(12-18-2023 09:24 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 05:50 PM)El Duderino Wrote:  If we don't win by 30 it is a loss.

Does 58-17 at half meet your expectations.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I have learned, with Burno no lead is safe. As bad as Calumet was, (losing to Judson by 21 points (Judson!!!!)), even a 41 point lead at halftime wasn't safe enough to ensure a 30 point win. I was cheering for at least a 50 point win. I was sitting 8 foot away from collegeman when he was screaming at Burno. MAYBE Burno wanted to get a second half W!
Similar to the Chicago Bears who have demonstrated the ability to lose games spectacularly this season, Burno's NIU has demonstrated the ability to play horrible basketball in the 2nd half (we were clearly the better team in the first half against ISU, we were absolutely miserable in the 2nd half, we led NW at a halftime - we lost by 20+ points!). I walked out of the Convo that night thinking NIU wasted my time - their effort wasn't worthy of my effort!
We did beat Calumet by 3 points in the 2nd half. The W was not in doubt, even before tipoff. As I said in a previous thread we would all walk out of the Convo with a smile on our faces. But was it a great game? Did that game do anything to prep for N. Iowa on Thursday? Has Burno made any strategic adjustments to fix our 2nd half meltdown problem? I didn't see it.
I thought about going through the stats to see if that was our first 1st 2nd half W of the season but I don't care that much!

(12-19-2023 10:25 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 09:24 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 05:50 PM)El Duderino Wrote:  If we don't win by 30 it is a loss.

Does 58-17 at half meet your expectations.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I have learned, with Burno no lead is safe. As bad as Calumet was, (losing to Judson by 21 points (Judson!!!!)), even a 41 point lead at halftime wasn't safe enough to ensure a 30 point win. I was cheering for at least a 50 point win. I was sitting 8 foot away from collegeman when he was screaming at Burno. MAYBE Burno wanted to get a second half W!
Similar to the Chicago Bears who have demonstrated the ability to lose games spectacularly this season, Burno's NIU has demonstrated the ability to play horrible basketball in the 2nd half (we were clearly the better team in the first half against ISU, we were absolutely miserable in the 2nd half, we led NW at a halftime - we lost by 20+ points!). I walked out of the Convo that night thinking NIU wasted my time - their effort wasn't worthy of my effort!
We did beat Calumet by 3 points in the 2nd half. The W was not in doubt, even before tipoff. As I said in a previous thread we would all walk out of the Convo with a smile on our faces. But was it a great game? Did that game do anything to prep for N. Iowa on Thursday? Has Burno made any strategic adjustments to fix our 2nd half meltdown problem? I didn't see it.
I thought about going through the stats to see if that was our first 1st 2nd half W of the season but I don't care that much!

Looking at a game like last night's isn't going to answer many of the questions you have because of the talent differential and the lopsided score. Would things have looked different with the starters playing down the wire? With a closer score? Hopefully. But what I do know is we can't determine anything watching Gogic fire up 3s and Amari shoot from 45 feet away trying to get on the scoresheet.

Maybe the point Burno was trying to make to his team (and I think you hinted at it) was, if your in the game...play hard but play smart. Which has obviously been an issue the past few games.

That's why I hate screaming at a coach when you really don't know what lesson he's trying to teach or emphasize. But I suppose 15 bucks buys you the right to scream at someone you'd never scream at if you just passed the guy on the street.

Burno's look of dismissal and confusion was perfect.

I've done a little coaching in my days and for a year, I was coaching a boys 7th grade basketball team in Peoria. I was struggling with having the boys start hard. We'd get behind early and then they'd scramble back into the game and lose by a few points. We worked tirelessly in practice on intensity, pressing and transitioning turnovers into layups.

Then, at our next game, I was informed about 15 minutes before the game, that the team we were playing had a bunch of 5th graders playing and they were averaging about 4 points a game.

How do I...after getting my point across for a week in practice...all of a sudden tell them to back off from the opening tip?

The other coach talked to me before the game and asked me to go easy on the team. I explained to him what my team was going through and how I had to make the point to them but I would only do it for a few minutes before I called off the press and eventually went to a defense where we had to keep 1 foot in the lane and couldn't pick off passes. But we were 100% going to start out in a press.

He really didn't like my answer but I didn't care.

We won by like 70 points even though we only pressed for the first minute and a half of the game.

I had a parent of the other team rip into me as I was talking to my wife after the game for playing my starters in the 2nd half and what not but...what am I supposed to do? I can't just play my worst players (and, to be fair, they would have demolished that team too had I let them loose) the entire game. I had to rotate kids if for no other reason than to keep them satisfied.

Nevertheless, the parent didn't know what I was trying to teach my team and the issues we were trying to overcome. She also didn't know that a kid she deemed shouldn't have been playing hadn't played in over 2 weeks because of grades so I was rewarding him for working hard in the classroom to get eligible. But those things don't matter to people who think they know everything.

One more thing I found a little bit odd and wonder if any of you caught it or know what led to this----Gebrewhit didn't play much (maybe the grandmother situation noted early)---but he got in made a couple of baskets, had a turnover and then launched a missed three point attempt we rebounded and scored and Burno immediately called a timeout and yanked Gebrewhit from the game---with just over seven minutes left--just a timeout for a sub----teams didn't go to the benches---just yanked him after taking three.

Anyone else find this odd? I understand the once in a while timeout in the last minute to empty benches and make line changes----but to a player that has minutes way down???? and right after a long three???

Thoughts? Insight?

"Burno's look of dismissal and confusion was perfect."

That was the most bizarre. Burno just stood and looked at this heckler for the entire episode (20 seconds) with a blank face. As a coach I don't think I would acknowledge or look at a heckler assuming as a coach I know what I am doing and the heckler is not knowledgeable about what or why I am doing it. But then Burno put in the B squad. On the flip side if the B squad doesn't get to into a game leading by 50 points, they never will get in! Too, if the coach has zero confidence in the B squad, why are they even there?

I was clearly in the wrong yelling at coach Burno! As a donor, fan, supporter whatever it is doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to scream crap at a coach no matter what! I was upset because Coit, Nutter, Will Lovings Watts who started and Amos were in the game with under 4- minutes to play. A twisted ankle in garbage time as NIU is winning at this point by forty something. I also thought it was unsportsmanlike as the Huskies had 4 starters in the game at this point. I lost my cool when he brought Amos back into the game around the 4 minute mark. The bottom line is I definitely was in the wrong and will go forward as just a spectator and leave the passion for other things.

(12-19-2023 04:31 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  I was clearly in the wrong yelling at coach Burno! As a donor, fan, supporter whatever it is doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to scream crap at a coach no matter what! I was upset because Coit, Nutter, Will Lovings Watts who started and Amos were in the game with under 4- minutes to play. A twisted ankle in garbage time as NIU is winning at this point by forty something. I also thought it was unsportsmanlike as the Huskies had 4 starters in the game at this point. I lost my cool when he brought Amos back into the game around the 4 minute mark. The bottom line is I definitely was in the wrong and will go forward as just a spectator and leave the passion for other things.

Passion for NIU basketball? I'll take it.

(12-19-2023 04:31 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  I was clearly in the wrong yelling at coach Burno! As a donor, fan, supporter whatever it is doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to scream crap at a coach no matter what! I was upset because Coit, Nutter, Will Lovings Watts who started and Amos were in the game with under 4- minutes to play. A twisted ankle in garbage time as NIU is winning at this point by forty something. I also thought it was unsportsmanlike as the Huskies had 4 starters in the game at this point. I lost my cool when he brought Amos back into the game around the 4 minute mark. The bottom line is I definitely was in the wrong and will go forward as just a spectator and leave the passion for other things.

While your diplomacy is admirable, it would be nice to hear from coach's lips - some insight into why the best time to "coach 'em up", is at the end of an absolute beat down and, how that value is greater then the risk of an injury.

In my opinion, it was a bad choice where the risk far outweighs the return.

If Burno wanted to give lessons to his team, it is not a good time against a cupcake that should not have been scheduled in the first place. That is what practice is for. 33, I don't always agree with your posts, but I back you 100% in calling out Burno's lack of emptying the bench. You support the MBB program and I see no reason why you cannot criticize that program.


GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clearly the one in the wrong here is me and for that I have to apologize. I understand that we get passionate and sometimes that passion means that we scream at another man on live tv. A move that is admirable as it shows a coach that they are in the wrong. Sometimes they need to be put in their place and clearly this was a moment it was necessary.

So, I am the one that will re-direct my own passion into other endeavors. It seems to be the move around here where we have to be so thin-skinned that if we are criticized at all, we quit for the betterment of the "community" because we're either too old or too passionate or some other self-serving and un-reflective reason.

In other words...apparently I'm bad so I'll self-impose my own punishment.

(12-19-2023 02:26 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  One more thing I found a little bit odd and wonder if any of you caught it or know what led to this----Gebrewhit didn't play much (maybe the grandmother situation noted early)---but he got in made a couple of baskets, had a turnover and then launched a missed three point attempt we rebounded and scored and Burno immediately called a timeout and yanked Gebrewhit from the game---with just over seven minutes left--just a timeout for a sub----teams didn't go to the benches---just yanked him after taking three.

Anyone else find this odd? I understand the once in a while timeout in the last minute to empty benches and make line changes----but to a player that has minutes way down???? and right after a long three???

Thoughts? Insight?

I’ve noticed the quick hook with Philmon as wel, it may have been the Northwestern game where he turned the ball over or forced a shot and was immediately pulled. Maybe the calumet game is just related to missing some practice time, but he seems to have a shorter leash than some of the other guys.

As far as everyone’s passion - we need all hands on deck as NIU fans. We may not all agree that we should or shouldn’t have done X Y or Z, but I appreciate the different points of view and at the end of the day we all want the same thing in Huskie success.

(12-19-2023 04:31 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  I was clearly in the wrong yelling at coach Burno! As a donor, fan, supporter whatever it is doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to scream crap at a coach no matter what! I was upset because Coit, Nutter, Will Lovings Watts who started and Amos were in the game with under 4- minutes to play. A twisted ankle in garbage time as NIU is winning at this point by forty something. I also thought it was unsportsmanlike as the Huskies had 4 starters in the game at this point. I lost my cool when he brought Amos back into the game around the 4 minute mark. The bottom line is I definitely was in the wrong and will go forward as just a spectator and leave the passion for other things.

I'm not criticizing you. You paid your money you have a right to voice your opinion. I won't criticize Burno for this either. But Burno needs to fix his team's inability to compete in the 2nd half, by J2. Beating Calumet by 3 points in the 2nd half tells me it ain't fixed.
P.S. I am disappointed about the lack of Durosinmi play. At 6' 9'', 243 lbs no one is pushing him around. Develop that guy!

(12-19-2023 11:53 PM)McG Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:26 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  One more thing I found a little bit odd and wonder if any of you caught it or know what led to this----Gebrewhit didn't play much (maybe the grandmother situation noted early)---but he got in made a couple of baskets, had a turnover and then launched a missed three point attempt we rebounded and scored and Burno immediately called a timeout and yanked Gebrewhit from the game---with just over seven minutes left--just a timeout for a sub----teams didn't go to the benches---just yanked him after taking three.

Anyone else find this odd? I understand the once in a while timeout in the last minute to empty benches and make line changes----but to a player that has minutes way down???? and right after a long three???

Thoughts? Insight?

I’ve noticed the quick hook with Philmon as wel, it may have been the Northwestern game where he turned the ball over or forced a shot and was immediately pulled. Maybe the calumet game is just related to missing some practice time, but he seems to have a shorter leash than some of the other guys.

As far as everyone’s passion - we need all hands on deck as NIU fans. We may not all agree that we should or shouldn’t have done X Y or Z, but I appreciate the different points of view and at the end of the day we all want the same thing in Huskie success.

Re: Gebrewhit... I've always felt he was a 6th man but without Williams (and until Lovings-Watts develops) he's probably a starter (unless you have a better option). But I've also felt he has not shot as well as he did at DePaul. It's possible he's (to use a sports cliche) trying to do too much. Shooting too many 3s and his FT shooting (in my opinion) has been abysmal. Better selection and a focus on FTs.

As for the "passion" thing...yeah...I wasn't serious. Just making fun of it.

(12-20-2023 12:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:53 PM)McG Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:26 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  One more thing I found a little bit odd and wonder if any of you caught it or know what led to this----Gebrewhit didn't play much (maybe the grandmother situation noted early)---but he got in made a couple of baskets, had a turnover and then launched a missed three point attempt we rebounded and scored and Burno immediately called a timeout and yanked Gebrewhit from the game---with just over seven minutes left--just a timeout for a sub----teams didn't go to the benches---just yanked him after taking three.

Anyone else find this odd? I understand the once in a while timeout in the last minute to empty benches and make line changes----but to a player that has minutes way down???? and right after a long three???

Thoughts? Insight?

I’ve noticed the quick hook with Philmon as wel, it may have been the Northwestern game where he turned the ball over or forced a shot and was immediately pulled. Maybe the calumet game is just related to missing some practice time, but he seems to have a shorter leash than some of the other guys.

As far as everyone’s passion - we need all hands on deck as NIU fans. We may not all agree that we should or shouldn’t have done X Y or Z, but I appreciate the different points of view and at the end of the day we all want the same thing in Huskie success.

Re: Gebrewhit... I've always felt he was a 6th man but without Williams (and until Lovings-Watts develops) he's probably a starter (unless you have a better option). But I've also felt he has not shot as well as he did at DePaul. It's possible he's (to use a sports cliche) trying to do too much. Shooting too many 3s and his FT shooting (in my opinion) has been abysmal. Better selection and a focus on FTs.

As for the "passion" thing...yeah...I wasn't serious. Just making fun of it.

Yelling at the team's coach that you portend to root for is not PASSION...it is crude, rude and uncivilzed. You have no idea what goes into the calculus of when to play who. You didn't recruit the kid, don't see him in practice, don't know what things coach wants to emphasize/teach, how difficult scheduling is or, actually, it appears, not a damn thing about developing players, running a program or jelling a team. You may just not be a very nice person.

Huskies 77 I think you’re mixing up several different things. I yelled at the coach. I didn’t say anything about Phil G. I also stated that while I believe playing 4 starters with under 4 minutes to play when you’re winning by 47 is a bad idea period! That being said yelling at the coach about it during the game or after the game is wrong! When you think about there isn’t a good time to yell or criticize any coach. P.S. I never said I was a good person

It's a game, we are fans and the coaches coach for money. We all say and do dumb stuff, it's human to make mistakes and grow. No need to come at each other, when we need all hands on deck as fans.

He apologized and moved on. Burno got the dub and is bringing more excitement and development to the Convo since....