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(12-18-2023 02:47 PM)djnva Wrote:  If we move on from Jones, within 24 hours you will see tweets from the 3 big time recruits that they have re-opened their recruitment.

Jones is going to get a chance to get them to sign and then he's gonna get a chance to coach them.

Let them walk!
I'm not willing to waste another year of my life watching mediocre to bad basketball.
There is one proven facet to this- Jones has proven he is not the coach to get ODU back to prominence.
Rolling the dice on another year because some recruits look good is foolish.

Sunk cost fallacy. Don't throw good money after bad. We have enough of a sample size to see what we have - recruits or no recruits.

(12-19-2023 08:27 AM)webster Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 02:47 PM)djnva Wrote:  If we move on from Jones, within 24 hours you will see tweets from the 3 big time recruits that they have re-opened their recruitment.

Jones is going to get a chance to get them to sign and then he's gonna get a chance to coach them.

Let them walk!
I'm not willing to waste another year of my life watching mediocre to bad basketball.
There is one proven facet to this- Jones has proven he is not the coach to get ODU back to prominence.
Rolling the dice on another year because some recruits look good is foolish.

The only reason they are coming here is the assistant coach, that JJ brought in recruited them. I really don’t think Jones recruits, anymore. I was under the impression that they had 3 full time assistant coaches. Now I see 4.

Im not going to argue against Jones coaching next year.

But, the thought process isn't.... well, we cant win next year because all we have is 3 freshman. Its can you win with:

Allette, Ceaser, Imo

Jenkins, Ware, Diggs, Baker

Blakney, Odiahi, Pounds, Lanthan


I think that is a legitimate roster. I understand the opinion to blow it up and start over. I do think we are fooling ourselves thinking if we change coaches that the players will stay. I also understand the viewpoint of changing coaches and letting the chips fall where they may.

(12-19-2023 04:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im not going to argue against Jones coaching next year.

But, the thought process isn't.... well, we cant win next year because all we have is 3 freshman. Its can you win with:

Allette, Ceaser, Imo

Jenkins, Ware, Diggs, Baker

Blakney, Odiahi, Pounds, Lanthan


I think that is a legitimate roster. I understand the opinion to blow it up and start over. I do think we are fooling ourselves thinking if we change coaches that the players will stay. I also understand the viewpoint of changing coaches and letting the chips fall where they may.

So here is the issue. There is a big uptick in recruiting. That ultimately makes the roster better. If you have a coach that cannot coach them, what is the point? If we keep him for next year, what in the world would push us to move on from him the following year when Brooks brings in more good players? That is a vicious cycle that makes me a little sick to my stomach.

(12-19-2023 04:24 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 04:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im not going to argue against Jones coaching next year.

But, the thought process isn't.... well, we cant win next year because all we have is 3 freshman. Its can you win with:

Allette, Ceaser, Imo

Jenkins, Ware, Diggs, Baker

Blakney, Odiahi, Pounds, Lanthan


I think that is a legitimate roster. I understand the opinion to blow it up and start over. I do think we are fooling ourselves thinking if we change coaches that the players will stay. I also understand the viewpoint of changing coaches and letting the chips fall where they may.

So here is the issue. There is a big uptick in recruiting. That ultimately makes the roster better. If you have a coach that cannot coach them, what is the point? If we keep him for next year, what in the world would push us to move on from him the following year when Brooks brings in more good players? That is a vicious cycle that makes me a little sick to my stomach.

Also didn't we hear last year how good this recruiting class was with Allette.

Besides, counting on our freshmen to come back next year is a dubious proposition. We may just as easily be welcoming essentially a whole new team next year.

Jones destroys more talent than he coaches up. Get rid of him immediately after our first round tourney exit.

I feel fully confident in saying Allette won't be back next year.

(12-19-2023 07:26 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Besides, counting on our freshmen to come back next year is a dubious proposition. We may just as easily be welcoming essentially a whole new team next year.

Jones destroys more talent than he coaches up. Get rid of him immediately after our first round tourney exit.

I feel fully confident in saying Allette won't be back next year.

I think Allette will be back next year because his brother is here, but you are correct on everything else. We have to move on regardless of what happens with the roster. There are definitely dreamers that want to see him be successful when it is truly pissing in the wind. Good players don't equal good results if a coach can't get the to buy into what he is teaching.

In the 10+ years Jones has been here, we have had decent to good talent. We have even recruited some excellent 3 point shooters. We have absolutely zero to show for it. Every year, we have talked, this is the year we will be pretty good, then boom, terrible results. Again, this year. There is truly one common denominator, Jones. The game has passed him by. For whatever reason, he tears these young men down, they never recover. Whether it’s fear or his way or the highway, I don’t know. I just know, they are pretty good before they arrive, then they completely fall apart. It truly is very sad.

(12-19-2023 09:08 PM)RoanokeMonarch Wrote:  In the 10+ years Jones has been here, we have had decent to good talent. We have even recruited some excellent 3 point shooters. We have absolutely zero to show for it. Every year, we have talked, this is the year we will be pretty good, then boom, terrible results. Again, this year. There is truly one common denominator, Jones. The game has passed him by. For whatever reason, he tears these young men down, they never recover. Whether it’s fear or his way or the highway, I don’t know. I just know, they are pretty good before they arrive, then they completely fall apart. It truly is very sad.

I thought this thread was about Drew. We know about Jones, let’s move on to the coach we need to bring ODU back. Also the 4 star is playing so well, as a freshman he will take the money. I understand stand about his brother but he will see very little playing time under Jones.

(12-19-2023 04:24 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 04:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im not going to argue against Jones coaching next year.

But, the thought process isn't.... well, we cant win next year because all we have is 3 freshman. Its can you win with:

Allette, Ceaser, Imo

Jenkins, Ware, Diggs, Baker

Blakney, Odiahi, Pounds, Lanthan


I think that is a legitimate roster. I understand the opinion to blow it up and start over. I do think we are fooling ourselves thinking if we change coaches that the players will stay. I also understand the viewpoint of changing coaches and letting the chips fall where they may.

So here is the issue. There is a big uptick in recruiting. That ultimately makes the roster better. If you have a coach that cannot coach them, what is the point? If we keep him for next year, what in the world would push us to move on from him the following year when Brooks brings in more good players? That is a vicious cycle that makes me a little sick to my stomach.

The flip side of this is maybe we get lucky, or are able to offer enough NIL to keep a lot of the players without Jones and have a new coach starting off with decent talent.

Or.

Maybe after this disaster of a year all the good players leave if JJ returns anyway and we are just starting over with a bunch of freshman next year and suck again and all those talented freshman leave before they are really good anyway... This is probably the most likely scenario.

(12-18-2023 03:01 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  They are all signed.

I could be wrong but NLI’s can be broken if coach leaves.


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