(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 01:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Frankly all I care about is the MAC conference championship. I’m under no illusion that we are in the same galaxy as the P4/5.

ME TWO!

Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 01:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Frankly all I care about is the MAC conference championship. I’m under no illusion that we are in the same galaxy as the P4/5.

ME TWO!

Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

(12-18-2023 08:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 01:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Frankly all I care about is the MAC conference championship. I’m under no illusion that we are in the same galaxy as the P4/5.

ME TWO!

Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

That is a great point! P5 teams are going to have to cut out scheduling games with non P5 schools in order to pay for flying their non revenue teams all over God's creation. Greed is so powerful, it can take down a hallowed conference like the PAC 12. I've lost my faith in mankind years ago but this is still shocking.

(12-19-2023 06:55 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  ME TWO!

Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

That is a great point! P5 teams are going to have to cut out scheduling games with non P5 schools in order to pay for flying their non revenue teams all over God's creation. Greed is so powerful, it can take down a hallowed conference like the PAC 12. I've lost my faith in mankind years ago but this is still shocking.

Imagine watching Joe Burrow torch college football as a grad transfer and think that he's whats wrong with college football. Imaging watching Samson Evans setting the school record for TDs and thinking he's whats wrong with college football.

P5 Schools have not stopped scheduling G5 schools. Some conferences (the Big Ten most notably) HAVE stopped scheduling FCS schools however.

(12-19-2023 07:59 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:55 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

That is a great point! P5 teams are going to have to cut out scheduling games with non P5 schools in order to pay for flying their non revenue teams all over God's creation. Greed is so powerful, it can take down a hallowed conference like the PAC 12. I've lost my faith in mankind years ago but this is still shocking.

Imagine watching Joe Burrow torch college football as a grad transfer and think that he's whats wrong with college football. Imaging watching Samson Evans setting the school record for TDs and thinking he's whats wrong with college football.

P5 Schools have not stopped scheduling G5 schools. Some conferences (the Big Ten most notably) HAVE stopped scheduling FCS schools however.

You are an odd mix of far left hippy dippy idealism and mega right wing pseudo Gordon Gecko capitalism.

(12-19-2023 08:58 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 07:59 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:55 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

That is a great point! P5 teams are going to have to cut out scheduling games with non P5 schools in order to pay for flying their non revenue teams all over God's creation. Greed is so powerful, it can take down a hallowed conference like the PAC 12. I've lost my faith in mankind years ago but this is still shocking.

Imagine watching Joe Burrow torch college football as a grad transfer and think that he's whats wrong with college football. Imaging watching Samson Evans setting the school record for TDs and thinking he's whats wrong with college football.

P5 Schools have not stopped scheduling G5 schools. Some conferences (the Big Ten most notably) HAVE stopped scheduling FCS schools however.

You are an odd mix of far left hippy dippy idealism and mega right wing pseudo Gordon Gecko capitalism.

I'm a comedian

(12-18-2023 08:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:56 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:00 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 01:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Frankly all I care about is the MAC conference championship. I’m under no illusion that we are in the same galaxy as the P4/5.

ME TWO!

Me three. As P5 football gets more and more absurd, I enjoy MAC football more and more. P5 was crooked as hell before it became the wild west, now it is almost unwatchable for me. I'll tune in to root against U-M, but outside of that, I have only a passing interest anymore.

I hate to say it, but this transfer portal situation is diminishing my interest as well. There was ONE of the four Heisman candidates in NYC that actually was still playing for the school he originally enrolled in. Marvin Harrison Jr. only played three years of NCAA football, unlike his competitors who were on their, FIFTH or SIXTH year of college football but decided to move on from the program they chose.

I'm hoping that after the covid kids graduate there will be fewer 6 year players, therefore, fewer grad transfers. It will hopefully bring back a little stability.

Aren't the P5 schools are going to be scheduling more games against each other? If so, that'll mean less revenue for the rest of us chumps. I predict we'll see a lot of other sports getting cut at the non-P5 schools. All while the big boys can afford to fly their gymnastics and swim teams across the country for a single conference game.

Nickle I can see them scheduling more conference games once the B1G and SEC commissioners negotiate their next TV contracts. There will be much more potential $$ available due to improved league quality but I think Disney, Fox, CBS and Comcast will also demand better content as they are losing Bedlam, the Apple Cup, OSU vs Oregon, etc... OSU waxing the MAC conference champ Toledo 77-21 ain't going to cut it. My take only.

I also sincerely think that P5 non-revenue sports will form their own geographical favorable leagues to compete in. For example, look at who is the MAC in wrestling. 15 members and only five of which you would consider MAC schools. Mizzou from the SEC used to rule the MAC. I suspect the Pac-12 may not be dead with respect to the Olympic sports.

Title IX will have the final say on how many non-revenue sports are cut at those outside the "new super conferences", with the almost certain revenue decline. Will the football EMU's of the world be forced to drop to an FCS level of 63 scholarships instead of its current 85? You bring up a very thought-provoking point Nickle, who truly can predict what will happen, this is truly uncharted territory.

One thing is for sure. We can all thank Miles Brand and Mark Emmert for their abjectly feckless leadership of the NCAA for 20 years that we have today.

I don't think EMU can afford to dump athletics that make it to television. The entire concept of college is changing, and these programs actually do distance Eastern from other schools that it competes with for students. The number of FBS schools keeps growing for a reason. Schools are competing for fewer students, and even fewer who are choosing to pay for it. FBS Athletics keeps a school looking like a more legitimate choice than an Oakland, Madonna, or Adrian.

That said, I don't know where our home will be when the P5 walks off with all of the remaining money from the NCAA tournament(s) and payday games. Expect anyone outside of P5 to start cutting any sport that isn't funded by a bequest when that happens.

(12-20-2023 02:36 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I don't think EMU can afford to dump athletics that make it to television. The entire concept of college is changing, and these programs actually do distance Eastern from other schools that it competes with for students. The number of FBS schools keeps growing for a reason. Schools are competing for fewer students, and even fewer who are choosing to pay for it. FBS Athletics keeps a school looking like a more legitimate choice than an Oakland, Madonna, or Adrian.

That said, I don't know where our home will be when the P5 walks off with all of the remaining money from the NCAA tournament(s) and payday games. Expect anyone outside of P5 to start cutting any sport that isn't funded by a bequest when that happens.

Excellent post, Block_E!! …hard to say what will pan out. But I can also see things kind of staying the same. P5 will have more money, but will still want to player “lower” football programs for a couple easy wins before playing all the bona fide in conference foes.

(12-20-2023 06:05 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:36 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I don't think EMU can afford to dump athletics that make it to television. The entire concept of college is changing, and these programs actually do distance Eastern from other schools that it competes with for students. The number of FBS schools keeps growing for a reason. Schools are competing for fewer students, and even fewer who are choosing to pay for it. FBS Athletics keeps a school looking like a more legitimate choice than an Oakland, Madonna, or Adrian.

That said, I don't know where our home will be when the P5 walks off with all of the remaining money from the NCAA tournament(s) and payday games. Expect anyone outside of P5 to start cutting any sport that isn't funded by a bequest when that happens.

Excellent post, Block_E!! …hard to say what will pan out. But I can also see things kind of staying the same. P5 will have more money, but will still want to player “lower” football programs for a couple easy wins before playing all the bona fide in conference foes.

Block E makes his usual cogent points.

We are, however, in uncharted territory. Charlie Baker has already floated the proposal for "super conference" of sorts which, to me, seems inevitable. I would just hope that the league commissioners, college presidents and athletic directors of those left out are planning for such an occurrence. Wash St, Oregon St, Stanford and Cal did not.