 1960 was a tax-cutting Cold Warrior who would fit much better in the republican than the democrat party today.
Bill Clinton couldn't run on a Democratic ticket due to today's Democratic party.
and a conservative like Reagan would stand no chance in the dark, cynical populist party that is now the GOP…
RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
(12-21-2023 01:21 PM)mlb Wrote:
(12-21-2023 12:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Just about everyone in the 1950s was a social conservative by today's standards.
That's why I find it absurd for leftists/democrats to talk about how "extreme" the right/republicans have become, when today's republicans would have a much easier time running on the 1960 republican platform than democrats would trying to run on the 1960 democrat platform. Heck, the democrat president elected in 1960 was a tax-cutting Cold Warrior who would fit much better in the republican than the democrat party today.
Bill Clinton couldn't run on a Democratic ticket due to today's Democratic party.
He wouldn't be considered a Republican either.. I'm thinking he'd have to take the RFK Jr route. He would be Dem Lite
RE: HISTORY LESSON: Abraham Lincoln Was Also Once Removed From The Ballot In An Election
(12-22-2023 10:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:
(12-22-2023 10:30 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(12-22-2023 07:38 AM)gdunn Wrote: (Clinton) wouldn't be considered a Republican either.
He'd be more republican than the damn RINOs.
Maybe.. Unfortunately I was young during Clinton's years.
He balanced the budget (admittedly with the help of a couple of budgetary gimmicks, but nobody since has come close to doing even that) and reformed welfare. Yes, he was pushed in those directions by republicans after 1994, but if you read what he was saying and writing in the late 1980s, he was in favor of doing those things and spent his first two years unable to get the democrat majorities in congress to go along.
I have long felt that the Clinton-Newt years presented a great opportunity to reprise the Ike/LBJ/Rayburn years when 3 Texans basically ran the country from their 5 pm bourbon and branch sessions. Hell, they could even have swapped girls' phone numers (although Newt's taste in women seems to have been better than Clinton's). We could have had balanced budgets going forward, knocked off bin Laden, and implemented Bismarck health care, and been way better off for the last 20+ years than we have been.
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